Why were cavan savaged on the sunday game for their style of football. We scored more from play. We played with three inside as opposed to two. We had seven scorers and scored 15 points against a div one semi finalist. Do brolly or mcstay even watch the games anymore?

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 25/05/2015 21:12:59    1728376

Supermon, we are a bit reliant on Conor but I agree it's overplayed. When he was closely watched in the 2013 Ulster final, Kieran Hughes stepped up. Against Kildare last year it was McGuinness who did the most damage from play. Jack McCarron is another promising forward who will score, only for his injury he would have featured a lot in the league I'd imagine.

Due to our style of play and the way we set up, it's rare we'll have 2 or 3 forwards scoring 4/5+ points a game. But I do think we have a spread of players who can knock over one or two a game and supplement the main scorer, who will often be McManus due to his quality. Like I said before, just because McManus is in the top tier of forwards it doesn't mean our other players can't kick a ball. It's probably more an issue for if/when we get back to the business end of the championship and face the bigger teams, but that's getting way ahead of things.

Personally I think our biggest problem is midfield. If we had a big, dominant midfielder there then we could leave Kieran Hughes on the square where he'd do damage along with McManus. As it is, we're having to bring him out, which leaves us lighter inside.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 25/05/2015 21:19:18    1728378

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1728376 Why were cavan savaged on the sunday game for their style of football. We scored more from play. We played with three inside as opposed to two. We had seven scorers and scored 15 points against a div one semi finalist. Do brolly or mcstay even watch the games anymore?

I totally agree with you on this.

Joe Brolly chats some rubbish at times, he seems to develop pre-conceived Idea of what teams are like and spouts that for a year or two.
And in the case of Cavan, this pre-conceived Idea has blinded him from what is happening on the pitch.

I predicted Cavan would scalp Monaghan, and they should have had they converted those last couple of 45's.

I thought it was a very Impressive performance by Cavan, and this game finally showed some of the promise their years of underage success has been building towards. Bare in mind that Monaghan have All Ireland ambitions this season, and this shows the magnitude of Cavan's performance.

They lacked Championship experience, which cost them in the end. But they showed they have the making of a superb team.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 25/05/2015 21:35:21    1728389

Totally agree patk.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 26/05/2015 09:20:50    1728421

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1728376 Why were cavan savaged on the sunday game for their style of football. We scored more from play. We played with three inside as opposed to two. We had seven scorers and scored 15 points against a div one semi finalist. Do brolly or mcstay even watch the games anymore?
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Of course they don't, they arrive with pre-conceived notions and are loathe to be proven wrong, where's the objectivity that analysts are meant to bring to the table?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 26/05/2015 09:35:03    1728426

I'm convinced Pat Spillane watched Monaghan play Kerry in 2007 and hasn't watched us since.
The reason, I meet him after the game at a function and he was rightly critical of some of the stuff we had done and how we should have taken the win but were too scared etc etc etc.

I thought it was fair comment.

However, every single time he has spoken about us since he trots out the same rubbish. Over and over.
We've changed massively from 2007, yet he seems to have formed an opinion that day and is refusing to budge from it.

bigfrankt (Monaghan) - Posts: 123 - 26/05/2015 09:49:02    1728433

RTE need to seriously consider where they are going with their coverage. Its not even funny anymore. I thought Jim McGuinness wrote an excellent article on the issue in the Irish Times today.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 26/05/2015 09:49:38    1728434

Decent game of football with experience telling in the end.
Monaghan will be relieved and delighted to get over a good Cavan team who with a bit of luck could have stolen at least a draw.

I think Monaghan will improve but they would not want to take Fermanagh for granted int he semi I expect to be a dog fight of a game...


so Antrim lads I think fermanagh will beat you easily!

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 26/05/2015 10:07:38    1728438

Rte lads are stuck in past and desperate to seem relevant they sound like Giles on the soccer. Dont know any of the players names bar mackie mckiernan so they turn the conversation back to the old days of boxing mouths and aimless kick. Even thomas o Se. If its not tyrone or his new love monaghan he just churns out the same cliches as brolly.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 27/05/2015 15:41:30    1729153

Brilliant article in the Examiner today:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/new-position-needed-on-line-ups-333297.html

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9147 - 28/05/2015 11:06:04    1729369

An interesting read, I would agree with a lot. In the article he dismisses Mone as ineffectual, but he scored a monster point in second half. And in a game where a point made the difference, I'd say he was the right man, in the right place at the right time. Can't be more effective than that. A player might not be as influential in all matches but I once heard Dick Clerkin say in an article, you can always run and always tackle. Also Darragh O'Se's article in the times yesterday which detailed a play made by Karl O'Connell highlights that he just needed to be a part of the system at play. A white shirt covering a certain zone. I'd say in terms of the overall system, Mone was more than effectual.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 28/05/2015 11:59:15    1729397

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1729369 Brilliant article in the Examiner today:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/new-position-needed-on-line-ups-333297.html

Nail on head!

I generally don't watch the sunday game analysis/punditry as I get really embarrassed that a fool like me is much more clued in than the legendary past players being paid full time to know this stuff.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 28/05/2015 12:01:21    1729400

Great article.

It's not often you see proper sports journalism or analysis anymore.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13713 - 28/05/2015 12:34:33    1729427

That is actually a throwback to another time when sports writing was of a higher quality. Cavan shot themselves in the foot in the first half by giving away so many scorable frees and we were lucky to be only two behind at half time given we had been outplayed for large parts. Cavan did us a favour going four points in front with twenty minutes to go looking back as we had no choice but to go for it then when we still had time on our side. If Cavan improve the discipline in the tackle and play like they did against us they will make the quarter finals.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1802 - 28/05/2015 13:03:55    1729450

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Terrible stuff so far. Unfortunately the ref has decided that it's all about him today. How this man gets to ref intercounty games is unbelievable.

I think he's gotten most things right so far to be fair.

Possibly could have given Cavan a penalty but it was a hard call. He's been spot on for everything else imo.

Both teams have been ildisciplined.

Plenty of soft frees....I didnt cop anyone in the ground who was happy with the referee to be honest. Plenty of soft frees given to both sides

A few factors cost Cavan....Firstly they havent got a player in the forward line at the level of Conor McManus, we dont have the cop on to manufacture frees the way he did also....Dont get me wrong, hes a class act but he manufactured some handy frees

Secondly, while Martin Dunne done well when he came on, why was a half back sacrificed for a corner forward when they were leading by 4?

And Lyng for Martin Reilly....he offered nothing....the game was set up for McKeever as an impact sub

Crash Bang Wallop (None) - Posts: 268 - 28/05/2015 13:41:13    1729467

25/05/2015 21:12:59
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1728376 Why were cavan savaged on the sunday game for their style of football. We scored more from play. We played with three inside as opposed to two. We had seven scorers and scored 15 points against a div one semi finalist. Do brolly or mcstay even watch the games anymore?

Of course they don't watch the games, not with an open mind anyway. Sure how could they trot out the same old cliches if they took every single game on its own merits. Don't feel bad though, its the same for every county. If Dublin win well on Sunday it will be because of money, size of squad and a professional set up. If they don't win well or lose it will be because they believed their own hype, don't have natural footballers and don't have the bottle of a Donegal or Kerry. No matter what happens it wouldn't be down to anything Longford do. You could write the script for the show now.
My only hope for Cavan now is that they take the qualifiers seriously. They have a decent squad and were very close last Sunday. Not sure which side of the qualifiers they are on but given a decent draw they could well make it to the quarters with a full squad available.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 28/05/2015 13:45:36    1729471

I agree, I think that the cavan monaghan game was a very good one. It might not have been a classic, but it is the middle of may ffs. I think that expectations are unrealistic. What about the other games in the other provinces so far? If it wernt for the ulster championship, there would be no competition until the beginning of august anywhere else. This is a fact.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 28/05/2015 14:16:37    1729486

Not sure if this was posted already but good Malachy CLerkin article from last week on Cavan Monaghan rivalry

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/cavan-and-monaghan-a-bitter-rivalry-dug-deep-into-the-land-1.2222439

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 28/05/2015 17:35:03    1729648

Supermon - I know it's sacrilege to say anything bad about Dessie, but I think what he was trying to say is that Dessie was having one of his quieter days in his original role, it was only when Monaghan threw off the shackles as they had to chase the game that he became more involved, that the Cavan tactics had pushed some of Monaghans most influential players to the fringes of the game to that point.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 28/05/2015 18:00:17    1729671