Did you watch the coverage of the game on BBC TRS? McConville and McHugh spent quite a while discussing what both teams wore when arriving at the ground, and what this meant in terms of how both would approach the game, before briefly discussing the impact McBrearty could have on the match. It was bizarre stuff but it seems many in Ulster take what teams wear when arriving at the ground very seriously.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 19/05/2015 16:10:38    1725658

No I was at the match . And how are we as supporters supposed to do anything that they say on TV ? What's that got to do with anything . Soma, why all the spiteful Ulstet comments ?? What county are you from ?? Did a northern chick turn you down one night ??

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 19/05/2015 16:30:05    1725674

Pleased to hear you were at the game TRS, its the best place to be on championship day. I also understand why you wouldn't bother to record the game and watch it back, seeing the 2nd 35 minutes once would be enough times for anyone. While I know nothing about your situation, id suggest McConville and McHugh have probably got closer links to the game than you, and both of them felt it was worth spending some time discussing what the 2 sets of players wore on arrival at the ground and what it would mean in how the players would approach the game. Clearly they felt it was of importance, which is why I say Ulster teams seem to place more focus on the mental side of the game than most others, with sledging/sports psychologists/wardrobe choices etc. Despite all the criticism of RTE, and fair enough maybe they don't go into enough detail on the shoes and shirts teams wear when arriving at the ground, I thought the presenter on BBC Sunday was as negative about the game as any in the 'southern media'.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 19/05/2015 16:51:44    1725691

You shouldnt take all the stick too badly, northeners. Nearly all southerners are secretely/openly afraid of nordies, and some of them will take the opportunity to get as many digs as possible in from the safety of their keyboards. Id take it as a compliment

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 19/05/2015 16:57:50    1725696

Verbals have always been in the game. It's not nice, but it has always been there. Should it be eradicated? Probably. Should it be a priority? No, it shouldn't. The refereeing in gaelic football especially is totally confused right now. It's a very poor standard. Referees are caught between trying to enforce the rules, and trying to help make the game a spectacle for those in attendance. That's not their job! Enforce the rules please. Even the "All New and Super Black Card" is a miserable failure. Why? Selective application.

Referees are there to apply the rules. All the rules. All of the times. If the game is good to watch or not is dependent on the two teams involved. If referees can get to the stage where they can referee properly all the time, then let's do something about the verbals. But until then, let the referees concentrate on what they're there for, refereeing properly.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 19/05/2015 17:11:54    1725705

Guys Im not trying to rise anyone. Just making a few broad legitimate points. You guys might need to realise that GAA members in the Republic arent necessarily republicans. We tend to recognise that theres two sides to every story in Northern Ireland. This has flown way off topic yet my argument that there ought to be many more people from the unionist community involved in the GAA hasnt been addressed by any of you.
I wont labour the point but Partitian was essential for the Island of Ireland and the alternative wasnt an option.

BanTarleton (Clare) - Posts: 181 - 19/05/2015 17:18:13    1725711

Tomsmith here

Sledging is a term used in cricket to describe the practice whereby some players seek to gain an advantage by insulting or verbally intimidating the opposing

I never knew what it was called until I had it googled for me to-day.
Now that this type of conduct has been identified I feel it is terrible, demeaning, inappropriate and G U B U.

As I posed the question in my first post where do the players association stand on this matter
I now publicly call via Hoganstand for any player association to come out on where the stand on this type of conduct

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3861 - 19/05/2015 17:22:58    1725718

The only tripe on here lad is the stuff you're countymen regularly post up. Every second thread you have fella's like Ulsterman insulting the ***** out of everyone else and closing the ranks anytime anything legitimate is said about the carry on of some Ulster sides. it be more in yer line to actually put out a competitive team then rally around the Tyrone's of this world to defelect yer own failing at this level...

I see you've managed to bring up Kerry's All Ireland too, I was wondering how long it would be for that got thrown in, I completely forgot about how we cheated our way to the final...Grow up!

As for Star, ya he's mouthy, mouthy at referees when his being pulled and dragged all around the place and is never given a free and yes he lets out a roar when he gets a goal and sticks it to the fella who spent all game hanging of him. That's oldschool stuff like we talked about and its a world away from the disgusting, personal, sick and cowardly crap that's coming into the game; fella's hurling insults and opponents girlfriend's, sisters, mothers, partners etc. If you can't see a difference between both then for the love of God shut your trap and don't contribute to this discussion again...

well Herm I can't speak on behalf of anyone else but if you want to talk legit then maybe you'll have an excuse as to why Kerry were statistically by far the worst at fouling in division one this year, ahead of those 'negative' Ulster teams you love to hate. You can put the boot into my county all you want, I do it plenty of times myself, I know were we are and I dont take the criticism personally unlike you.

You obviously don't like to hear your county was as dirty or as defensive as any team last year north or south but I suggest you get real! I never said Kerry cheated but they employed a very defensive system and bathed in all its glory despite looking down at other teams that do similar, pot/kettle!!

One thing I'll agree with is the insults that occur are a disgrace and shouldnt happen whoever is at it, but dont even go there about it being some sort of northern disease, theirs plenty of sectarian nonsense spouted about as well which you conveniently left out of your list. My problem with the likes of you on here is the ignorance towards an entire province when you cant even see your own county doing the same things. Catch a grip of reality or quit contributing nonsense yourself lad!

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 19/05/2015 17:36:51    1725730

Yeah well thats a two way street ban.
You cant blame nationalists for a lack of Unionist participation, Lots of Unionists dont play GAA because they want nothing to do with irish culture.
Only last week a Unionist councillor refused an invite to a GAA match.
Theres not much can be done in the face of such closed mindedness.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/05/2015 17:47:03    1725735

I never had it growing up but then again as one poster said it was always the townies who engaged in it, the country teams didn't, they got on with the game. Its up to the players as to what they want to do and perhaps its down to what you grew up with, my dad would never have tolerated it on the pitch from me and I won't from my kids.
Regardless of if it works or not, it just lowers the image of the game and at a time when you are trying to convince parents to send their kids to play Gaelic it just does not help.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 19/05/2015 17:50:24    1725739

Give us a buzz when we get back to talking about football or hurling .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/05/2015 17:51:27    1725742

Are you still fighting the civil war, BanTarlon, nearly 100 years later? get over it. BTW you dont reresent southern GAA members, you represent yourself, so use "I", not "we"

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 19/05/2015 17:55:07    1725744

maybe you'll have an excuse as to why Kerry were statistically by far the worst at fouling in division one this year, ahead of those 'negative' Ulster teams you love to hate

I've no excuse for that if the statistics bear that out so be it, it was a mixed campaign at best for the Kingdom in the League but what has fouling got to do with this topic? I'm talking about the disgraceful personal verbals that have become so common that it is a premeditated tactic by teams like Tyrone to stick one of their players onto the oppositions key player and spend the game roaring in his ear.

You obviously don't like to hear your county was as dirty or as defensive as any team last year north or south but I suggest you get real! I never said Kerry cheated but they employed a very defensive system and bathed in all its glory despite looking down at other teams that do similar, pot/kettle!!

We played defensively in the All Ireland final because that was the only way to counteract what Donegal would throw at us. If you can seriously watch back the Munster final, Q-Final or 2 Semi finals and say Kerry were defensive then come on here and tell me how they were...

Please also give me examples of when Kerry were 'as dirty...as any team last year'.


One thing I'll agree with is the insults that occur are a disgrace and shouldnt happen whoever is at it

I'm glad we both agree its a major issue because it is and needs to be stopped.

but dont even go there about it being some sort of northern disease, theirs plenty of sectarian nonsense spouted about as well which you conveniently left out of your list.

A lot of the issues being raised about the way Gaelic football is going have arisen at a period when teams from Ulster have been successful and I don't think its a coincidence. I think there is a culture in Ulster GAA which, due to the success of Ulster teams at a national level in the past decade, is getting more and more scrutiny at national level, as it should in my opinion. As for sectarianism well that's every bit as vile and should never be condoned.


My problem with the likes of you on here is the ignorance towards an entire province when you cant even see your own county doing the same things

Think that's the same point I was making about the likes of you! Next time I hear crap from poster from Ulster on here about Munster football I'll bear this in mind...

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 19/05/2015 18:26:05    1725755

And the award for fisherman of the year goes to ....




Ban from Clare . Well done, honestly i haven't seen so much running since a band started playing and flags waving. Hehehehe.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/05/2015 19:38:13    1725788

We played defensively in the All Ireland final because that was the only way to counteract what Donegal would throw at us.
so your admitting K

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 19/05/2015 20:00:35    1725797

BanTarleton
County: Clare
Posts: 44

1725711
Guys Im not trying to rise anyone. Just making a few broad legitimate points. You guys might need to realise that GAA members in the Republic arent necessarily republicans. We tend to recognise that theres two sides to every story in Northern Ireland. This has flown way off topic yet my argument that there ought to be many more people from the unionist community involved in the GAA hasnt been addressed by any of you.
I wont labour the point but Partitian was essential for the Island of Ireland and the alternative wasnt an option.

Says the boy that started talking politics on this thread today.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 19/05/2015 20:11:28    1725805

BanTarleton interesting choice of name especially given your jib

Ban Tarleton was the fourth child of John Tarleton, the former lord mayor of Liverpool, and a money lender, merchant and slave trader.

After completing his education at Oxford, Tarleton became the most feared officer in the British army during the War for American Independence, memorialized in portraits by Sir Joshua Reynolds and Thomas Gainsborough, as well as on film in The Patriot (2000), starring Mel Gibson, as the basis for the character Colonel William Tavington. The treatment of Patriot prisoners by Tarleton and his Loyalist troops in the Southern Campaign led to the coining of a phrase that came to define British brutality during of the last years of the War for Independence: "Tarleton's Quarter."

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 19/05/2015 20:39:29    1725816

We played defensively in the All Ireland final because that was the only way to counteract what Donegal would throw at us.
so you'll admit Kerry did what they had to do to get the win regardless of the millions watching it live? ok, then put yourself in the shoes of a manager of a team with less talent than the best. Of course he's going to set up defensively to keep his team in the contest. Very selective criticism of these tactics but frankly i find them more appealing to watch than Dublin blitzing Carlow by playing 'the traditional way'.

Please also give me examples of when Kerry were 'as dirty...as any team last year'.
the last five minutes of the semi final were as unsavoury as it got last year but the headlines went to the football that was played and rightly so, there was good football played on Sunday there but how many threads have we got on that?

A lot of the issues being raised about the way Gaelic football is going have arisen at a period when teams from Ulster have been successful and I don't think its a coincidence. I think there is a culture in Ulster GAA which, due to the success of Ulster teams at a national level in the past decade, is getting more and more scrutiny at national level, as it should in my opinion
I'm not sure what that's meant to mean but it sounds as though you think Ulster teams can't have success without there being something tainted about it. Each of the three sides that were successful in that period played by the rules and created some gripping encounters, the 2005 final was as good a football final as I've seen. There are more competitive contests in Ulster than any other province and without Ulster the provincial championships would be a non runner. Just like hurling without the Munster championship.

Think that's the same point I was making about the likes of you! Next time I hear crap from poster from Ulster on here about Munster football I'll bear this in mind...
well I guess you've left yourself hanging on a dartboard now for the start of the Munster championship and people that have listened to your choice of words about Ulster football might be quick to highlight the similarities in your own part of the world. But dont take it as an insult as some might call you a hypocrite

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 19/05/2015 20:41:46    1725819

We will have to agree to disagree SaffonDon, to be honest you havn't really addressed anything I've said and you seem more concerned with tainting me as some Nordie hater then having a proper debate...

For the record never said Ulster teams don't deserve success they achieved, Tyrone 2003-2008 was a great side as was Armagh 2002 and Jim's Donegal, all I'm saying is many Ulster sides have brought a culture of football with them to the national stage, this extrme 'sledging' being an example, and I think the sport is poorer for it.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 19/05/2015 21:11:41    1725837

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 7418

1725788
And the award for fisherman of the year goes to ....




Ban from Clare . Well done, honestly i haven't seen so much running since a band started playing and flags waving. Hehehehe.

Im delighted for you RD, thats probably the closest youll ever get to having a real friend

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 19/05/2015 21:52:40    1725861