well those divisions would be a lot more competitive than what katie is in with...professional boxing is of lot greater standard than amateur boxing...outside of the cubans all the top fighters go pro and even most cubans do now...womens would be a bit different but the sport isnt too competitive so why slag guys who are irish world champions like lee and frampton?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 30/12/2014 19:43:37    1680118

I don't think its fair to say female boxing ain't as competitive.
If Taylor is that far ahead that is more of a compliment to how good she is that she keeps staying ahead of the chasing pack, people become blinkered and think something isn't competitive if one person or team is winning consecutively, if you were to take Taylor out in sure people would say its brilliant the standard yet it would actually drop because they wouldn't be having to keep improving to Taylor's level.
The same as when Kilkenny were below par last year the championship was deemed to be the best hurling ever but nobody questioned if it was simply just an open championship because the best team had gone backwards and dropped down to their level . That to me don't make it a better competition

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/12/2014 20:22:39    1680124

its a minority sport compared to other world sports hill is what people are saying...her achievements are not comparable to mcilroy due to the level of competitiveness and how big golf is worldwide

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 30/12/2014 20:41:07    1680130

people who called it the best hurling championship were largely only happy that kilkenny didnt win...i personally felt the standard had notably dropped..excitement doesnt always equal quality

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 30/12/2014 20:42:06    1680131

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well those divisions would be a lot more competitive than what katie is in with...professional boxing is of lot greater standard than amateur boxing...outside of the cubans all the top fighters go pro and even most cubans do now...womens would be a bit different but the sport isnt too competitive so why slag guys who are irish world champions like lee and frampton?

Im not slagging anyone.I hope the Irish lads win everything possible . It aint Katies fault their aint more female boxers in the divisions. ,the fact she is so good is the reason she is winning so many world titles. It aint just all about the standard being poor , its more about her standard being so high. She does be beating the sh..t out of some of the lads in the high performance gym . Technically she is far superior to a lot of the guys, obviously she doesnt have their strenght, but she is a brilliant skillful boxer. Katie can only beat what is in front of her. My point is , she is the best at what she does in the world. We havent got many Irish sportspeople we can say that about. So why down play her achievements.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/12/2014 20:42:17    1680132

its all about perspective on achievements...nobody is really diminishing her achievements...it is a fact that females amateur boxing has nowhere near the level of depth that professional boxing or even mens amateur boxing would have...frampton and lee deserve huge credit for what they have achieved..most people who talk about katie taylor calling her our greatest sportsperson didnt even watch any of her fights barring an odd video and the olympics...they have no understanding of perspective..who is she beating up in the high performance gym?..she is great at her sport and fair play to her...but lets not pretend that she was robbed in the rte awards...she wasnt and its not even close

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 30/12/2014 21:09:42    1680135

and you cant really talk about recognition when lee and frampton have received very little recognition for their achievements..katie has received a lot more..especially during her brief spell as the media darling in the summer of 2012

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 30/12/2014 21:12:00    1680136

No one is pretending anything Fabio,this is all about opinions not fact. We will leave it at that. Im not interested in trying to put down one Irish persons achievements to further an arguement for another.
Im happy with any Irish achievement.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/12/2014 21:56:22    1680140

Re hurling fabio8, id rather see ten poor counties play out a load of close matches than see one great team (Kilkenny) wipe the floor with everyone.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 03/01/2015 15:19:38    1680259

wouldnt like seeing poor teams myself joncarter...a number of good sides preferably...what made kilkenny especially great was tipp giving them such major tests on numerous occasions

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 03/01/2015 19:05:34    1680295

Don't agree with John Carter at all
So you basically want to see the standard of the game drop
Simply to see close games, not far me anyway
I love watching teams play good football or hurling
Regardless of scoreline. If somebody is that good I enjoy watching them

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/01/2015 19:42:41    1680302

Agreed. it would be fantastic if we had 5 or 6 teams playing to the cats level and I agree with you that the quality last year may not have been the best, but I cant remember the last time i enjoyed a championship as much.
I will admit though that Kilkennys early exit (early by their standards anyway) made it more exciting for me, because as long as theyre in it i always feel that they will win it, whatever about what happens in other games.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 03/01/2015 19:47:46    1680304

nothing wrong with kilkenny winning it...didnt enjoy last year that much as the standard was noticeably poorer..i like to see quality

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 03/01/2015 19:55:24    1680305

Hill16, so youre saying that you enjoyed the 2008 final, when a perfect kilkenny performance rendered the game effectively over after 15 minutes, to last years gripping encounters between Clare and Cork, where the performances of both teams were no where near perfect. Fair enough.
I personally preferred the 2013 finals.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 03/01/2015 20:26:44    1680308

one should appreciate greatness...nothing enjoyable about mediocrity..you wanna see the best

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 03/01/2015 21:03:49    1680312

It was a privilege to be at the 2008 final where i witnessed,probably,the greatest ever All Ire display of hurling.A true fan of the game,couldnt be but mesmerised,by the the near flawless display that Kilkenny offered up.Granted,its always nice for a game to be competetive,but sometimes a teams sheer excellence and mastery,elevates the game to a new level,and anyone who was at that game(bar devestated Deise folk),will cherish the memories forever.A performance so good, we will do well to see it replicated in the future.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 04/01/2015 19:17:47    1680441

well said cude...you would swear all their finals have been liked that when they simply havent...both galway and tipp gave them very tough games plus the limerick game while never looking like winning wasnt a complete annihilation

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 04/01/2015 20:21:08    1680474

Fair enough lads. each to their own, me and my mates switched over to the soccer as soon as Brennan got that second goal.
Truly awesome performance though no question.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 05/01/2015 13:02:30    1680590

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Hill16, so youre saying that you enjoyed the 2008 final, when a perfect kilkenny performance rendered the game effectively over after 15 minutes, to last years gripping encounters between Clare and Cork, where the performances of both teams were no where near perfect. Fair enough.
I personally preferred the 2013 finals.


im saying i enjoy watching teams play great football and hurling.
if the other teams arent able to match them that is their own fault at the end of the day.
the better a team plays the more enjoyable it is to watch.
i wouldnt want to see standards drop just so you have a closer match.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/01/2015 13:15:40    1680597

Joncarter,did u turn off the World Cup semi final last summer when Germany went 6-0 up on Brazil,to watch the golf?

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 05/01/2015 13:59:15    1680624