Ban all Ulster teams from competitions-problem solved. They invented this crap and it will die out with them too.

kingdomfan (Kerry) - Posts: 393 - 31/03/2015 16:30:26    1709004

There are a lot of people saying that a minimum of 2-4 forwards should be kept in the opponents half at all times. What happens if his man goes forward into the opponents half? Should he not be allowed to track him back?

By the way what is wrong with football? It really does seem as if a side dares challenge the Kerrys or Dublins of this world they are told to get back into place and don't dare try it.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 31/03/2015 16:43:15    1709012

1 Short kickouts should be banned, the ball should pass the 45m line, maybe introduce the mark like Aussie rules for catches from kickouts, anyway it shows teams don't trust their midfielders when they constantly take short kickouts. 2 There should be 10 players (5 forwards 5 backs) in opposing half when a team is attacking, this would prevent swarm defences, how would you police it? Simple use the linesmen, they do damn all else in a game except waving away flies and midges. 3 once a player has the ball he is allowed 3 solos before kickpassing, the ball has to travel 20-30 metres, 3 handpasses in a row without a kickpass free to the opposition. And most importantly 4 proper refereeing courses and if refs make mistakes drop them down a grade and ref U21 or minor matches, more mistakes then drop them to U16 and so forth, give linesmen and umpires more say in decision making and make sure they are protected from abusive players and supporters, these are only small ideas but could help

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 31/03/2015 16:56:58    1709028

Yes, again you're right, players should always be focusing on how to improve their game, but taking advantage of a situation that presents itself, ie shutting down the foward going nowhere shouldn't be penalised. I'm not defending these massed defenses, they are horrible to watch, but these 'swarm' tackles occur 10 times in every game across the country, no matter what tactics a team adopts.

I can see where Derry were coming from at the weekend. I imagine they hadn't planned on having only one point coming into that game, needing a win against Dublin to keep their survival hopes alive. I guess they decided that was their best hope of getting a result, awful, but understandable.

if only one person was allowed to tackle, there would still be no space.

I played a match at the weekend, with a gale blowing down the pitch. I don't think one kickout cleared the 50.

Teams must keep 4 players in the oppostion half maybe?

m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 31/03/2015 16:57:59    1709031

I dont think that anyone has a problem with people challenging Dublin or Kerry. In fact those are the two counties that most other people enjoy seeing get beat.
It would just be nicer if the Donegals, Derrys, Tyrones of this world challenged them via an improvement in their technical ability and personal football skills, instead of just simply lamping everyone back into defence and reducing the game to its lowest form of entertainment and skill.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 31/03/2015 17:07:37    1709037

Leave football and it's rules alone . There are plenty of good games of football being played . The rules are fine . As a result of shrill, hysterical , inaccurate comment and analysis the perception has been created that all games are dominated by defensive negative tactics . That is simply untrue. Last years All-Ireland football series had eight games . Seven of the eight games were competitive . Six of them were entertaining and competitive yet everybody concentrated on the final . The three semi finals were sensational yet they are now largely ignored. The hurling All-Ireland series had six matches . Only three of those games were competitive and entertaining . The Tipp Cork semi final was a nonevent and the two quarter finals were absolutely dire . Yet this is ignored . Jarlath Burns comment after the Dublin Derry game given his position was entirely unacceptable . He should be made to answer for it . Joe Brollys assertion that practically every team plays blanket defence is ill informed nonsense . The Irish rugby team have adopted a game plan that is mind numbingly turgid yet they are not being excoriated in the manner that Gaelic Football is. Leave the game and the rules alone . Be careful what you wish fir . To change the rules you have to go to Congress and we all know the kind of clown that attends Congress.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 31/03/2015 17:09:20    1709039

Joncarter Dinegal were excellent in beating Dublin last year .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 31/03/2015 17:21:24    1709046

greengrass,as Tyrone and Derry showed,many teams can give this Dublin team trouble when they pack their defence.
donegal beat Dublin off the park last september, but they did so by reducing the game to its lowest form.
I just will never understand people like yourself going on about leaving the game alone.
as tactics and attitudes to the game changes (as has happened enormously in gaelic football) so too must the rules.
As society evolves, and attitudes change, laws change, same logic with sport.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 31/03/2015 17:27:46    1709052

greengrass, I would equate last years semi final with that of a lightning quick puncher losing a fight to a technically inferior fighter who just spent the entire fight hugging and avoiding his opponent.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 31/03/2015 17:33:34    1709056

31/03/2015 17:21:24
Greengrass
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Joncarter Dinegal were excellent in beating Dublin last year .

They were also excellent at beating Tyrone last weekend and not so much so in their game against Monaghan.
Whats you're point in relation to improving the game.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 31/03/2015 17:33:56    1709057

How about only hand passing forward? Just asking and now that ive written it ive already thought of a way it could be abused, ahh well wrote it now so ill post it. :).

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/03/2015 17:39:17    1709060

Kingdomfan - Kerry having one tough match before September every year is a bigger problem .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 31/03/2015 17:43:48    1709062

Well said, Greengrass. It's a pity that this viewpoint is rarely articulated in the media. Nobody dares to criticise hurling, while football is subject to regular and sustained largely-uninformed abuse. The football played in the two club semi finals this year was as good as any I've seen...but now it seems that football is dead!! I don't want to turn this into a hurling v football debate, but I happened to watch most of the Clare Kilkenny relegation game last Sunday. There were loads of misplaced passes, lots of dubious tackling, some awful wides...but this is never highlighted in the media. But Brolly, on the other hand, sees one bad football match and gets loads of media opportunities to air his rants.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 31/03/2015 17:50:43    1709067

gotmilk
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There are a lot of people saying that a minimum of 2-4 forwards should be kept in the opponents half at all times. What happens if his man goes forward into the opponents half? Should he not be allowed to track him back?

By the way what is wrong with football? It really does seem as if a side dares challenge the Kerrys or Dublins of this world they are told to get back into place and don't dare try it

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On the point of tracking back, teams will set themselves up to deal with that. If it's a defender pushing up then he is leaving a gap which can be exploited on the counter attack so less likely to do it. If it's a forward then he will be dealt with by his marker anyway. The theory is to stop teams moving up and down the pitch as whole units. That is what the blanket system is based on, defend as a whole, counter attack as a whole - it's zonal.

On changing the rules to suit Kerry and Dublin, if McEniff, Stevie McDonnell, Kevin Cassidy and other Ulster commentators are coming out against the blanket system then clearly the penny is dropping and this has nothing to do with appeasing the Kerry's and Dublin's of this world.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 31/03/2015 17:53:47    1709068

Is there any other sport in the world that sees so many rule changes! This is a fad, it will pass!

as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 31/03/2015 18:07:22    1709075

Joncarter your boxing analogy is nonsense . I pointed out to you that we had six very good games in last years All Ireland series under the current rules . We have had several very good games on this years league under the current rules . You ignore this . There are none so blind as those who don't wish to see .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 31/03/2015 18:10:01    1709077

Introducing the mark I think would be one way to encourage more mid to long range kick passing.
Also,teams must keep four of their players beyond the opposition 45 yard line at all times would be one suggestion to prevent blanket defence closing down all space for attacking teams.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 31/03/2015 18:20:17    1709090

Congress is there for rule changes and even new formats if people are not happy with the current championship structure.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 31/03/2015 20:33:08    1709179