Toscail I didn't see the incident as I was watching my own county playing. I hope a club comes forward with a motion to remove the black card. A sin bin would be a fairer punishment than missing the rest of the game.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 21/03/2015 19:48:00    1705031

What hope is there when there are different interpretations of the rules, fouls and cards on here? If fellas who know their stuff are even disagreeing how can players, managers and and fans have any clue? This ridiculous black card is ruining football NOT the ways teams are playing. There has always been pulling, dragging, rough play, dirty strokes and sly digs; we seen it with Kerry and Dublin in the 70's, Meath and Cork in the 80's and 90's and Dublin, Down, Meath, Derry, Donegal in the 90's.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 22/03/2015 12:03:10    1705089

some woeful officating in the neller today
you didnt know what way the ef was going to blow
and joe canning scored a point in the second half that was given wide by umpire
he whinged to linesman and this then made the linesmen think call the ref
the ref went to umpire and they still gave a wide

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/03/2015 18:42:13    1705276

Was watching the Kilkenny Clare game today. Conor McGrath received a yellow card for a challenge where a Kilkenny defender jumped to the ground to ensure he got a free (Kilkenny handy at that but then most County's are I think)
Then in the 2nd half a Kilkenny defender pulled on Tony Kelly's hand while in possession - the boss of the hurl no where near the ball. Same result - yellow card. Not sure what the rules are around this. Seems like two totally different offences

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 22/03/2015 20:14:05    1705351

Was also watching the Clare v Kilkenny game and will never understand as to how Clare get away with persistent fouling and over carrying. I mean there are rules governing this but refs just ignore them. Numerous Clare players should have had yellows, if not double ones, for their persistent fouling. All the ref did was wave play on and more often than not it lead to nothing for the Cats. The sooner the advantage rule comes in the better. Hopefully it will put a stop to Clare's tactic. If they don't change it will result in numerous frees against them.

westisthebest (Galway) - Posts: 444 - 22/03/2015 20:47:49    1705381

westisthebest, I have been to most of Wexfords games in the league and I can tell you overcarrying is no longer being policed at all. Referees are letting players hold onto the ball all day in my view.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 23/03/2015 09:10:13    1705458

Ill give two examples. Donacha Tobin got black card for pulling down a Roscommon player, fair enough but graham Reilly got taken out illegally and free given no card of any colour, a ball clearly goes out for a 45 everyone in Hyde sees it but ref overrules and gives kick out, up the other end ball goes off Roscommon player waved wide by umpire who has clear view, ref who is way behind and view obstructed overruled and awarded 45, look i don't complain about ref as its a pointless exercise and of they bad then the calls usually even out, but not in this case.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/03/2015 09:22:31    1705464

Pinkie, I agree, although some teams are more guilty than others at the over carrying. It appears to me that the Clare type game of moving the ball quickly and holding onto possession, in particular, is ridden with over carrying. Amusing that such a basic rule isn't being implemented. It is very difficult to tackle in this situation and more often than not the opponent ends up fouling.

westisthebest (Galway) - Posts: 444 - 23/03/2015 09:29:23    1705469

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westisthebest, I have been to most of Wexfords games in the league and I can tell you overcarrying is no longer being policed at all. Referees are letting players hold onto the ball all day in my view.

Agreed Pinkie. However, to me there is a bigger problem - when a player gets possession, in most cases there will be a tug/hold on his hand or on his hurley that will prevent him from playing the ball. The player solution to this is to either overcarry or drop the ball and create a ruck style situation (of which modern hurling has about 20 in every game). Reffing modern hurling is very difficult. Overcarrying as a technical foul may be a blight however it is usually following a foul on the player. I would like to see these punished first.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 23/03/2015 09:47:18    1705483

Bennybunny, I agree with your post but am still of the opinion that some teams use the over carrying as a core tactic to gain an obvious advantage. Even in open play where there isn't an opponent near enough to tug their jersey they over carry. In fact these very teams are very much guilty of tugging themselves.

If a player tugs a jersey and the ref allows the player in possession to take more than four steps then the guilty party is being punished. The same can't be said for the over carrying which is rarely blown these days.

westisthebest (Galway) - Posts: 444 - 23/03/2015 10:04:36    1705488

lads there is bad referee all over all the counntry in club and country games i think all the referees should be brough in and be learned the rle book again

antoman (Mayo) - Posts: 140 - 23/03/2015 11:00:58    1705522

westisthebest
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Bennybunny, I agree with your post but am still of the opinion that some teams use the over carrying as a core tactic to gain an obvious advantage. Even in open play where there isn't an opponent near enough to tug their jersey they over carry. In fact these very teams are very much guilty of tugging themselves.

If a player tugs a jersey and the ref allows the player in possession to take more than four steps then the guilty party is being punished. The same can't be said for the over carrying which is rarely blown these days.

Its true that every team is guilty of the holding/tugging. It is almost a 'skill' in terms of tackling - possession is key in modern game, there is no ground hurling or overhead striking - you must gain possession and as the opposition you must get the ball back and one of the key tactics employed by everybody is to slow down the player in possession by a quick grab or hold which often leads to bottle necks, rucks etc where the ball gets released eventually and it is fair game again to get possession back.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 23/03/2015 11:02:11    1705523

Don't disagree with the above. However what I'm referring to is when in open play, and NO opponent near enough to tug a jersey, some teams are blatantly using the over carrying as a tactic. And it's mostly used by possession/running type teams who haven't the ability to catch the ball in the air from puckouts. As I said previously, the same teams are well capable of tugging the opponents jersey also. It's not as if they're innoncent in this regards. Anyway, refs have to implement the rule or the game will be infested with over carrying.

westisthebest (Galway) - Posts: 444 - 23/03/2015 11:46:17    1705545

23/03/2015 11:00:58
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lads there is bad referee all over all the counntry in club and country games i think all the referees should be brough in and be learned the rle book again


Well I hope you didn't write it......

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 23/03/2015 12:05:46    1705558

The standard of reffing in the GAA is woeful and has been for years.It needs to be sorted as its bad for players, spectators and the game.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 23/03/2015 14:27:09    1705626

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The standard of reffing in the GAA is woeful and has been for years.It needs to be sorted as its bad for players, spectators and the game.

Time for you to get a whistle me thinks

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 23/03/2015 14:37:19    1705633

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23/03/2015 11:00:58
antoman
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Well I hope you didn't write it......


what ya mean by that ????

antoman (Mayo) - Posts: 140 - 23/03/2015 16:18:59    1705686

i was at the limerick clare football game today.a game deservedly won by limerick.there was a man reffing this game and all that can be advised to him would be to take up a different leisure persuit.both teams were wronged in equal measure he simply wasnt up to reffing and i know its a hard job etc and they get it hard to get people to do it,...but...

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 29/03/2015 19:55:48    1708057

It was the same story in Tullamore today.We knew a couple of minutes in there would be red cards because the referee wasn't taking charge of the match.

Pinkie before you say it I won't be going refereeing anytime soon but I take your point all the same.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 29/03/2015 20:38:52    1708086

Joe McQuillan was very inconsistent today too by all accounts.
Maybe its time to simplify the rules, pay them more and give them more training.
Could also show them a few videos of Nigel Owens.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 29/03/2015 21:07:25    1708106