RoyalDunne - lol , off course they would . They played four Ulster sides in the league .. Derry - Win , Donegal - win , Tyrone - draw , Monaghan - lose . It's doubtful they would win it every year .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 06/04/2015 14:58:15    1711273

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If Dublin were in Munster for all it's time , they would have more All-Ireland's IMO !


Christ! I agreed in principle with your original argument but that last comment is ludicrous!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 06/04/2015 15:09:22    1711281

Theroghtstuff are we taking the league as the perfect barometer??? Cause if we are Meath would be on par with Donegal last year due to our draw. Two different competition

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/04/2015 15:14:46    1711283

Royal dunne, you forgot to mention you were beaten by armagh and by monaghan last year in the league too. I know you beat down at home. p4 w1 d1 l2

#one result is not a fair enough mean to go by

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 06/04/2015 15:33:23    1711289

While Tyrone in the naughties (bit like Meath when we could compete with dubs) could and would have beat them same would apply to Donegal Monaghan now. But i think we all peeing against the wind, barring another Donegal upset dubs have this all ire wrapped up.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/04/2015 15:35:40    1711291

Well the fact is that Kerry have never beaten Down in th

OgraAnDun (Down) - Posts: 406 - 06/04/2015 16:22:18    1711304

Well the fact is that Kerry have never beaten Down in the championship, so as long as they avoided us in Ulster they might have a chance!

OgraAnDun (Down) - Posts: 406 - 06/04/2015 16:23:13    1711305

To the Right Stuff -
I have proposed my 'Super 24' idea here in recent days that would address the imbalance you mention.
To repeat -
1) 8 Qual Rd 1 losers get a 3rd chance versus 8 Prov SF losers in Qual Rd 2.
2) 'Super 24' = 8 Qual Rd 1 and 8 Qual Rd 2 winners join 4 Prov Final losers in 20-team Qual Rd 3; while 4 Prov Champs Play Off head-to-head.
3) 10 Rd 3 winners join 2 beaten Prov champs in 12-team Rd 4; 6 Rd 4 winners join 2 unbeaten Prov Champs in the AI QFs.

Or an as an alternative - the 16 Prov SFlists play 3 KO rounds to determine 2 AI QF berths (losers of 8, 4 & 2 to Qual Rds 2,3 & 4);
the 16 Qual Rd 1 play 4 KO rds to determine TMC champ & 1 AI QF berth(initial losers of 8 & 4 to Qual Rds 2 & 3).
Qual Rds 1, 2, 3 & 4 (above) have team quants of 16, 16, 16 & 10, with 5 Rd 4 winners completing AI QF field.

A Cork/Kerry Munster Final guarantees the winner a place in Playoff & Rd 4 (AI Last 14) and the loser a place in Rd 3 (AI Last 24).

Is this not better ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2611 - 06/04/2015 18:24:40    1711348

Same ole tripe every year.

Fact is Dublin are guaranteed 1/4 final every year. At least Kerry have to take on Cork who are also serious All Ireland contenders. It is not the end of the world if either loose but Dublin have to beat absolutely no-one in Leinster. Kildare were threatening to make a break through a few years ago but they have fallen back. There is no other county in Leinster who could give Dublin a game.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 06/04/2015 21:43:20    1711440

Put the AllIreland finalists in different provinces the following year , that would shake it up, plus a province would get rid of a dominant team for a year at least ;)

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 06/04/2015 21:59:13    1711458

When provincial champs got out in the qtrs, it's the lack of competitive games that's the blame.
When Kerry win, it's the lack of competitive games that's the blame.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 07/04/2015 10:53:17    1711509

Omahant - some very good research there TBF, my own opinion is that I'd live to give the provincials a miss entirely for a year or two and go for the champions league format . I believe the greatest days as a GAA fan are the Ulster football and Munster hurling match days - they're carnival like atmospheres however I think there would be no harm in giving the Ulster footie a chop for a year .. I like your proposal though - it's a little messy with some teams getting a third go but TBF , there wouldn't be many complaining if they lost three times .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 07/04/2015 11:04:56    1711515

I think mayo a team who have failed to win a all ire have the easiest route of all.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/04/2015 11:13:25    1711524

That's fair enough Royal Dunne , no disrespect intended but meeting London in a provincial final a few years back was a pharce really - great for the Gaels overseas alright but that was about it .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 07/04/2015 11:29:07    1711533

Oh Lord, this crap again!! What's the matter lads? Is the sight of Star bossing the parallelograms, Gooch back as if he never left, Galvin growling on the bench, Sheehan kicking from all angles, Geaney emerging as another great Kerry forward and Moran and Maher cementing there position as the best midfield in the country making ye all nervous?

Survived division one, comfortably in the end, and that's without any major input from Gooch, Galvin, O'Se, O'Mahoney, Walsh and JOD.

It will be some team that wrestles Sam away from us this summer.

Go away with your BS arguments and concentrate on your own provinces. Munster and Ulster are the only provinces to contain 2 Senior football All Ireland winning sides in the last ten years.

If Kerry have 'so easy' what's Dublin and Mayo's excuse??

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 07/04/2015 11:51:36    1711540

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1711524
I think mayo a team who have failed to win a all ire have the easiest route of all.

Really? Mayo were almost knocked out of last year's Connacht Championship by Roscommon (something that could well happen this year, going on current form). They won the Nestor Cup by margins of two points in both 2011 and 2012. The only recent year in which it's been a cakewalk was 2013.

I'd argue that the most lopsided championship at the moment is Leinster, as the other provincial championships have at either two sides of similar standing or had close games last season. When was the last time Dublin were taken to the wire in a Leinster Championship game? I don't remember any thrashings like Meath took last year in Connacht either, at least between the indigenous teams in it.

But all of this ignores that all of these arguments could be sorted in a minute if we introduced an open draw. Of course, this will never happen for a multitude of reasons.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 07/04/2015 12:59:14    1711574

The setup of the championship is unbalanced.

It should be changed.

4 matches against division 1 and 2 teams for Tyrone to enter the last 8.

1 match against division 1 and teams for Kerry or Cork to make last 8.

It also ensures most teams play the bulk of their football in the League and don't have a clue when the championship matches will be during the season.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 07/04/2015 13:02:28    1711579

royal dunne, i think the slurry your spreading on here while deflecting the real issues that meath won't mount a challenge in Leinster again this year. how many years is it now?

saddam (Mayo) - Posts: 414 - 07/04/2015 14:38:38    1711633

As I stated on another thread last week 'Kerry won a handy all Ireland last year! The referee in the replay in limerick certainly gave them anything he could and some! and then Donegal didn't turn up on Ai final day! Ah yeah a very handy ai for the Kingdom!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 07/04/2015 17:00:28    1711717

Leinster is by far the easiest province at the moment. Someone saying that Meath would beat any Connacht team in the qualifiers is ridiculous. They are miles behind Mayo, behind Roscommon and around the same level as Galway. Every province except Leinster has at least 2 competitive counties. Leinster only has Dublin.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 07/04/2015 17:32:14    1711744