Ive no problem admitting it.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 12/05/2015 16:27:50    1722864

Teams should relish taking on the Dubs in Croke Park rather than having a psychological disadvantage before the game even starts.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 12/05/2015 16:32:10    1722870

KY4SAM2015
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Most teams have a big advantage when playing at home in any sport around the world. Thats a fact so the dubs do have an advantage.

Could you say exactly how that advantage manifests itself - does it make them run faster, kick straighter, pass more accurately, foul less often, do they get more frees - I would be interested in knowing the statistics around what advantages a home team have in terms of playing any game over the opposition.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 12/05/2015 16:48:48    1722884

GreenandRed
Teams should relish taking on the Dubs in Croke Park rather than having a psychological disadvantage before the game even starts.

That is fair enough, as long as the dubs get to relish playing kerry in kilarney, tyrone in omagh, mayo in castlebar, donegal in balybofey, etc etc in equally big games an equal amount of times. It isnt the relishing of being the underdog that people are unhappy about, it is never not being in that position.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/05/2015 16:50:58    1722886

Just like Kerry playing in the Gaelic Grounds (a ground they are familiar with) gives them an advantage over Mayo (who never play there).

I agree with you..what did you want us to do about it??? refuse to play?? lol

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 12/05/2015 16:55:53    1722888

It was crucial a few years ago when Dublin won the all ireland in 2011 with some very average players and the help of a referee on several occasions, and lads like Paul Flynn and Dermot Connolly hadnt really emerged yet. Now they are so good they could play in the pits of hell and still demolish anybody.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 12/05/2015 17:06:25    1722899

Daith,is that what yere calling yere county grounds now?I mean,i know Newbridge is bad but....

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 12/05/2015 17:09:35    1722901

History is being re-written on hoganstand forum re: Dublin AI champions in 2011 - they were deserving champions without a doubt - not some average defensive team that got advantage from the ref. shame on you all for belittling their achievement. i hope no one does this to you.

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 12/05/2015 17:16:23    1722905

Could you say exactly how that advantage manifests itself - does it make them run faster, kick straighter, pass more accurately, foul less often, do they get more frees - I would be interested in knowing the statistics around what advantages a home team have in terms of playing any game over the opposition.

No of course it wouldnt make them better in the physical/skill aspects of the game you mentioned but home advantage is more of a psychological advantage that the home team is said to have over the visiting team as a result of playing in familiar facilities and in front of supportive fans.
Take look at the premier league table from this year: http://www.espnfc.com/barclays-premier-league/23/table It shows only one team crystal palace have a better away record then at home. Not sure of the stats in other sports but im sure alot of them would have similiar results.

However the likes of kerry and mayo have played in croker a good number of times over the years so maybe GAA might not be comparible with other sports in all aspects of home advantage. Also its by far the best stadium in the country and i think nobody disagrees with playing the semis and all ireland final there but just would like to see leinster and maybe all ireland quarter finals moved around a bit.

Even when i used play for my club i always preferred playing at home.And id be very surprised if we didnt have a better home record.Same for my old Clondalkin schools team.I dont know the stats obviously,but i presume the vast vast majority of clubs around the country,if not all, prefer playing at home.Same with county teams.If offered the choice,would they choose to play where their more comfortable,or go away to the oppositions ground?What are the stats for home and away inter county league games?I know Dublin havnt beaten Cork on leeside in 20 years.We beat them regularly at home.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 12/05/2015 17:53:35    1722919

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History is being re-written on hoganstand forum re: Dublin AI champions in 2011 - they were deserving champions without a doubt - not some average defensive team that got advantage from the ref. shame on you all for belittling their achievement. i hope no one does this to you.


How is it being re-written?? People were saying at the time that they got favourable treatment. Just look Kevin McMaemamin's goal - he took 11 steps but it was ignored by Joe McQuillan.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 12/05/2015 18:05:08    1722922

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I think the spring series will change quite soon. Even with Dublin on a good foot attendances have flatlined in the lesser games somewhat. I see no valid reason why Dublin should play the likes of Derry in Croke Park when Parnell will suffice.

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It won't suffice. That's the problem. I think there were 14,000 season ticket holders in 2013, all guaranteed a ticket for league games. Now add on the Parnell Park passes and I am guessing that the number wouldn't be much short of 20,000.

I shouldn't imagine that that number has decreased much since then so you are still looking at a commitment from the DCB to dish out a number of tickets twice the capacity of Parnell Park.

It just doesn't add up. As long as the season ticket scheme is in place, Dublin will play in Croke Park.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 12/05/2015 18:49:56    1722936

Fine rebuke Joxer. Your correct, i stand my original point down.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 12/05/2015 19:23:48    1722954

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Fine rebuke Joxer. Your correct, i stand my original point down.
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No worries. I've pointed this out on a number of threads and I think the Leinster Council/DCB have backed themselves into a corner on this. As much as I would love to see us back home in the Neller, instead of the cold, wet, atmosphereless cavern that is Croke Park in winter, it isn't going to happen any time soon.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 12/05/2015 20:30:29    1722977

Interesting listening to GAA championship preview on Newstalk tonight.Responding the question of whether Dublin have an advantage by playing in Croke Park,both Anthony Moyles and David Brady said it was a big advantage.Moyles said it would be worth a few points to any team playing Dubs at home.He referenced Dubs scraping past Longford by 2 points in Pearse Park,back in 2006 - the last time we hit the road in Leinster.Brady went even further-he said that 81% of HOME teams won in the league(not sure did he say this year or last).He also said Croke Park is home to us.Joe Molloy,the presenter,also agreed it was an advantage.How could it not be?

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 12/05/2015 20:47:01    1722983

Home Advantage: The County Boards vote Dublin into Croke Park for financial reasons. The GAA has also encouraged the overselling of season tickets/Parnell passes as it's also financially attractive. Basically, bums on seats creates revenue for everyone. It's business 101 Dublin play in Croke Park.

The Hill: When Dublin weren't winning nobody cared. Until the final, hill tickets can be bought in local Supervalu's. If people want a hill ticket, buy one.

Home vs Away games: I remember playing for my school years ago, our pitch was desperate. We played all games away and 75% of them. Better than when we played at home.

All Ireland Final 2013: Dublin fans were outnumbered by Mayo fans.

Navan, Tullamore, Portlaoise: infrastructure is poor around the grounds, can't accommodate any more than 5-10k without severe access issues

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 12/05/2015 20:53:18    1722985

everybody knows it is an advantage..if people dont believe that then they are clearly biased..obviously dublin are still going to win but it would be worth an awful lot to towns who get to host a match and would also make games closer...take longfords 2 games v dublin in 2005 and 2006 as the difference..i imagine the majority of people dubs included enjoyed the 2006 game a hell of a lot more

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 12/05/2015 21:14:48    1722995

cuederocket
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Interesting listening to GAA championship preview on Newstalk tonight.Responding the question of whether Dublin have an advantage by playing in Croke Park,both Anthony Moyles and David Brady said it was a big advantage.Moyles said it would be worth a few points to any team playing Dubs at home.He referenced Dubs scraping past Longford by 2 points in Pearse Park,back in 2006 - the last time we hit the road in Leinster.Brady went even further-he said that 81% of HOME teams won in the league(not sure did he say this year or last).He also said Croke Park is home to us.Joe Molloy,the presenter,also agreed it was an advantage.How could it not be?

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What games are they referring to, round 1 of LSFC? All others would be in Croker anyway. HQ has been the venue for semi onwards in the championship for some time now. I think Dublin's away record in the league this year casts some doubt over how many points Croke Park is worth to the team. I actually think this team enjoys being on the road. Their record in the league away these past couple of years has been excellent. It's all hypothetical of course. Dublin support would likely equal if not outnumber the home team support in a championship fixture. Not forgetting of course the season ticket factor and need to accommodate maybe 20K Dublin season and Parnell Pass ticket holders in round 1 of LSFC. Does Brady think that a fixtures like that would yield 81% win ratios for the home team?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 12/05/2015 21:27:10    1723003

they were able to accomodate them in 2006..why not now?..if some fans cant get a ticket then tough...other counties have the same issues all the time in relation to getting to games..thats presuming dublin will bring over 20,000 to an away game also

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 12/05/2015 21:47:37    1723013

Joxer,it is a simple question.Do we have an advantage playing all our home league and championship games in HQ?Forget all the reasons why.Forget the excuses.The spin.The waffle.If you,like hill16,dont think so and dont believe in home advantage being beneficial,so be it.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 12/05/2015 21:53:43    1723016