TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 13135

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ben, then how come it wasn't happening in ulster in the early 90s when they had 4 all Ireland winners in a row with 3 different teams? It was more competitive then than it is now...

The Master - How come this WAS happening in the 90s? Two traditional teams playing the game the way should be played. As I remember it started when a Meath player made a personal remark to a Mayo player. Could that be sledging in THE NINETIES by TWO NON ULSTER TEAMS... I need to sit down with the shock...

Bit confused as how Ulster team brought this kind of behaviour into the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBnWAMf5DNQ

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 248 - 19/05/2015 16:03:02    1725647

Hopefully everybody will get his rubbish out of their system early and we can all just enjoy the championship. Honest to God, sometimes this board is one of the most embarrassing places on the internet, and that's quite a feat.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12133 - 19/05/2015 16:03:09    1725648

DoireCityFC

I'll ask a straight question and you can give a straight answer if you like. Are you proud of the way Derry played against Dublin in the National league?

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1140 - 19/05/2015 16:03:54    1725649

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 13135

1725629
ben, then how come it wasn't happening in ulster in the early 90s when they had 4 all Ireland winners in a row with 3 different teams? It was more competitive then than it is now...


Nah the culprits then was Meath and Mayo.......... I vaguely remember a big bust up between these two teams in non other an AI final....

Ulster football was tough then just like it is now, just the rest of the provinces have gone soft..........

ben1977 (Donegal) - Posts: 364 - 19/05/2015 16:05:48    1725650

Doire, as I mentioned earlier, and I was careful to mention it (not that you seem to have noticed anyway) it happens nationwide, but it does seem to be a bigger problem in Ulster.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/05/2015 16:06:15    1725651

Liamwalkinstown
County: Dublin
Posts: 6027

1725591 Simple enough question, which I am sure will cause all sorts of offence, but I think in light of recent events, between the ultra defensive styles of football, the sledging that has been taken to a new level, the fighting the viciousness that while present nationwide at times seems endemic in Ulster football (by which I mean the 9 counties, not 6), I think its a fair question to ask.

I don't think there should be any offence in asking the question, and to answer your question.............No.

Ulster football has its own traditions, and has been traditionally a very competitive and a very physical province for a long long time.

Of course it sometimes boils over, and we get some unsavoury Incidents at club games or the like. A relative from Carlow who attended a football blitz style event in Armagh a few years back, said he was gobsmacked when a brawl broke out amongst 2 Ulster sides. He couldn't believe it, especially as fans, parents or both were involved. He said he had never seen anything to that scale before then at a GAA match.

However these are not regular events or occurrences, and I think in general that there is no harm in a good physical match. I don't like the verbal abuse part of it, as that is not sporting in any shape or form.

Tactically, I believe the ultra defensive style is evolving naturally, and will take care of itself.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 19/05/2015 16:12:38    1725659

Simple enough question, which I am sure will cause all sorts of offence, but I think in light of recent events, between the ultra defensive styles of football, the sledging that has been taken to a new level, the fighting the viciousness that while present nationwide at times seems endemic in Ulster football (by which I mean the 9 counties, not 6), I think its a fair question to ask.
Sean Cav more or less said today its so bad he fears for the safety of a player with a mental illness, Benny Coulter said 2 years back that he hated Ulster football and much preferred the qualifiers to the provincial championship etc.

Its a fair question and a fair debate. Has Ulster football been a negative effect on Gaelic Football in recent years

Sorry lads, for all the great players that have emerged from the province, I do believe that the game as a whole has suffered as a result of Ulster tactics and behaviour

I don't know why I'm bothering but here goes:

1. seems endemic in Ulster football (by which I mean the 9 counties, not 6) Eh duh, of course you mean all 9 counties, why would you even consider excluding 3 when there are 9 in in the province. I wouldn't say "Leinster, and by that I mean all 12 counties"
2. Ultra defensive styles of football Countless posts on this forum pointing out that Ulster counties are not the only ones playing defensive football so how is being defensive an "Ulster tactic" when most counties are at it? And what's wrong with being defensive, you should play to your strengths and if defensive football is a vehicle to do that then so be it. It comes across from many on the posts here that you want teams who don't have as good a footballers to roll over and just let the traditional big guns win, never mind trying out tactics that might level the playing field a wee bit
3. The sledging that has been taken to a new level- Why do you assume this is because of Ulster football? There's already a thread on this where posters from all over the country are stating this has been going on for years in their clubs and counties so why do lay the blame for this at the hands of Ulster? Cos a few of the poor Tipp lads said after the game that a Tyrone player knew their girlfriend's name? So this one U-21 Tyrone footballer is now suddenly representative of the whole province? The biggest mouthpiece in the game plays for Kerry, he's notorious for his sledging and has been for years but still, let's blame the Ulster teams
4. The fighting the viciousness- Again, why is this being levelled at Ulster teams? Plenty of counties down through the years have been hard hitting and "vicious" and guess what, they're not from Ulster. There were rows last year between Kerry and Mayo but was this somehow Ulster's fault? Just because the media didn't jump on it and hype it up doesn't mean it didn't happen. You can't deny that things that happen in Ulster football are blown way out of proportion compared to other counties.

This forum would absolutely sicken ya the amount of drivel written in it recently. People can't form their own opinions and are only too happy to jump on bandwagons or make ill informed statements. The don't want to listen to anyone else's arguments and admit that, god forbid, they might have been wrong about something or looking at it from a completely biased angle.

And some of you are quick to slag the Ulster posters for sticking together and the "us against them" mentality but how can it not be that case with threads like this? You have just laid the blame for a lot of rubbish at the door of Ulster but tell me this, how have Antrim contributed to all these ills? Or Fermanagh? Or Monaghan- are you going to try and lump them in with all the above? Down have always played attacking football so are you including them in this post?

I think I'll give Hoganstand a miss for a while- "You cannot hang out with negative people and expect to live a positive life"

turkeyplucker (UK) - Posts: 137 - 19/05/2015 16:16:52    1725662

Ha, so make a fair and accurate observation and you have a 'visceral hatred'.
Get off your soapbox, your point didn't stand up to scrutiny. Make a better one if you like, but spare me the 'you are just out to get us' routine.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 19/05/2015 16:19:37    1725663

Doire, earlier on youre saying that a bit of name calling shouldnt bother us.
But youre clearly stressed out at people saying negative things about Ulster.
Its ironic like.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/05/2015 16:21:07    1725664

Soft southerners. Get over it.

MourneArmy (Down) - Posts: 1787 - 19/05/2015 16:22:37    1725667

Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 9589

1725648 Hopefully everybody will get his rubbish out of their system early and we can all just enjoy the championship. Honest to God, sometimes this board is one of the most embarrassing places on the internet, and that's quite a feat.
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+1

And sadly Breff, from posters who really should know better after all these years.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 19/05/2015 16:22:47    1725668

Master - if Donegal played in a nice cushy province like yours , I think it might be different . I don't know where your visceral hatred of all things Ulster comes from . Mayo are no angels either , there were plenty of verbals dished out by your players when you's hammered us in 2013 , not to mention the embarrassing fist pumps at every second . I won't even begin with your supporters !
Nice cushy province? ...what are you on about? In terms of winning championships, Connacht has been just as competitive as Ulster in last 10 years: 4/5 Connacht counties have won a Championship since 2005 whereas only 4/9 in Ulster...

mayo_hurler (Mayo) - Posts: 113 - 19/05/2015 16:23:24    1725671

DoireCityFC

I'll ask a straight question and you can give a straight answer if you like. Are you proud of the way Derry played against Dublin in the National league?

No not this year but mainly as we had no focus in the league unlike the previous year when we beat them 1-16 to 0-13. It was just a bad day for both teams. A perfect storm. Derry isnt a cyncial team like others (some ulster included) Just have to look at our club peformance this year and our decent scoring at county level to show we play open football 80% of the time like our 2-15 against mayo with us down to 14 at HT last year or the 2-15 against cork this year. Ulster football is branded as slow, dirty and low scoring. stats paint a different pic

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/05/2015 16:35:29    1725679

Thats more of it Mournearmy.
"Get over it" you say.
Well when people have a go at Ulsters apparent negativity, why dont you just "get over it".
Soft southerners he says.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/05/2015 16:35:31    1725680

Lol ☺☺. This thread really made me laugh after a hard day's work. Championship 2015 is alive and well, threads about the great province of Ulster keeps me entertained. To answer the question honestly I am sure most Ulster gaels will not find it offensive just hilarious. Cavanagh is spot on but Ulster gaels are always honest and acknowledge negatives that occur as well positives for that matter. The usual labelling of one province is actually the real problem. Across the country we have biting incidents, fans invading a pitch during play time, a player completly taken out of the 2009 final, a referee just been assaulted in Carlow. But sure all of this is the fault of Ulster even though not an Ulster man within a mile lol. Only in Ireland, thank you for the giggle.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 19/05/2015 16:36:11    1725681

Doire, earlier on youre saying that a bit of name calling shouldnt bother us.
But youre clearly stressed out at people saying negative things about Ulster.
Its ironic like.

A bit of competivenss on the pitch is different than tarnishing an entire province with 2.2 million people with the same brush in my mind but that could be my nordie brain talking, damaged after taking a few hard hits and some abuse on the picth;)

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/05/2015 16:38:50    1725683

Ah but sure we have been told by countless nordies that name calling etc is perfectly alright. Why would this thread bother anyone??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/05/2015 16:40:21    1725684

Sam1884 The length of your post and the fact that you went to the trouble of highlighting other instances of abuse (and it is a nationwide problem) would suggest that you take the issue more seriously than youre letting on.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/05/2015 16:45:30    1725688

Look ill be honest, both as a player and supporter i actually enjoyed and still enjoy a bit of a dust up, and what i mean by that is a bit of pushing a few swings etc, i do find the sledging to be unmanly and disgusting, come up throw a punch at me but don't dare speak about my family etc, they aren't ones on the pitch, i am take, me on, that was my philosophy and i think that should be how it is.
The funny thing about all this is the likes of Tyrone (in particular) and Donegal lads still whinge about Meath of 80s and 90s. Yet condone sledging as a manly thing. Defies logic.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/05/2015 16:52:39    1725692

Joncarter ☺☺ as I said it give me a great giggle lol ☺. Keep these threads coming please.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 19/05/2015 17:11:58    1725706