I have to be honest and say I don't think we would have won even if we were at our best. To be fair we have not played a side like tyrone in the last 2 years. All the teams we played practically were 1-1 duels. You have to credit tyrones tactics in playing a sweeper in front of the full back line and the tenacity of their tackling. There was at least 2-3 occasions in the second half where murtagh was surrounded by 3-4 tyrone players. Not unlike the famous clip of the 2003 AI semi final where Dara O Cinneide was surrounded by at least 4 players out by the sideline. They were near faultless with their kicking and constantly cut through us. Roscommon were not let play their game. Credit to them. Tipp will be tough and will not give them the room We did but if they play to even 70% of yesterdays performance they will win. Nobody would have beaten tyrone yesterday.

Rosfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 778 - 19/04/2015 20:02:58    1715526

Rosfan you are a very honest person. I would fully agree with you. Tyrone were unbeatable last night. I can see at least 4 of that team stepping straight into the senior team, Their scoring abilities were a treat to watch as was some of the Roscommon players also. Tyrone need fellas who can take 45s and score from play from anywhere within 40 yards and these lads can.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 19/04/2015 21:28:51    1715577

Talk about a bad winner - http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=235694

Get over it lad, enjoy the fact your in an All-Ireland final and stop giving such massive respect to people you probably don't even know. Thought this kind of stuff went away years ago

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 19/04/2015 21:32:50    1715578

Well done Tipp u-21 footballers on beating Dublin. Hope to see them win a. Munster Senior Title next, and challenge the status quo in Munster and beyond. Great to see new teams come through. Tyrone made cake eat his words. A case of having your cake and eating it.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1746 - 19/04/2015 21:46:11    1715584

Well done to both Tipp and Tyrone

No complaints about Dublin going out.. played decent and built up a solid enough lead but didn't deserve to win it in the end

Great stuff from Tipp and massive congrats to them

Just goes to show what can be achieved when you build for success - nice to see and all the best to them

Should be a good final and both teams 100% deserve to be there - so all the best to both

The Dubs just never really got going this year but it's very difficult to put back to backs at this level

But they gave it a good go and went out like champions.. so thanks for the huge effort lads

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 20/04/2015 08:23:50    1715594

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1715578 Talk about a bad winner - http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=235694

Get over it lad, enjoy the fact your in an All-Ireland final and stop giving such massive respect to people you probably don't even know. Thought this kind of stuff went away years ago


He has come out to defend tyrone because of the abuse we have been receiving from some quarters of the media over past few months, fair play to him. I don't know how this is being a bad winner. He praised Roscommon and rightfully so. How can criticising the media be acting as a bad winner>

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 20/04/2015 08:49:17    1715606

can't blame the manager at all about what he said the media attention etc was all on Roscommon, very little mention of Tyrone, and sure it was great motivation for them. Have to say Tyrone were outstanding kicked some amazing points and there defensive work was excellent. I think maybe time for Harte to step aside and let a the new man take charge and blend these U21's in with the seniors. Roscommon never really got going on Sat and hopefully the lads on the senior panel will pick themselves up before the game next weekend.

Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 20/04/2015 09:18:27    1715616

Credit to Tipp but its hard to credit Tyrone giving the way they play the game.

Defensive football at underage is self defeating.
Defenders don't learn to defend one on one so they won't be able to do it when they get to senior.
Forwards get space as they hit teams on the break but they don't learn how to beat their man and take a score under pressure.

Time will tell I guess

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1125 - 20/04/2015 09:29:04    1715621

would have looked silly holding that newspaper if roscommon won haha
sure dublin were what 1/10 against donegal last year in semi finals at senior and donegal about 7/1 against
if the bookies got it right with odds all the time they would be out of buisness
id say powers were delighted with the result as most people back favs in accumalators

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2015 09:31:24    1715623

Rosfan - spot on in your analysis Roscommon had no experience of coming up against a team set up like Tyrone and really struggled against it. Tipp are going to need to do alot of work to make sure they're prepared for it - their performance against the dubs involved alot of running up the middle with the ball which will play into Tyrones hands. Tipp look capable of controlling the middle of the field but will need to be very patient in possession.

blacknamber (Kerry) - Posts: 267 - 20/04/2015 09:52:21    1715634

Since when was a Kerry ref biased in favour of Tyrone?! Ref let stuff go on both sides, but it was a clean game and he reffed it well and showed no bias towards either side, unless you're one of these excitable fans that they only let out for big games.

Roscommon were described in the Irish Times as 'dripping with talent', the only good players in the Tyrone squad were the retired lads 'on the sideline' and the game was 'Roscommon's to lose'. Unreal, you'd have thought we should have all stayed at home. Motivational gold really, don't see why Logan complained, reviews like that are just what any team wants; hopefully there is enough prejudice and spite to keep that sort of guff coming.

In reality, Roscommon lost because they simply didn't have enough blokes who can kick the ball over the bar. Was it one point from play in the second half? Or little more than that - tells its own story. Roscommon have a good defence (Tyrone didn't get too many chances either, the difference was what few chances we got, we took) and a good midfield, but they were poorly supported by their forwards - didn't see anyone of the class of a D Shine in that U21 team.

Cat's out of the bag now alright and Tipp will be a different game. Probably would have preferred to meet Dublin in the final.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 20/04/2015 10:02:38    1715638

Well done Tipp and Tyrone , Tyrone have some great players there and will be stars but do they have to play so defensive with such talent on hand? I don't like having a go at underage teams but it's just so disappointing seeing managers do these tactics at underage football, also how was 9 for Tyrone Only giving a yellow for breaking the Roscommon players nose? 9 and 13 for Tyrone great players all the same.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/04/2015 10:05:04    1715640

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1715621 Credit to Tipp but its hard to credit Tyrone giving the way they play the game.

Defensive football at underage is self defeating.
Defenders don't learn to defend one on one so they won't be able to do it when they get to senior.
Forwards get space as they hit teams on the break but they don't learn how to beat their man and take a score under pressure.

Time will tell I guess


Yeah you're spot on none of these players will be able to beat a man or defend one on one. I hope they listen to a mayo mans advice on how to bring all Ireland success! Hope to god we win it now ! This type of rubbish is exactly why logan took a swipe at the southern media

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 20/04/2015 10:19:49    1715649

Watched both games and enjoyed the two of them - two different games but lot of good play and players and some nice scores to boot. Dublin game was a lot closer obviously and could have gone either way though, although on the whole he wasn't too bad as he let things go for both sides, I thought the ref was a little harsher on occasions on Dublin both going in for the tackle and how they were being tackled and maybe a different call on one or two of the decisions could have had Dublin in the final. Thought Tyrone were value for their win and it has the makings of a decent final between themselves and Tipp.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 20/04/2015 10:23:39    1715651

Same old Hoganstand begrudgeery and shame faced prejudice. Of the 2 games did Tyrone not score 17 points clearly more than the other "Non defensive" teams. Tipp beat Dublin 14-12 with a glut of scores in he last 5 mins. Was an Ulster team in the first semi. That game was as source in scoring for first 20 minutes as you could imagine at underage level.
Typical lack of respect in not naming our players ...Cathal McShane was number 9 and St.Michaels schoolboy Lee Brennan was 13. Mark Bradley would be the star forward but has been hampered from the Fermanagh game with a hamstring and Lee ably replacing. As the top scoring 'defensive'' team a fit Mark Bradley and Conor McKenna (Playing AFL) described by Tyronophile Spillane as "The best minor in ireland" would've made them even more potent as an attacking force.
Have to say the most partisan crowd I've ever come across (Similar to Mayo) but some good chats after the game. One point which I believe played a part was Rossies U21s were key to their senior promotion. Tyrone withdrew after the first few league games Ruari, Cathal and Mark (Injured) and probably were fresher as a result

Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 20/04/2015 10:35:54    1715658

Was thinking the same Tyrone Tim, that Tyrone side would be som much better if their best forward (McKenna) was available to them. On top of that, Hackett was another major loss too.

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 20/04/2015 10:46:25    1715664

essmac - not sure how you could claim that the Roscommon V Tyrone semi was a clean game. Seemed to be alot of spite in it with constant off the ball belting and messing going on. Seemed to work for Tyrone tho as Roscommon couldn't cope with the intensity they brought to the game.
Also think you're very harsh critising the Ros forwards - Tyrone defended deep (with their blanket) so very hard for any forward to show their ability - murtagh actually looks really good and Tyrone had 2-3 players round him at all times. Thats the way football is going...Donie Shine wouldn't have got a kick if he was playing - would have been targeted and double-triple marked.
Will be interesting to see how Tipp approach the final - they should have the upper hand at mid field but Tyrone look very good at picking off scores on the break.

blacknamber (Kerry) - Posts: 267 - 20/04/2015 10:51:47    1715668

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I am aware of that,but what have Tipp done to actually get so successful at underage?

There has always been good footballers in Tipp, but back a few years ago they split the county board to football and hurling and now have a football chairman. Theyve various development squads and have kept the North lads playing football even though the likes of Steven O'Brien and a few more play little or no club football.
Kevin O'Halleron was only drafted into panel a week or two before Munster final and was on the frees for last two matches.Another North player from a hurling club.

They also set up a Supporters club and the last two chairmans have been from Hurling clubs in North Tipp also.
Tipp were missing 3 or 4 of their best players on Saturday aswell

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/04/2015 10:54:48    1715670

Last year watching the U21s was surprised to hear that (in my opinion) the best U21 of the lot Conor McHugh was overlooked. I'm not sure this year, one year on he has improved much but that would be difficult. Think he'll genuinely make a serious difference to the Dub senior forward unit. Injury aside I expect him to there for some years.
Similar red head on the Tyrone team again much overlooked is Conor Meyler. Watched him for Omagh right through the Club championship and was excellent against Cross. For the u21s he's an important link man and scored 2 important goals in Ulster semi and final. Less room for him on Sarurday but think he'll really be one to watch in the next few years.

Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 20/04/2015 11:10:33    1715676

Firstly Well done Tyrone. Better team on the day and in my opinion, better team full stop. We looked like Kerry did in 2003, I think when Tyrone came across them in the semi final. Totally caught in the headlights. We should have been prepared. You kick the ball wide, change the play and be patient, frustrating the oppositions defence and frustrating them into losing concentration or giving a free. Tyrone had some excellent sharpshooters, some of their points from play were exceptional. Their full back also cleaned Enda Smith, who looked lethargic and realistically is probably over played. Well done Tyrone, I wish you all the best in the future but I will be hoping the men from Tipp can win for a change of scnery

Ros2013 (Roscommon) - Posts: 519 - 20/04/2015 12:15:00    1715699