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Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 21/05/2015 08:41:36    1726313

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Ditto Clare Hurlers in the 90's. When someone outside of the 2 or 3 big traditional powers start dominating they tend to get abused by all and sundry.

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 21/05/2015 09:43:38    1726333

Can I ask ye a question lads is the sledging and cynical behaviour of ulster counties down to the troubles? If the answer is yes then why are the next generation of Tyrone footballers still at it if they would have been born around the time of the goodfriday agreement and would not have seen the bad days that their people before them would have seen.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/05/2015 10:16:28    1726345

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1726345 Can I ask ye a question lads is the sledging and cynical behaviour of ulster counties down to the troubles? If the answer is yes then why are the next generation of Tyrone footballers still at it if they would have been born around the time of the goodfriday agreement and would not have seen the bad days that their people before them would have seen.

What's the explanation for your own countys sledging and cynical behaviour?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12121 - 21/05/2015 10:41:09    1726355

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Ha ha, sure she was asking for it.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 21/05/2015 10:57:07    1726368

Can I ask ye a question lads is the sledging and cynical behaviour of ulster counties down to the troubles? If the answer is yes then why are the next generation of Tyrone footballers still at it if they would have been born around the time of the goodfriday agreement and would not have seen the bad days that their people before them would have seen.

If the answer is Yes then what is the excuse for the other 3 Provinces? I believe that you will see this in any Province which is as competitive as Ulster is and we have seen this in the other Provinces when there were more than one or two powerhouses in them. If I thought this was a problem unique to Ulster then it would actually make a good study for some quack to see what makes us tick differently or why we are wired in a way to brawl and abuse the other well mannered and traditional Provinces but as its not a unique problem then it would be a waste of someones time and someones money carrying out such a study. Would probably be a better study to see what has made the other Provinces have such a disdain towards Ulster.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 21/05/2015 11:01:08    1726372

The GAA must be a vehicle to undermine partitionism not reinforce it.Of course there is
bias in the West Brit southern media but also in the Northern media.In the Irish News
Championship booklet regarding Tipperary football prospects for the year"if the county
can get over their u21 disappointment (and digest some of those sour grapes) theyre well
placed to cause the kind of waves they did last season when they almost beat Cork in
Munster semi-final and nearly made the All Ireland quarter finals".

Southern gaels should remember the sacrifices made by gaels in the north to keep the game
alive in the midst of British oppression.I always feel oppressed living in the North with British
symbolism everywhere, the six counties are occupied by a foreign nation.Northern gaels should
accept that the All Ireland's won by Armagh,Tyrone and Donegal in 2012 were won ugly so to
speak and has been a major contributer to the decline in the quality of gaelic football.But
perhaps they could argue the ends justify the means???There was genuine warmth/respect
in the south for the Ulster sides Down,Donegal and Derry that won with style in the 90s so it
is assumed that it is the style of play they want changed???At the end of the day were all Irish
and every county/province should respect one another.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1618 - 21/05/2015 11:10:37    1726382

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KingdomBoy1
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1726345 Can I ask ye a question lads is the sledging and cynical behaviour of ulster counties down to the troubles? If the answer is yes then why are the next generation of Tyrone footballers still at it if they would have been born around the time of the goodfriday agreement and would not have seen the bad days that their people before them would have seen.

What's the explanation for your own countys sledging and cynical behaviour?

The Cork lads think they have the answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXY7WkX7aOo

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 21/05/2015 11:18:29    1726389

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The GAA must be a vehicle to undermine partitionism not reinforce it.Of course there is bias in the West Brit southern media but also in the Northern media.In the Irish News Championship booklet regarding Tipperary football prospects for the year"if the county can get over their u21 disappointment (and digest some of those sour grapes) theyre well placed to cause the kind of waves they did last season when they almost beat Cork in Munster semi-final and nearly made the All Ireland quarter finals".

Southern gaels should remember the sacrifices made by gaels in the north to keep the game alive in the midst of British oppression.I always feel oppressed living in the North with British symbolism everywhere, the six counties are occupied by a foreign nation.Northern gaels should
accept that the All Ireland's won by Armagh,Tyrone and Donegal in 2012 were won ugly so to speak and has been a major contributer to the decline in the quality of gaelic football.But perhaps they could argue the ends justify the means???There was genuine warmth/respect in the south for the Ulster sides Down,Donegal and Derry that won with style in the 90s so it is assumed that it is the style of play they want changed???At the end of the day were all Irish and every county/province should respect one another.

+1

I always feel that the sacrifices that Northern Gaels make to play our games are far greater than those of anyone else, given the continued hostility towards gaelic games and the downright intimidation tactics by some extremists in the loyalist community. It is deeply admirable that Ulster GAA people have kept football, at least, as strong as it currently is.

However, IMHO there does tend to be a tendency in some quarters to see any criticism of Ulster football as a slur or as being motivated by some inherent bias or prejudice. Sometimes this is true, but sometimes it's an easy out. I remember meeting a Tyrone fella carping about Free State refs after the 2013 All-Ireland semi-final, until I pointed out to him that a systemic bias was unlikely given all Tyrone had won in the previous decade or so.

In my relatively short life as a Mayo fan I have been mocked, abused, threatened and belittled for my county allegiances. There are probably many people from other counties with similar stories to tell; some people just have a gutter mentality.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 21/05/2015 13:37:51    1726524

Naysayer after all your guff in here and the U-21 final thread where you laugh at anyone over the age of 12 being affected by sledging tis very amusing to see you in the thread about the Donegal minor telling us that tis terrible altogether, has to stop and suggesting the Tyrone lad(s) must have some sort of mental illness. Has it slowly dawned on you that Tipps u-21 might have been subjected to something a little more sinister than what you were hearing at your u-12 feile competition?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 22/05/2015 09:07:47    1726892

Soma can I start by saying I am sick sore and tired of you thinly veiled attacks on all things Ulster and your direct attempts to slander me - I only commented once on this whole Forum yet this morning you are still trying to bait me.

But since you have attacked I must be given the opportunity to defend.

Firstly at no point have I ever said that verbal's or sledging was in any way acceptable - in fact I have said at times it is not cool etc - my stance has more been one of you learn to ignore that sort of cr*p and you get on with it. In relation to Tipp I said I felt that they were making an issue because defeat was still raw but this was on the basis of verbals and sledging being something that I witnessed and experienced from a young age and learned to ignore. It happens in school yards up and down the country in different forms and as kids grow up they learn to cope with different people situations etc.

Yesterdays allegations takes the thing to another level altogether and I did say that which I felt verbal abuse could be used as motivation or ignored that this stuff was disgusting and needed to be called out every time. If this indeed is what Tipp U21s were faced with then we need the Tipp management team to come out and tell us that was the case rather than people's minds being left to come up with their own versions and then I will comment accordingly.

I can do nothing about your vendetta/ prejudice against all things Ulster including using said thread yesterday to get digs in at Tyrone, McMenamin, Cavanagh, Jordan, but I would ask you to please stop misrepresenting me and my words. Are you on here early this morning to make comment or are you on here to hound me?

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 22/05/2015 09:54:01    1726908

The point is Naysayer that instead of posters coming on here claiming southern bias/west brit media bias/southern crybabies/sore losers etc every time the despicable behaviour of their own county is criticised, it would be better for the game itself if people took an objective view and reflected on whether there is a problem that needs to be addressed. If you think there is no link between the sledging in the U-21 game and what the 2 lads (Donegal minor manager apparently said there were 2 involved) done on Sunday then you are incredibly naiive. I stand by everything I have said in the other thread regarding the link between what a senior team does and what underage players will copy. That's the last I have to say on this.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 22/05/2015 10:19:07    1726919

naysayer ignore him, add him to the ever growing list of blue shirts to be found on here recently!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 22/05/2015 10:37:46    1726930