Trawleybaron?????

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/02/2015 20:37:28    1693849

He has a piece in the Indo clondalkin', he says cut it down to 3 handpasses.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 15/02/2015 20:45:42    1693854

Cut it down to 3 handpasses and 4 players (forwards) have to be in there half of the pitch at all times. That might help our game cause everyone I talk to is not happy with what there watching from our county teams.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/02/2015 20:58:55    1693861

ya the skill gets taken out of the game to be fair.If players are forced to kick a ball,it means it will be practised more and you will see better executions.

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 15/02/2015 21:13:41    1693864

kicking is only skillful if it is accurate like kerry or tyrone have displayed in recent years for instance..kicking holds no value if you are just lumping it in aimlessly which has often been done and in the past

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 15/02/2015 21:15:58    1693865

Looks like Gaelic football isn't the only sport in a crisis at the moment. Despite beating France yesterday the rugby was wild boring. excellent defensive coaching has smothered creative attacking play..

The main purpose of any sport should be to reward an attacking approach. If that isn't the case then the rules need to be tweaked. I agree with the 13 a side suggestion for the Meath poster.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 15/02/2015 21:29:44    1693872

the issue with gaelic football is more with the lesser counties...i still find the top games brilliant to watch for the most part.however they dont play each other often enough....obviously there are poor 1s like the all ireland final same with any sport nothing is perfect...the gap between the best and the rest is huge and the rest seem to be stuck trying to play various different styles of football which ends up making a lot of them look shambolic..basketball have made numerous rule changes which has opened up more attacking play and favours a team approach..for instance the defender not being able to stand below the rim for more than 3 seconds and things like that..spacing has become rather huge..this is big issue in football with the lack of it

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 15/02/2015 21:42:37    1693887

Daith

Problem I cannot see the Gaa ever changing it to 13 a side..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 16/02/2015 08:48:34    1693901

fabio

13 a side would help big-time and that way the GAA would not even have to go near the rules as such.I think is it worth looking at.

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 16/02/2015 08:49:51    1693902

Limiting the handpass will not lead to more attacking football; in reality it is likely to encourage more blanket defences because teams will retreat into their own halves, knowing that the opposition will be forced to kick. There were two great club semi-finals at the weekend, with great tactical variety, yet the pessimists want to return the game to the dark ages of "catch and kick"!

13 a side is a more attractive option, and there is a historical precedence for lowering the numbers of players per team.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 16/02/2015 09:51:44    1693921

Leave the rules alone. Two great games last week between Dublin and Donegal and Cork v Monaghan . Two serious semi finals in the club championship this weekend . Leave the game alone . The constant carping about football is tiresome.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 16/02/2015 10:18:00    1693932

Club matches will always be fine because players haven't the fitness to the play the Donegal style all out defence.

It really only top level intercounty football where there is a problem.

I would make senior intercounty 13 a side, reduce teams to two subs only and limit the handpass to 3 in a row.

Try it in the interprovincial series and see what it looks like.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1129 - 16/02/2015 10:25:05    1693933

I disagree with greengrass.
Theres nothing wrong with changing the rules of the game if it will improve things.
I personally dont mind gaelic football as it is but Im in the minority. By the sounds of things the fans simply arent enjoying gaelic football as much as they used to and that it is a problem that needs to be addressed.
If asking managers/players nicely to create a better spectacle wont work then altering the rules so that playing "ugly" football doesnt payoff is a viable alternative imo.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 16/02/2015 10:54:58    1693941

The problem with Gaelic football is FEAR.
Managers are afraid to lose & players are afraid to make mistakes that cost the team!!
I coach underage and have seen it first hand at almost all age groups. Acadamies, U8 & U10 coaches all seem to be doing great work at getting the skills taught to the young players but after that it seems to be about results and a winning mentality. I've often seen coaches taking training sessions and implementing "one touch and then you must pass" into games but that only results in multiple hand passes as the first player who kicks the ball is berated for giving it away.
Let the players play would be my philosophy.
The future of Gaelic football is the adaptability of a team and its players. We should be developing players to be able to use all the skills of gaelic football but like a lot of posters here we see an over emphasis on one skill, the handpass. Limiting the hand pass is not the answer as the ref's have a tough enough time implementing the current rules. I think this phase will eventually move on and after all it isn't the first time this has happened, Kerry used the hand pass with great effect in the 70's and 80's but the GAA didn't change the rules and the game moved on!!
For those high horse posters naming Donegal as culprits, you are correct...we do but so do the majority of teams today including the beloved All Ireland Champions!

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 16/02/2015 11:15:20    1693951

Leave the game alone . 13 a side my a**e.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 16/02/2015 11:25:36    1693958

No matter what rule changes are made all ireland winners come from a small pool and we can only have one each year and 31 team will be left disapointed, i think fast hand passing to players running at speed passing to another fast running players is as exciting as any , but agree slow hand passing backward kicking backwards is fusturating to suporters , we need to make rule easier for refs not another rule to cause confusion and anger if mistake is made

madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 16/02/2015 11:51:59    1693966

Tir Chonaill Abu

Yeah you are spot on too.It is all about fear,sometimes it is good to keep the ball,give yourself time and look up...instead there is a thought process of "Get The ball away as soon as possible",this obviously leads to more mistakes,and if someone gives a bad long kick,they do indeed get berated..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 16/02/2015 11:54:34    1693967

Football was once 18 a side but had to be reduced to 15 because the game was getting to boring. Anyone who has been a defender in a 5 man defence can tell you there is nowhere to hide. Also with only 13 players you can't spend the day running around hand passing or funneling back into defence and attacking on the counter. The field is to big. Having less players and allowing less subs would give weaker teams a more even chance. You need 25 top class players now, weaker counties could get 15-16 of a really good standard.

The argument that the ref won't be able to count the hand passes is ridiculous. If he is watching the play he can keep track of it easily. Only a crap ref wouldn't be able to count (I do realise their are plent of them about too).

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1129 - 16/02/2015 12:09:20    1693978

Fully agree with the Mayo poster. The 3rd, sometimes 4th and 5th man tackle is the problem. Eliminate that and you go some way to a more open game. The 3rd man tackle is not enforced in football and favours the defending team every time.

If we go down the road of having X players in areas of the field and limiting hand passes etc then your on a way to a wholly regimented game that I don't think most of us want.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 16/02/2015 12:53:22    1693999

worth noting the amount of handpasses used in hurling games this weekend. Mightbe creeping in there now to. Simple rule in either code is after 2 handpasses the ball must be played withthe hurl/foot

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 16/02/2015 13:02:22    1694004