Sounds like it was a good game in the promotion/relegation play-off in Owenbeg, finished 4-13 a-piece between Donegal and Tyrone AET.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 11/04/2015 19:36:31    1713104

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Very big congrats to the Kerry Hurlers. An outstanding achievement in a solid football county. They truly EARNED their promotion. I really hope they can pull off a shocker or two in 1B in 2016.

Today is a day to be savoured. The management and players are very well aware of the step up in opposition in 1B. We've a bit of history with Offaly in the league. The play-off last year. In mid 90's Kerry were very competitive in the Division 2 of 8 teams below the Division 1 of 8 teams. Kerry and Offaly had many a good battle. I remember one headline of daylight robbery when Offaly pulled off a late comeback to deny a gallant Kerry side. It'll be good to be pitting ourselves against Laois as well.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 11/04/2015 20:27:20    1713128

Congrats to kerry on the promotion.

Kinda shows the div2a teams dont need that much "protection" from the div1b giants.

Hope to see kerry slay a few next year.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 11/04/2015 21:31:21    1713152

Delighted for Kerry
You might say justice is done after winning the title and unfairly missing out last year.
Still feel for antrim though
This isn't going to do them any good.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2692 - 12/04/2015 11:20:33    1713195

Doylerwex it might be the best thing to happen to Antrim.

Laois went down 2 years ago and suddenly there was an outcry in the county,
they held a review and got every single player out the next year and made
it back up.

Antrim lost every league match, the relegation playoff and then the promotion match.
Thats not doing them any good either.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 12/04/2015 11:56:40    1713215

Yesterday is about Kerry. Congratulations on the result. Best team won on the day.
Many challenges ahead for you. Hope you get the support necessary to be successful, whatever benchmark you set yourselves.

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 290 - 12/04/2015 12:03:07    1713218

Kerry's benchmark is straightforward. Win the Christy Ring and be competing at qualifier group level. Kerry were actually dismissive of the league this year after losing the Ring final. All focus is on Ring. Lads were being tried out with a view to Championship. The Carlow victory changed the direction of our league season.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 12/04/2015 14:01:02    1713251

An amazing achievement, being born and bred in the heart of the Kingdom's hurling area in north Kerry its unbelievable to think Kerry inter-county hurling could have come so far in the last 15 years considering the fierce rivalries in our wonderful hurling championship.

But fair play to the leading hurling men and women of our county who realised if Kerry were going to reach its potential we needed to get help from outside the county and circumnavigate the problems of biased native hurling managers selecting their own men at the expense of more talented players. That long standing issue has truly now been eradicated from our inter-county teams.

The Kingdom thoroughly deserve their chance now to mix it with some of the best hurling counties in Ireland. Special congratulations to the Crotta pair of Shane Nolan and Shane Weir for their excellent displays, was great to be there to see them make history!

Maybe this is finally the black and white evidence those ignorant fools (who claim we are no better than Kilkenny are in football) need to shut their traps!

What a twelve months it has been for Gaelic games in Kerry!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 12/04/2015 14:30:37    1713263

To Legendzxix -
Congrats on the Kerry hurling promo to NHL Div 1B. I have to admit my genuine happiness for your hurling success is not as intense as my profound disappointment when losing prov and national football finals to yez :)

I think Antrim is too strong for NHL's 3rd tier though, and hurling would be better served with them staying up too.
l'd love to see my 'Treble 7' (7v7, 7 matches) implemented - Kerry, Laois & Antrim, join strong 4 of say, Tipp, Cork, KK & Galway, with these 7 avoiding each other but playing the remaining 7 in a 14-team Div 1.
One 14-team league table - after 7 rounds, top 4 to SFs - with these 4 joining 12th, 13th & the automatic promoted county - playing the other 7 mid-ranked counties in the following year's campaign.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 12/04/2015 17:10:25    1713318

I do not think that there is any doubt that Kerry going up and Antrim going down is the correct outcome but Kerry will need to learn fast as what they have achieved is a narrow victory against a really poor Antrim side who lost every game they have played this season. This is not sour grapes, this is reality, however given their geographical location if any side has factors in their favour to make strides it has to be Kerry but Kerry and Kerry alone will dictate how far they can go.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 13/04/2015 13:20:46    1713706

"Sounds like it was a good game in the promotion/relegation play-off in Owenbeg, finished 4-13 a-piece between Donegal and Tyrone AET."

Yes, 2 football counties who've made massive progress in hurling the last few years!

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 13/04/2015 13:33:45    1713715

Anyone like my 'Treble 7' idea above ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 18/04/2015 14:33:20    1715250

omahant

It's a good idea but a little too complicated for the GAA I'd say. I can't ever see something like that being implemented

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2692 - 18/04/2015 15:48:40    1715259

omahant

I don't like to run down people's suggestions, but it seems way too complicated, and I'm not sure what the point of it is. The problem we all have with the current format, is that teams are being effectively blocked from promotion, that needs to be addressed. When a team has developed to the stage where they win their division, they should be allowed (and encouraged) to step up to the next level, so they can continue to develop. But once you're in the top division, you have to be able to play everyone in there. If you don't feel ready to take on Kilkenny or Cork, you shouldn't be in 1A, if you're not ready to face Wexford or Limerick, you shouldn't be in 1B, if you're not ready to face Carlow and Westmeath, you shouldn't be in 2A, and so on. That's the point of a league, or any tiered competition, you play at your level, until you improve. The change we need to look at is allowing teams to progress better, when they do improve. I'd actually be in favor of 2 up, 2 down, in every division.

Also, you say you think Antrim is too strong for NHL's 3rd tier (2A). No disrespect to Antrim, but that's not necessarily true. We had 2 Liam McCarthy teams in 2A this year (Carlow and Westmeath), and neither of them made it out. 2A is a tough tier, no-one's getting an easy ride there.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 18/04/2015 16:10:19    1715263

Hard luck to Tyrone who lost their Division 2B promotion relegation play-off and will have to remain in 3A for another year.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 18/04/2015 18:13:52    1715295

To Marlon JD and all-
My idea tries to address a few main items, including those that are popular:
1) Div 1 to accomodate more teams = 14
2) Increase regular league season = to 7 matches
3) Best and weakest teams kept apart = to reduce risk of blowouts
4) Top 4 seeding = could be better than hierarchal divisions or 2 balanced groups
5) Complexity should not be confused with lack of understanding = e.g. US NFL structure is
rather complex and everyone goes with the flow

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 18/04/2015 20:31:23    1715337

omahant

On point 3,
3) Best and weakest teams kept apart = to reduce risk of blowouts
if teams are in the same division, they shouldn't be kept apart. You're either good enough to be in a division, or you're not. If you're in a tier or division, you should have to face the same level of competition as every other team in that division. If that's too much, you should be playing in a lower division. If a team is in the top division, they have to be ready to meet Kilkenny.
Kerry will be playing in 1B next year, with a high level of competition, but where they will have matches they can have realistic hopes of getting good results from. How would playing in your system benefit them more?
And also, what benefit would Kilkenny see in your system? While we don't want to discriminate against teams who are developing, we also don't want to punish teams for being successful, do we?

As for this point
5) Complexity should not be confused with lack of understanding = e.g. US NFL structure is
rather complex and everyone goes with the flow

Where did I show a lack of understanding? You asked for opinions on the system, and those who responded found it overly complex.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 18/04/2015 21:04:15    1715354

Main beneficiaries are the mid-ranked teams - those top half of existing 1B get to play KK, as KK gives up games v Tipp, Cork.
Kerry would have a strong schedule playing lower half of current 1A in lieu of Carlow and Antrim.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 18/04/2015 21:38:37    1715363

Also, currently while all Div 1 teams play 5 of 11 other teams, Div 1A plays the hardest 5, while 1B plays the easiest 5, and the top 4 from each goes to the QFs -there is little sense in this. My idea has the strongest 4 and weakest 3 playing an equal schedule against the mid-ranked 7 . While the middle teams have 4 tough games against the Top 4, this is offset with 3 against the weakest opponents. While each group plays the same 7 games and the top 2 ffom each could go to the SFs, I feel the top 4 overall gives thd 3rd and 4th placed teams from either half a shot at getting to the KO stage. I don't see any difference between teams playing half the teams in current Div 1 and mine, although I am managing to keep the strongest (call it 4-team Tier A) and weakest (say, 3-team Tier C, to form Group AC) apart from 7-team Tier B.
I am not saying you did not understand - my comment on complexity was general.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 19/04/2015 16:09:36    1715451

As an alternative to the current tiered Div 1, many have argued for two groups of 6-teams groups of equal strength. This would presumably put 3 teams from both 1A and 1B in each group - accordingly, Kerry would likely play any 3 from 1A and 2 others from 1B - my plan limits such 3 Div 1 teams to be the weakest only. Is this not better ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 20/04/2015 21:03:06    1715859