You want rid of the advantages which works well in my eyes and more crazy you want rid of the cards come on be real midleton

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/03/2015 15:38:12    1704181

EVery foul should be given as a foul. I agree.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 18/03/2015 15:42:06    1704186

This is interesting Delboypolecat. You think the advantage rule works well? You're not Liam O'Neill, by any chance? (But, of course, if you are, you can't tell me.)

In my view, the "advantage" rule leads to excessive dragging and pulling, and frustration by the player being fouled. Many times, I have seen players coming out of defense with the ball, having their jerseys being tugged and getting pushed in the back. And many times, I have seen them loosing possession because of it. Or, even worse, being penalised for over-carrying. You think that is fair? I read a referee in the Irish Examiner once who stated (reasonably, I thought), that the only advantage to a defender being fouled, is a free out. Yet I seldom see referees doing it.

The cards: I don't know about yourself, but I remember when referees had no cards and the games went on very well without them. I honestly cannot see any advantage that the cards have brought to the games. Someone mentioned in another post about watching games about ten years ago when the players accepted the penalties of fouling and got on with the game. Back in those days there was no grey area caused by the "advantage" rule. If you were fouled, you got a free. What as wrong with that?

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 18/03/2015 15:56:53    1704192

Midleton so if you strike someone or kick someone that means no cards strange one . No on advantages I give a five second rule as a ref and if no advantage does not happen bring free back very simple rule . Now back to the cards to many body checks now and haul downs so straight forward black cards or a trip .


Please not for others on here a foot block is only a yellow seems people on these sites don't know the rules ....

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/03/2015 16:11:59    1704198

Delboiypolecat - If you kick some one or strike some one, you get sent off. It's in the rules; it was always in the rules. If you obstruct someone, pull their jersey or trip them, you get a free given against you. In the old rule book, after five such fouls, you were sent off (You were warned after the fourth infringement). Again cards were never necessary. All they have done is muddy the water.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 18/03/2015 16:25:31    1704202

Referees are getting stick from all quarters in all codes.... Look at hurling, football, rugby, soccer or cricket and its the same story.

Is it the times we live in?

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 18/03/2015 18:18:36    1704245

Big sacks I agree but the abuse on refs are getting worse in the gaa

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/03/2015 19:19:12    1704264

Midleton the black card rule has seen more scores in the game and stopped the cynical stuff and we needed that you can get up to three ticks two yellows so that is five chances for minor things . Black cards are more clear cut then the reds are straight forward so no need to change anymore rules and leave the game alone now for few years . Refs have it tough and don't get enough respect even if they have good game

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/03/2015 20:09:18    1704279

Is a head high tackle allowed now in hurling? It would appear so from watching the hurling club final yesterday. On at least four occasions Ballyhale players were tackled around the neck/.head and no action was taken by the ref. in my opinion it is a highly dangerous act and one that refs should never ignore. I've seen players sent off for less.

westisthebest (Galway) - Posts: 444 - 18/03/2015 20:26:42    1704286

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Midleton the black card rule has seen more scores in the game and stopped the cynical stuff and we needed that you can get up to three ticks two yellows so that is five chances for minor things . Black cards are more clear cut then the reds are straight forward so no need to change anymore rules and leave the game alone now for few years . Refs have it tough and don't get enough respect even if they have good game




Dellboy, two ticks is a yellow, another tick is a second yellow and a red. Therefore only three chances. ;)

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 18/03/2015 21:50:41    1704334

No your allowed two ticks before a yellow so that is 3 chances then another tick before second yellow that is the rules .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 19/03/2015 10:23:12    1704383

Dellboypolecat

No your allowed two ticks before a yellow so that is 3 chances then another tick before second yellow that is the rules .



Incorrect.

Two ticks = yellow. A further tick = yellow and red. That is the rule...... see below.




PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Free kick from where the foul occurred except as provided under Exceptions of Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for committing any of the above fouls a second time. Order off for a further repetition or for other cautionable foul.

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 19/03/2015 11:51:22    1704420

You need to read the whole rule book or do the course or you getting mixed up with my posts

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 19/03/2015 12:25:08    1704435

Torcaill ticks are counted as chances to me if a minor foul it is a tick right then your entitled to give another tick before producing a yellow ok . Now if offence not serious you can give another tick before giving second yellow now I don't give three ticks only two but that is what we where showed at in service course last week unless you think croke park is wrong well I don't know

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 19/03/2015 12:29:02    1704439

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1704435 You need to read the whole rule book or do the course or you getting mixed up with my posts




I am very familar with the rule book, have done the course, have tutored countless courses. I don't think I am getting mixed up with your posts.



"Torcaill ticks are counted as chances to me if a minor foul it is a tick right then your entitled to give another tick before producing a yellow ok . Now if offence not serious you can give another tick before giving second yellow now I don't give three ticks only two but that is what we where showed at in service course last week unless you think croke park is wrong well I don't know "





Dellboypolecat, the rulebook clearly sets out what is a noting (ticking) infraction and what is not. Referees are expected to follow these rules (as best they can) and not use their discretion - i.e. will give him another chance as he was unlucky when he did x, y or z. Croke Park issued these rules and I am sure that the tutors at these seminars would expect you to implement the rules.


http://www.gaa.ie/content/files/Official%20Guide%20Part%202.pdf is the link for the rules, as you probably are aware, and in it you will find the noting infractions, 3 of which will get you a red card. You are not entitled to give any more than the 3........

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 19/03/2015 12:53:07    1704453

It was croke park tutored us and clearly on the DVD we can give 3 ticks get the DVD am not debating something that clearly croke park put on a DVD for us to watch

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 19/03/2015 13:25:38    1704469

Dellboypolecat
It was croke park tutored us and clearly on the DVD we can give 3 ticks get the DVD am not debating something that clearly croke park put on a DVD for us to watch.


I have the DVD and, as I have previously said, I am a Ref tutor who gives these courses. I cannot comment what was said or what may have been misinterpreted on your course. All I can tell you is that the rule is as I have previously outlined: two ticks = yellow, an additional tick = red card. I have provided you with a link to the official rule book (issued by Croke Park) which confirms this.

Another link http://www.gaa.ie/about-the-gaa/rules-and-regulations/ (also issued by Croke Park) also confirms this. (See below) If you do not wish to accept this, fair enough, continue with your own interpretation of the rule.


Noting Infractions

1. To hold an opponent with the hand(s).
2. To use the fist on or around the body of an opponent for the purpose of dispossessing him of the ball.
3. To charge an opponent in the back or to the front.
4. To charge an opponent:
i. Who is not in possession of the ball, or
ii. Is in the act of kicking the ball, or
iii. If both players are not moving in the direction of the ball to play it.
5. To charge an opponent for the purpose of giving an advantage to a team-mate.
Noting Infractions remain unchanged - Two Notings result in a Caution (Yellow Card) with a third resulting in an Order Off (second Yellow, followed by Red).Summary of Disciplinary System

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 20/03/2015 10:24:07    1704700

The real problem has been exposed again today. Denis Bastick had his black over turned and down graded to a yellow card. Black carding a key player in the wrong is too severe on a team and proves the black card is not fit for purpose. The head of the of the referees at the time Pat McEnaney said he watched the Kerry Dublin match back and come out saying Eddie Kinsella was excellent and didn't make a single mistake. By winning his appeal Bastick has proved the gaa cover up for refereeing mistake non stop,and by pretending they make no mistake it leads bad officiating. Time to punish referees for making mistakes.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 20/03/2015 13:00:55    1704753

Shaggy - did you feel at the time that Bastic deliberately pull down his opponent?

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 20/03/2015 13:04:16    1704755

Pat McEneaney after the game,"I analysed the game fully and I thought he was flawless in every card that he picked," McEnaney told The Irish Daily Star. "Where we have been rightly criticised for not getting the deliberate pull down right, Eddie was 100 per cent on the nail".
In fairness to Eddie Kinsella he had to decide in real time,what's Pat's excuse after fully analysing the game?

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 685 - 20/03/2015 16:02:15    1704835