Poppinpoints
I don't think that would be fair at all
Imagine if you bought a ticket full price and the person who was sitting beside you got a ticket handed to him for nothing just to fill a seat for TV viewers I'd imagine you would feel aggrieved. That only punishes people who are true supporters

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/04/2015 20:36:52    1718704

28/04/2015 14:06:26 keeper7
The Heineken Cup has been carved up & redrawn to suit the English & French teams. Next year's final will probably be in France & if 2 English teams qualified for it it probably wouldn't sell out either. English to be fair for a Paris final would sell out an 80k ground..
28/04/2015 15:47:46 MesAmis
Limited support in that there isn't enough supporters willing to go to the biggest showcase event.
If there weren't limited supports then it would sell out regardless of the three countries the final could be played in.
A quick search shows that attendances in the finals of 2014, 2013, 2011, 2010, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2000 were not sell outs. Some very respectable attendances from what I can see though. Could be other factors though but it does seem common enough. European Competition are only in existence since 95. Hard to be dismissive of a competition not selling out in initial years. Many of those finals were close to sell outs. 00 was 90% full. Many of those finals were well over 90-95% full So as good as sell outs. With only 3 weeks max to sell tickets in terms of fans who are competing and most of whom have to travel abroad, book flights/accommodation I don't see things as being a problem.
How is there only 3 countries a final could be played in?????
ormond
Eh you cant totally knock rugby here. It involved two French teams. French are renowned for not travelling. Look at the French league in rugby and you will see often even many of the teams don't travel well/not put huge effort into away games
If there was anything other than two French teams in the final this wouldn't have happened. GAA is also a sport in one country, a relatively small country so cant be compared
28/04/2015 16:12:03 hill16no1man
the point is not to knock rugby but rather to show that people on here are quick to lay into the gaa for not filling croke park for league games and so on when you consider all them marketing rugby gets and they have to offer free tickets to half fill their premier competition final then surely credit where credit is due should be shown to gaa supporters
you tell us constently how big a competition the champions cup is in the scale of sport And has been mentioned here before. The French sporting public are not great travellers especially in rugby at club level. Huge mental prep etc for home games and very different for games away from home ground. What marketing rugby gets. If there was an English/Irish/Welsh/Scottish side in this final there wouldnt be any free tickets or any of this malarkey as tickets would have sold but theres two French teams involved....
When have I criticised gaa supporters?
28/04/2015 16:18:04 hill16no1man
janesboro the point is people continually moan on here about croke park not being filled for games well you have an 82 thousand stadium holding the final of european rugbys premier competition and the best they are hoping for will be 50 thousand and thats down to giving away free tickets to actually get that. you wont hear many rugby supporters complain about twickenham being half full for this game like we have people quick to do so for league finals in croke park when you consider that no marketing whatsoever goes into the national league final and most managers and players knock the competition we should be proud of how strong the attendances are fair points but why are you knocking rugby(which you have plenty of previous) to promote hurling/gaelic/gaa. the sole reason this has occurred is two French teams have qualified for a final outside of france. French fans dont travel. There has been poor crowds at all French finals before most notably 2003 in dublin

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/04/2015 20:48:38    1718708

28/04/2015 16:18:42 joncarter
ormo, its all very well and good saying that French fans are renowned for not travelling, but come on, its the european final. Surely to God you must admit that 5000 (if thats an accurate figure) is poor.
Besides, its not like the game is a 6 hour plane trip away. France to england? Not that far. the name is Ormond. Don't troll by calling me anything else
Eh france is a big bloody country and its over 800km and 1300km from Clermont and Toulon to London... its not exactly dover to Calais...
28/04/2015 16:22:22 hill16no1man
i also remeber in 2011 the europa league final was held in the aviva stadium
and on the day in dublin city they were handing out free tickets for the game to try and fill the ground
i think they even fell 5 or 6 thousand short of doing so finals in cities involving two teams not from the country where game is and where fans have dozen/two dozen games in a season to go to will struggle to pay for all costs surrounding finals......

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/04/2015 20:53:19    1718709

28/04/2015 20:36:52
hill16no1man
Poppinpoints
I don't think that would be fair at all
Imagine if you bought a ticket full price and the person who was sitting beside you got a ticket handed to him for nothing just to fill a seat for TV viewers I'd imagine you would feel aggrieved. That only punishes people who are true supporters how exactly do you define what a true supporter is? Should people have name badges with the type of supporter they are printed on the badge.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/04/2015 20:54:30    1718712

ormond

thats just making excuses that the french arent great travellers
you consistently go on about how a connaught v zebre match is big news to all the other people in the country
as its in the same competition
well here we have european rugbys biggest competition and all the other clubs/provinces have no interest in it seems
as even giving away tickets they dont think they will get close to filling the ground.
i didnt say you criticised gaa supporters I said people on here are quick to criticise attendances in the gaa
never said you said anything at all

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/04/2015 21:01:04    1718717

ormond

dont be so paranoid im not setting out to knock rugby and I already stated this
im pointing out that twickenham which is almost identical to croke park in this situation with capacity
is a perfect comparison and this is todays news about the champions cup final
you wont hear negative press or posting about this situation in rugby so why does the same not apply when judging gaa
im trying to highlight that people should take more pride in how well supported the gaa is

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/04/2015 21:06:12    1718719

ormond
how exactly do you define what a true supporter is? Should people have name badges with the type of supporter they are printed on the badge.

dont be so childish
you know full well i mean people who will go to games hail rain or snow and will always buy a ticket
they should not be peanlised for getting their tickets in advance for a game
and have people who had no intention of buying one get one handed to them and sit beside them
thats not a fair situation at all and would put people off buying them

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/04/2015 21:09:38    1718722

ormond
finals in cities involving two teams not from the country where game is and where fans have dozen/two dozen games in a season to go to will struggle to pay for all costs surrounding finals......


i cannot win you had a go at me for my opening post containg rugby
now when i post a soccer equivalent you have a go at that too
also I dont agree with that point of teams not from the country
we had an american football league game in croker last august
both sides were not even from this continent and yet attracted an attendance of 50 thousand
with no free tickets handed

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/04/2015 21:12:21    1718724

28/04/2015 21:01:04 hill16no1man
Ormond thats just making excuses that the french arent great travellers
you consistently go on about how a connaught v zebre match is big news to all the other people in the country
as its in the same competition
well here we have european rugbys biggest competition and all the other clubs/provinces have no interest in it seems
as even giving away tickets they dont think they will get close to filling the ground.
i didnt say you criticised gaa supporters I said people on here are quick to criticise attendances in the gaa
never said you said anything at all French not being great travellers isn't an excuse its reality. Look at the French league and history of rugby in france. You are showing complete lack of knowledge in rugby. all other sides don't have an interest in going as wait for it.... their teams are not playing....
28/04/2015 21:06:12 hill16no1man
Ormond dont be so paranoid im not setting out to knock rugby and I already stated this
im pointing out that twickenham which is almost identical to croke park in this situation with capacity
is a perfect comparison and this is todays news about the champions cup final
you wont hear negative press or posting about this situation in rugby so why does the same not apply when judging gaa
im trying to highlight that people should take more pride in how well supported the gaa is that is something to do with the GAA and their journalists not anything to do with rugby. Just because the GAA are so concerned with others thinking doesn't mean rugby has to be like that
ormond
how exactly do you define what a true supporter is? Should people have name badges with the type of supporter they are printed on the badge.
28/04/2015 21:09:38 hill16no1man
dont be so childish you know full well i mean people who will go to games hail rain or snow and will always buy a ticket
they should not be peanlised for getting their tickets in advance for a game
and have people who had no intention of buying one get one handed to them and sit beside them
thats not a fair situation at all and would put people off buying them How in gods name am I being childish. I have only attended one home Munster game this season. I am not a true supporter with your logic. People are not being penalised. Majority of people who will get discounted tickets will probably have bought one in most cases. Life isn't fair. What are you going to do about that...
ormond
finals in cities involving two teams not from the country where game is and where fans have dozen/two dozen games in a season to go to will struggle to pay for all costs surrounding finals......
28/04/2015 21:12:21 hill16no1man
i cannot win you had a go at me for my opening post containg rugby now when i post a soccer equivalent you have a go at that too
also I dont agree with that point of teams not from the country we had an american football league game in croker last august
both sides were not even from this continent and yet attracted an attendance of 50 thousand
with no free tickets handed A gimmick game and 000s upon 000s of those at that game were Americans. The French don't travel. This is the main reason the tickets for free/cheap are doing the rounds.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/04/2015 21:20:24    1718732

England is the birthplace of Rugby Union. Hard to understand why so few England supporters are interested in attending what we are told is the most important club game in Europe. It doesn't bode well for the Rugby Union World Cup?

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 28/04/2015 21:51:16    1718762

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 9572

European Competition are only in existence since 95. Hard to be dismissive of a competition not selling out in initial years. Many of those finals were close to sell outs. 00 was 90% full. Many of those finals were well over 90-95% full So as good as sell outs. With only 3 weeks max to sell tickets in terms of fans who are competing and most of whom have to travel abroad, book flights/accommodation I don't see things as being a problem.
How is there only 3 countries a final could be played in?????

The Rugby Cup final has only ever been held in one of three countries from what I can see. UK, Ireland or France? Unless I'm missing something.

I only ever said that it was quite common for the Rugby Cup not to sell out. You said I was "wrong, wrong, wrong" etc. However as you've seen it is very common for the Rugby Cup not to sell out. That's all I've said and you seem to have at least admitted as much above.

It isn't being dismissive to state the truth about a competition's attendances, as I said it has gotten some very respectable attendances considering the limitations it faces.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 29/04/2015 08:25:41    1718770

ormond
French not being great travellers isn't an excuse its reality. Look at the French league and history of rugby in france. You are showing complete lack of knowledge in rugby. all other sides don't have an interest in going as wait for it.... their teams are not playing....


funny you should say that other sides dont have an interest because their teams arent playing
yet remember a while back I said about connaught v zebre taking centre stage on news bulletins to give us team news
above a whole weekend of gaa action not getting any mention
and you told us all that connaught team news is of big interest to all the provinces because they play in the same competition
it matters hugely to them you told us
now it seems you are doing a u turn here when it comes to the biggest game in club rugby you are telling us
not only do irish teams but teams from the uk have no interest in tis game because they arent playing themselves.
bit pot kettle now dont you think

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/04/2015 11:05:30    1718826

ormond
How in gods name am I being childish. I have only attended one home Munster game this season. I am not a true supporter with your logic. People are not being penalised. Majority of people who will get discounted tickets will probably have bought one in most cases. Life isn't fair. What are you going to do about that...

you were being childish by saying should supporters have a badge with true supporter on it for all to see!!!
people are being penalised for buying their ticket in advance and on time
while others who had no interest in going are being handed a free ticket to make it look good for tv
nobody said life was fair and thers not much we can do to determine that
but there is a clear and easy way to mke tickets fair
MAKE EVERYBODY BUY THEM EQUALLYA
ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE IT EXISTS FOR EVERY OTHER MATCH!!!!!

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/04/2015 11:09:08    1718829

ormond
A gimmick game and 000s upon 000s of those at that game were Americans. The French don't travel. This is the main reason the tickets for free/cheap are doing the rounds.

oh I have to laugh at this
you call an american football league opener a gimmick game haha
yet when i call a challenege match with a fancy title called guinness series match exactly what it is a challenge game
you nearly go into palputations
seriously you take the biscuit sometimes
there was 20 thousand americans travelled over for that game a gimmick as you like to call it
yet only 5 thousand french will go next door to london to see the biggest competition in club rugby final
that says more about rugbys popularity than you think!!!

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/04/2015 11:12:41    1718832

28/04/2015 21:51:16 mediaman
England is the birthplace of Rugby Union. Hard to understand why so few England supporters are interested in attending what we are told is the most important club game in Europe. It doesn't bode well for the Rugby Union World Cup? World Cup tickets selling well. Perhaps English supporters are more thinking of saving towards world cup tickets, its end of long season(fans have 15+ home games unlike any inter county gaa supporter)
ormondbannerman
European Competition are only in existence since 95. Hard to be dismissive of a competition not selling out in initial years. Many of those finals were close to sell outs. 00 was 90% full. Many of those finals were well over 90-95% full So as good as sell outs. With only 3 weeks max to sell tickets in terms of fans who are competing and most of whom have to travel abroad, book flights/accommodation I don't see things as being a problem.
How is there only 3 countries a final could be played in?????
29/04/2015 08:25:41 MesAmis
The Rugby Cup final has only ever been held in one of three countries from what I can see. UK, Ireland or France? Unless I'm missing something. I only ever said that it was quite common for the Rugby Cup not to sell out. You said I was "wrong, wrong, wrong" etc. However as you've seen it is very common for the Rugby Cup not to sell out. That's all I've said and you seem to have at least admitted as much above. It isn't being dismissive to state the truth about a competition's attendances, as I said it has gotten some very respectable attendances considering the limitations it faces. UK in rugby isn't a country. There is more than one country in the UK. I didn't just say wrong wrong wrong. If you read my posts you would clearly see I answered very fairly about the sttendances.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/04/2015 12:58:23    1718883

Isnt this a GAA website?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 29/04/2015 13:06:21    1718889

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 9579

UK in rugby isn't a country. There is more than one country in the UK. I didn't just say wrong wrong wrong. If you read my posts you would clearly see I answered very fairly about the sttendances.

The UK is one country, sovereign state etc. I hope you realise that the rugby association doesn't actually decide upon which countries are sovereign states!

You said I was "wrong wrong wrong" in saying that the Rugby Cup didn't usually sell out its final because of its limitations, you then preceded to explain to me why the Rugby Cup Finals didn't usually sell out by outlining some of those limitations in support. It was a strange enough response in fairness to you.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 29/04/2015 13:35:05    1718907

Ormond, I know France is "a big bloody country", but its still not that far from England that an attendance of 5000 can be excused.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 29/04/2015 19:12:57    1719064

29/04/2015 19:12:57
joncarter
Ormond, I know France is "a big bloody country", but its still not that far from England that an attendance of 5000 can be excused. there will be about 50'000 at the game which for two French sides playing outside france is quite good considering the French don't travel
it said somewhere in the independent that they expect 50000 at the game http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/04/2015 19:45:23    1719075

Actually attendances in GAA and most other sports in Ireland do not hold up well compared to other countries , we do not have a culture of going to sport events week in week out , just look at league attendances compared to championship.

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 29/04/2015 19:48:56    1719076