Most Ulster counties would love to be in the boots of Cork or Kerry every year. That's no disrespect to Tipp who look like making the leap to be premier team or Limerick who were very unfortunate not to have won a few munster championships. But it must be very weary for Ulster teams. Its completely unfair. I'd hate to be in the Ulster championship. Administrator of this site should have a referendum for change.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 09/04/2015 10:21:16    1712308

Winner of Ulster should go straight into All Ireland semi final runner up straight into Qtr final. It's a football province.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 09/04/2015 10:38:56    1712317

something confuses me.. And yes im a cork man defending kerry.

With all this talk about kerry winning ulster and their easy route to the latter stages..

Then why is it that Ulster teams have so few all-irelands between them.. If they have such a seasoned group of counties why havent they won more..
Forget the back door go back to the old knock out structure they would have played an average of 5 matches to win sam why havent they won more..

All kerry can do is play whats in front of them they didnt set up the system but lads lets be fair to win ulster and win sam would take a max of 9 games in five months ??

Kerry are the best simply because kerry are the best..
In the same way Kilkenny are the best because they are the best..

Do the munster hurling teams whine because their provencial championship is so much harder than Leinster
Any of five teams can win munster every year

Reality is this.. with out having a huge population kerry continually turn out competitive teams that will always have a shout in august and september.. The always produce class players and in the last few years have shown you that they can mix it any way you want it.. Defensive attacking physical they got it all and with that they still possess some of the most beautiful players..

Remember they won sam last year with out their best player !!!!
How many teams could do that..

The whole Ulster v's the rest is getting boring .. There isnt an adgenda against you and reality is over the years they are just not good enough to consistantly challenge for sam its as simple at that.. Never mind this whole puke defensive tactic talk.. that was adopted to try and give northern teams the ability to compete with the kerrys and dubs of this world.. Its god awful ugly and horrible to watch but the reality is if the northern teams could successfully compete there would have been no need for it in the first place

Dont worry neither are cork but unlike my northern brothers im comfortable with that and will still show up to cheer them on in the hope that they catch kerry on a bad day.. the scars of 2009 will live long with me but on that day Kerry were simply a better team

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 09/04/2015 11:38:48    1712343

Munster may be becoming more challenging, Clare & Tipp both put up very credible performances both in the Munster Championship and the Qualifiers last year for which they got scarce recognition and both retained Division 3 status this year with Tipp being the best of the rest after Fermanagh & Armagh. Conciveably Kerry could have it harder than the Dubs, Leinster is a broken down crock at the minute and no point sugar coating it any other way. For next years league we will have one Leinster team in Division 1 (Dublin), two in Division 2 (Meath & Laois) and the rest between Divisions 3 & 4 which gives a pretty accurate picture of the province overall. Fact is the only team that may give Dublin a challenge in Leinster is Meath, Kildare & Laois look far from happy and to be honest if we can't beat Wicklow in Navan and the winners of the Louth/Westmeath/Wexford ties (one division 3 and two Division 4 sides) then we have no business even thinking about Dublin. It has not been Kerry's fault that Munster was a two horse race for so long, if they were in another province I doubt their tally of All Irelands would be any less, but you could easily rename this thread to highlight Dublin's handy run to the semi finals, and that is no easy thing for me to admit but sometimes the truth hurts.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 09/04/2015 11:47:01    1712348

crikey
County: Australia
Posts: 30

1712317 Winner of Ulster should go straight into All Ireland semi final runner up straight into Qtr final. It's a football province.

Logic obviously a bit thin on the ground sport .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 09/04/2015 11:49:06    1712351

Set up a three tier championship, and teams would be seeded based on how they finished in that years league. It would make the league more important, and with all the top teams together for the championship, it would provide excitement for the championship.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1655 - 09/04/2015 12:39:11    1712380

Obviously the whole province thing needs to be looked at.
I would prefer random groups like a champions league.

But for constant dissing of Munster teams...that Kerrry have it so easy.
For many a year Cork has been the 2nd best team in the country when Kerry gewt through.

Some years the other 4 teams Clare, Limerick, Tipp and Waterford are poor but generally they are competitive and give Kerry/Cork a good year and I fancy a breakthrough by one of them in the next 5 years.

Ok the Munster championship is not as competitve as Ulster but just remember that these 4 teams have consistently beaten teams from other provinces even from the might of Ulster in the qualifiers.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 09/04/2015 12:40:32    1712382

Ulster at present is stacked with teams from Division one and two. Harder games, more injuries, greater chance of suspension. For 100 years Kerry just had to win 3 games to win the All Ireland. Dublin play all their games in Croke Park. Bit of a joke really. Love to see Dublin or Kerry travelling up to Donegal or Tyrone for first round of a championship.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 09/04/2015 13:07:13    1712406

That is all hear say Crikey.
If Cromwell liked Connaught instead of taking a dislike @To Hell or to Connaught@ and made castlebar his headquarters Connaught could be the hub of this country these days with Dubs migrating to mayo instead of vice versa!!!

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 09/04/2015 13:26:03    1712415

I've had two bites on my fishing line a Kerry and a Dub. lol

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 09/04/2015 13:34:29    1712420

For 100 years Ulster teams only had to win 3/4 matches to win an All-Ireland also... and I would like to see the likes of Donegal & Tyrone going down to Kerry & Dublin for a first round match...

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 09/04/2015 17:54:25    1712525

Ah yeah as I said earlier in this post they got a handy all Ireland last year!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 10/04/2015 15:45:21    1712788

I'm so sick of this tripe on here the whole time. Fella's from Donegal, Antrim, Dublin and Mayo and wherever else pontificating about Munster football. What the hell do ye know about Munster football anyway, only that he have had yer arses kicked by teams from the south more times than ye have had hot dinners.

In the last decade Kerry and Cork have been All Ireland Champions while Tipperary, Limerick and Clare have all made an impact in the qualifiers and National Leagues and that's despite the huge popularity of hurling in these counties.

In the last decade Sam has not crossed the Shannon.

In the last decade Leinster has become by far the weakest province as Dublin have walked through it their year with their eyes closed. A Dublin team that still has only managed 2 All Irelands in 20m years.

Ulster is competitive yes, but only because most of them are of a similar standard. And despite all the bullishness of Ulster posters on here, only 2 sides from this province have won All Irelands in the past ten years. Is that not the same as Munster???

Spend more time worrying about your own provinces and less time writing outlandish, ill-informed and insulting tirades against the standard of Munster football please.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 10/04/2015 16:08:55    1712800

crikey
County: Australia
Posts: 34

1712420 I've had two bites on my fishing line a Kerry and a Dub. lol

34 Posts says it all , hang around long enough and you will find your bait is not as outrageous as some of the ideas that hit this site

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/04/2015 16:12:04    1712802

Nice rant hermit but your fooling nobody.Any competition that has 4 provinces of 12,9,6 & 5 counties is immediately lopsided and unfair.It is a laughable system and has been since 1884.If Tyrone and Kerry,for example,swapped provinces,i would say Tyrone would have 15 All Irelands and Kerry would have approx 20.Any fair minded posters can see the inequity in the format.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/04/2015 17:47:52    1712833

So easy? I'm 46 and Kerry have only won the All-Ireland 17 times since I was born. I shudder to think of the number of finals they lost in the same period.

14KY37 (Kerry) - Posts: 30 - 10/04/2015 18:50:10    1712851

14KY37

I feel your pain, still things can only get better, don't loose hope

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 10/04/2015 19:11:40    1712858

My 'Double 16' idea derives most AI QFlists via the Qualifiers. For those who want to keep the provs and have more open draw pairings, check out my 'Double 16' earlier in this post.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2611 - 10/04/2015 21:13:20    1712892

In the last decade Leinster has become by far the weakest province as Dublin have walked through it their year with their eyes closed. A Dublin team that still has only managed 2 All Irelands in 20m years.

And yet as soon as we win one you get gobsh1tes on here calling for Dublin to be split in two. How come ye haven't been split in two in that case? And you talk about begrudgery and bullshit !

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 11/04/2015 09:57:36    1712914

Dublin are a great team but they play all their games at home. Can you imagine say if Manchester United played all their games at home. Its not Dublin's fault. Its all got to do with $$$. The whole system needs change but it will never happen.

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 11/04/2015 11:41:44    1712938