Cillian O'Tapover strikes again...

Mayo look for frees...

It's where most of their scores come from

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/09/2015 15:35:18    1791884

And don't you wish Dean TapItWide was as good as him jimbo?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/09/2015 16:25:50    1791925

Just so it's clear, Bimbodub, Cillian would walk onto the Dublin forward line replacing any of Andrews (who I do think is class), Rock, McMenemin, Costello or Mannion. Basically ahead of all your recent inside forwards and let's be honest ahead of the B Brogan of 2011 - 2014. Also having played with both in Uni he was better than C Kilkenny (who I also think is a class act).
The chap is a class act through and through. Joint number one transfer for me along with Michael Murphy for skill levels and leadership combined

wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts: 331 - 24/09/2015 16:33:23    1791930

Just so it's clear, Bimbodub, Cillian would walk onto the Dublin forward line replacing any of Andrews (who I do think is class), Rock, McMenemin, Costello or Mannion. Basically ahead of all your recent inside forwards and let's be honest ahead of the B Brogan of 2011 - 2014. Also having played with both in Uni he was better than C Kilkenny (who I also think is a class act).
The chap is a class act through and through. Joint number one transfer for me along with Michael Murphy for skill levels and leadership combined

wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts: 331 - 24/09/2015 16:46:10    1791938

keep taking the tablets, Wicklu.

Like I've said many times, if CO'C wasn't such a good deadball kicker we wouldn't be having this conversation, Paddy Andrews scored as many points from play in the replay as Cillian O'Connor did all summer.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 24/09/2015 16:49:02    1791940

Yeah, Gav, and if Flynn had one leg he'd be on crutches or closer to the bone if Brogan was from Wicklow he'd be unlikely to be still bothered with the game. The point is Cillian IS so good at that skill so ya can't take away one ability to suit your comparison.
Don't hide behind some stats if you're not gonna accept them all. Yeah Andrews hit a peak in the reply - put me in there ten times and I'll do the same on at least one occasion - don't forget Andrews was a corner back first time on the scene for Dublin. He's hardly a consistent full forward dynamo. So don't choose one stat to support your point (whatever that is). OConnor has been top scorer and the most dangerous Mayo forward three years running (can't say that any other top 4 county has had the same most dangerous forward), he's the youngest of all the forwards mentioned in comparison, he plays on a team yet to win an AI and plays with 2 other good forwards and 3 passengers. That's true class, consistent class and it's why he's better than any of your inside line apart from BB this year.

wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts: 331 - 24/09/2015 17:18:26    1791969

haha wicklu, so Cillian O'Connor is class because he managed 2-5 from play all year playing with 3 rubbish forwards? It's too paltry a return for someone to be considered class. 5 points. FIVE. Sean Quigley got 14 from play in the Fermanagh team. I'd have him in ahead of O'Connor on those stats alone.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 24/09/2015 17:40:42    1791984

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Just so it's clear, Bimbodub, Cillian would walk onto the Dublin forward line replacing any of Andrews (who I do think is class), Rock, McMenemin, Costello or Mannion. Basically ahead of all your recent inside forwards and let's be honest ahead of the B Brogan of 2011 - 2014. Also having played with both in Uni he was better than C Kilkenny (who I also think is a class act).
The chap is a class act through and through. Joint number one transfer for me along with Michael Murphy for skill levels and leadership combined

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No chance. Marked out of both semis, 2-5 from play all year. I wouldn't swap him for any of our inside forwards with the possible exception of Rock who hasn't done it this year. As for being better than Kilkenny in Uni, what's gone wrong with him since then because Ciaran would blow him away IMO. I think even his brother may be eclipsing him from what I've seen this year.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 24/09/2015 18:05:57    1792005

Jeez, you'd swear from some of the Dublin posters that scores from dead balls don't count. The likes of Trevor Giles made a career of out being good from placed balls, and he's (rightfully) lionised. I suppose COC will have to wait until the end of his career to get the praise he's due.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 25/09/2015 12:03:22    1792270

He is smashing player no doubt about it and like a lot of the best he flirts with trouble. Our best players seems to have that gene where they often get a rush of blood to the head and hit out in ways. Examples of this can be seen with Diarmuid Connolly and Philly McMahon. Paul Galvin, Tomás Ó Sé, Noel O' Leary and Ryan McMenimen had it also. Not finding fault. Just intrigued. Cillian O' Connor is a smashing player. Individually he has achieved an awful lot in his shortish career to date.

15BACSAM (Dublin) - Posts: 142 - 25/09/2015 14:44:05    1792374

I'd take Cillian in a heartbeat for Dublin.

Mark my words when this lad comes into his prime he's gonna be unreal.

His goal against Dublin in the replay was pure class. Despite what Dessie Dolan said in commentary it was no foul. He dummied back inside on his right and then got tripped and still managed to get his right boot to the ball and send it in. Magic stuff from a magic player.

Diarmuid O'Connor also looks like developing into a great player also.

The future Mayo forward line is looking very good indeed.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 25/09/2015 14:48:53    1792380

Players develop at different rate we could well be seeing the best of Cillan O Connor right now. Diarmuid O'Connor is a good footballer probably a better all round footballer than his brother but don't think scoring is one of strong points. He scored 2 points against Dublin and few have got carried away with that. He only scored 0-5 in the previous championship games this summer 0-4 came in the turkey shoot against Sligo.

Mr_Pundit (UK) - Posts: 677 - 25/09/2015 20:38:39    1792507

People need to relax here a bit. He's racked up big scores against the likes of London and Leitrim and the rest of us in Connaught. Had a few good days against Donegal, Kerry and Dublin which i'll accept. But let's be honest here, how many people if they had a choice of brogan, o'donoghue or o'connor would pick Cillian. Brogan and O'Donoghue do it on the big big day. This is one thing Cillian will need to improve on, on AI day these guys stood up and took the game when it was there to be won and they have the medal's to prove it! To be defined as great IMO you need Sam to back it up, a few players like the likes of mattie forde are exceptions as there team around them werent at his level. I honestly believe Mayo's chance to win an all ireland have come and gone. Anyway...

candlewax (Galway) - Posts: 284 - 26/09/2015 09:45:40    1792536

I don't believe Mayo's time is gone; right they'll win Connaught next year handy enough then they'll win there quarter final game which's put them in the semi final against Donegal/Tyrone who Mayo have no fear of whatsoever and They can then only meet Kerry or Dublin in the final in a one off game anything can happen so I wouldn't write Mayo off yet no way.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/09/2015 09:56:54    1792537

Not sure. Have watched him in 3 big games. V Dublin now. Did he terrorise the defence? Not really. A very good player but will need to be motm in the bigger games to become one of the greats.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 26/09/2015 10:15:17    1792541

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I don't believe Mayo's time is gone; right they'll win Connaught next year handy enough then they'll win there quarter final game which's put them in the semi final against Donegal/Tyrone who Mayo have no fear of whatsoever and They can then only meet Kerry or Dublin in the final in a one off game anything can happen so I wouldn't write Mayo off yet no way.

I agree.

There's nothing out west to come close to them.

They will be there or thereabouts next August no doubt.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 26/09/2015 10:20:19    1792542

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I'd take Cillian in a heartbeat for Dublin.

Mark my words when this lad comes into his prime he's gonna be unreal.


Is he a cousin of yours?

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 26/09/2015 11:58:04    1792556

I think some of the posts on here belong in the begrudgery thread!
Top championship scorer the last three years, 3rd highest from open play in 13, 4th highest in 14.
Would solve some amount of the scoring problems Tyrone have and still only early 20's.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 26/09/2015 13:02:07    1792562

Benched totally agree. I can't understand why people speak so negatively about Cillian when ya look at the lads achievements. Great player. We are lucky to have him

Equineburger (Mayo) - Posts: 30 - 26/09/2015 13:55:14    1792572

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People need to relax here a bit. He's racked up big scores against the likes of London and Leitrim and the rest of us in Connaught. Had a few good days against Donegal, Kerry and Dublin which i'll accept. But let's be honest here, how many people if they had a choice of brogan, o'donoghue or o'connor would pick Cillian. Brogan and O'Donoghue do it on the big big day. This is one thing Cillian will need to improve on, on AI day these guys stood up and took the game when it was there to be won and they have the medal's to prove it! To be defined as great IMO you need Sam to back it up, a few players like the likes of mattie forde are exceptions as there team around them werent at his level. I honestly believe Mayo's chance to win an all ireland have come and gone. Anyway...

O'Donoghue didn't even get a shot away in last year's All-Ireland final, and has generally been below par this season. O'Connor has racked up decent scores against all of the big teams over the past few years, as well as the likes of Sligo and Leitrim. Here's another thing: the Mayo attack was very oriented towards Aidan O'Shea this year, so COC was always going to get fewer opportunities. Yet he still finished as the championship's top scorer.

I wouldn't personally rank Cillian O' Connor as one of the greats, but some consistency of argument would be nice.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 28/09/2015 15:23:32    1793159