From the comfort of your own home you say Katy Taylor is in a "comfort zone". You say she has no ambition. You say she is picking up endless amateur titles because she is unbeatable. She is unbeatable for a reason . She is brilliant. She has the ambition and drive to try to be only the second sportsperson in our history to win 2 Olympic hold medals. Is that not enough for you. Amateur boxing is the top of the sport in women's boxing. Armchair experts like you sicken me . How many titles have you won ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 29/12/2014 12:11:05    1680020

Go easy Greengrass. Everyone is entilted to an opinion.

Taylor for me has won everything at amateur level. She didn't want to progress to a professional level. For me, that is staying in her comfort zone as shen knows she won't be bet.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 29/12/2014 13:33:15    1680028

Daytona you are of course entitled to your opinion however ill-informed it might be. It is an opinion shared by very few and probably by nobody with any knowledge of the respective standards of amateur and professional women's boxing.
Moving to the professional ranks would not be a progression for KT. It is something she may do after the 2016 Olympics to build up her retirement fund with a few big pay days.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 29/12/2014 14:14:36    1680031

Myybe so westfester. I would have said that Katie Taylor in 2012 when she won the olympics deserved this award. As it was then she had won everything she could in amateur boxing. I actually think that porfessional womens boxing on the other side of the atlantic is by a distance more competative and challenging than womens amateur boxing in the world.

I admire her for what she has achieved but she keeps beating the same boxers and winning the same titles she has won over and over again and that's why this year I think it was right she didn't win the award.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 29/12/2014 15:05:47    1680033

29/12/2014 11:41:50 daytona11
AthCliath, I Disagree about Katie Taylor to be honest. She is now in a comfort zone winning endless amateur titles etc and is practically unbeatable. She has no ambition to achieve greater things in the sport by turning professional.
I think we should measure our greatest sports people by what they achieve in the top of their field.

Katie Taylor is perfect example of somebody at top of their field. She isn't in a comfort zone and everyone has upped their game to try beat her yet she still has beaten them, That she hasn't turned pro doesn't show a lack of ambition

29/12/2014 12:11:05 Greengrass
From the comfort of your own home you say Katy Taylor is in a "comfort zone". You say she has no ambition. You say she is picking up endless amateur titles because she is unbeatable. She is unbeatable for a reason . She is brilliant. She has the ambition and drive to try to be only the second sportsperson in our history to win 2 Olympic hold medals. Is that not enough for you. Amateur boxing is the top of the sport in women's boxing. Armchair experts like you sicken me . How many titles have you won?

+1 totally agree.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/12/2014 15:10:12    1680035

greengrass your being very hypocritical
you refernce the all ireland final again
yet try to then point out the national hurling league is more important than the football
then try say the munster championship is more important than the leinster championship
thats rubbish to be honest
dublin have won leinster consistently because they have come back year after year playing the best football in the province.
you seem to feel something only means something to people if your an underdog
i think people or teams in sport who come back year after year and keep winning is a far better achievment
as it shows hunger, determination and inner belief not to want to be beaten
one of the best sportsmen i have seen is phil taylor
he domianted darts for 20 years and still is favourite for the world championship this year
he not only won 16 world championships which is the biggest prize but
won all the other major titles nearly as many times
that to me says more than an underdog coming from nowhere to win once

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/12/2014 16:39:48    1680044

Practice your reading Hill. I never said the hurling league was more important than the football league nor did I say the Munster hurling championship was more important than the Leinster football championship . What I said was the hurling league is a tighter competition than the football league and it is . The Munster hurling championship is way more competitive than the Leinster football championship . Since 2007 all the counties competing in the Munster championship bar Kerry have made an All Ireland Final. Since 2001 only one Leinster football county has made an All Ireland final . Since 2001 Leinster counties including Dublin have made a total of two appearances in the All Ireland final. That is the lowest total of all the provinces. There is no comparison in terms of the competitiveness and the quality of the Munster hurling and Leinster football championships . You have some cheek to say Clare have come from nowhere . Dublin won one All Ireland between 1983 and 2011. Between 1995 and 2011 Dublin never even appeared in an All Ireland final. Now that they have won two in three years you are portraying them as some sort of super team. They are a cracking team and I enjoy watching them . Don't forget how Donegal totally dismantled them this year. You unfairly disparage Clare's achievements. It was the general public who voted Clare The Team of The Year last year. Deal with it.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 29/12/2014 17:11:23    1680049

Actually watched some of Katie's most recent wins the other night, very tight affairs and could have gone the other way very easily, as for manager of the year....what a load of insignificant crap, who cares?!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 29/12/2014 18:19:17    1680055

I dont even think that Katie taylor is our best boxer, let alone sports person. Id say Andy lee or Conor McGregor would be our top fighter at present.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 29/12/2014 18:57:06    1680056

mcgregor is different sport..john joe nevin barnes and quigley could all lay claim to it as well as conlan..we have a lot of them

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 29/12/2014 20:21:35    1680060

yeah there is not much of an argument or accusation of bias considering it was a public vote..nothing to argue there really

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 29/12/2014 20:23:25    1680061

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Practice your reading Hill. I never said the hurling league was more important than the football league nor did I say the Munster hurling championship was more important than the Leinster football championship . What I said was the hurling league is a tighter competition than the football league and it is . The Munster hurling championship is way more competitive than the Leinster football championship . Since 2007 all the counties competing in the Munster championship bar Kerry have made an All Ireland Final. Since 2001 only one Leinster football county has made an All Ireland final . Since 2001 Leinster counties including Dublin have made a total of two appearances in the All Ireland final. That is the lowest total of all the provinces. There is no comparison in terms of the competitiveness and the quality of the Munster hurling and Leinster football championships . You have some cheek to say Clare have come from nowhere . Dublin won one All Ireland between 1983 and 2011. Between 1995 and 2011 Dublin never even appeared in an All Ireland final. Now that they have won two in three years you are portraying them as some sort of super team. They are a cracking team and I enjoy watching them . Don't forget how Donegal totally dismantled them this year. You unfairly disparage Clare's achievements. It was the general public who voted Clare The Team of The Year last year. Deal with it.

what has how many appearances a province has got to do with the simple fact
dublin won theres and the league where as clare didnt reach the final of either
its simple facts if you have a problem with geography take that up with somebody else.
whats the whole thing because its dublin?????
im not talking about anything other than facts
where as your using this to have a tit for tat rant about dublin footballers
im not getting into that as thats all you seem to be looking for
where as i was discussing the facts of what a team of the year consists
and dublin won every competition across the board where as clare only won one
they both play in the exact same competitions in their season

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/12/2014 20:59:23    1680068

Hill I gave you the facts relating to those competitions you speak of. The hurling league is tighter than the football league and more difficult to win. I gave you the facts relating to the Munster hurling championship and the Leinster football championship . The Munster hurling championship is infinitely stronger than the Leinster football championship. Frankly winning The Leinster football championship doesn't compare with winning the Munster hurling championship. All of the teams in Munster have made the All-Ireland hurling final in since 2001. Only one team from Leinster has made an All-Ireland football final since 2001. That s how weak Leinster football is. Your comparisons don't stand up. Clare may only have won one trophy last year but it was the biggest one and they won it playing brilliantly. Dublin stumbled over the line. That is why Clare deserved their accolade of Team of The Year 2013. Nothing you say will change the fact that they won the award.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 29/12/2014 21:37:31    1680070

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Hill I gave you the facts relating to those competitions you speak of. The hurling league is tighter than the football league and more difficult to win. I gave you the facts relating to the Munster hurling championship and the Leinster football championship . The Munster hurling championship is infinitely stronger than the Leinster football championship. Frankly winning The Leinster football championship doesn't compare with winning the Munster hurling championship. All of the teams in Munster have made the All-Ireland hurling final in since 2001. Only one team from Leinster has made an All-Ireland football final since 2001. That s how weak Leinster football is. Your comparisons don't stand up. Clare may only have won one trophy last year but it was the biggest one and they won it playing brilliantly. Dublin stumbled over the line. That is why Clare deserved their accolade of Team of The Year 2013. Nothing you say will change the fact that they won the award.

you gave me your opinions
they are not facts!!!!
the hurling league has less teams than the division 1 in football
and the top 8 teams in the country by and large play in division 1 in football
every team bar two in the hurling league make it into the knockout stages in hurling making it far easier to qualify.
you gave me opinions on the munster hurling championship and seen as there is only two provincial championships
in hurling of course they are going to have teams making all ireland finals
but most of them were hammered by kilkenny in them finals so makes it not much to go on.
if louth won the leinster football championship back in 2010 i doubt you would be of that opinion.
they are both provincial championships and both carry the same thing a trophy so make them of equal value.
what does it matter if only one team makes a final in so long?
sure ulster is always deemed the most competitive province yet only one team has realistic chance of making the all ireland
most people then say.
dublin played brilliantly all year thats my point
they won the league in style loosing only one match
they won leinster and the all ireland playing some brilliant attacking football
yeah they didnt play as good in the final as they had done all year
but its a team of the year award not best turnout in an all ireland final award.
the semi final against kerry was one of the best games of this millenium so easily stands up to the hurling final clare had.
the point is dublin set the standard for the entire year of 2013
winning all before them
where as clare only played to a high level 2-3 months of 2013 and won the all ireland
you can make all the excuses you like about hurling munster bla bla bla
the simple fact is dublin dominated their sport for that year
clare didnt
therefore dublin were the best team for 2013

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/12/2014 10:09:06    1680075

Practice your reading Hill. I gave you facts not opinion. What does it matter that only one team from a province makes an All--Ireland final in 14 seasons and that this province has the worst record of any of the 4 provinces in terms of All-Ireland appearances over that time period? it shows the province is extremely weak. It shows in terms of quality and competitiveness the Leinster football championship doesn't compare with the Munster hurling championship. Last year both all-Ireland hurling finalists were from Munster.Limerick, the Munster champions didn't even make the final because Clare beat them in the semi final.. Take your head out of the sand. You slagged Clare off for not winning Munster last year. It takes an awful lot more to win the Munster hurling championship than it does to win the Leinster football championship. That is not just an opinion . It is a fact. You said that by and large the football league has the best eight teams in the country in the top division. Derry ??? You slagged Clare off for being in a relegation play off. The hurling league is much tighter. You only have five games and can end up playing 60% of your games away from home. You can very easily find yourself in relegation bother in that division. Cork were relegated last year. Dublin did dominate last year and they played cracking football. However your points in relation to disparaging Clare don't stand up to scrutiny. Your comparisons are not valid. To give equal standing to the Leinster football championship and the Munster hurling championship is a joke. Most people can see that. Dublin were poor on the biggest day of all and Mayo blew it. Clare were brilliant on both big days. The public recognised that and voted Clare as Team of The Year and rightly so. Less of the sour grapes. Deal with it. Well done on the horses by the way. They were great bets.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/12/2014 11:53:20    1680082

Greengrass


it also shows dublin have shown great consistency to win leinster 9 times in the last 10 years.
where have i slagged off clare????
i pointed out they didnt win munster which is a fact
i pointed out they nearly got relegated in the league which is a fact again
when sorting out a team of the year
these are key trophys and dublin won all 3 available
clare only won 1.
a team of the year takes in all sports so id love to see your reasoning as to where
the league of ireland or provincial rugby teams come into it comparing them to the munster hurling teams and so on.
the bottom line is the team of the year should go to the best team of that year
and dublin won all their competitions so therefore were the best sports team as they were the only team to do this.
its not sour grapes to point something out
and the actual reason it was brought up was because of the discussion on joe schmidt
winning manager of the year which showed the awards had no consitency
when fitzmaurice was very similiar to clare last year
as i felt schmidt was very similiar to dublin last year
plus i dont for one second think mayo blew it last year
once bernard brogan scored his firt goal dublin took over
dominated the middle of the park from cluxtons kickouts
and if not for the injuries in the last 10-15 mins
i feel would have won by 5-6 points at least.
thanks i had been hitting the bar on accumalators for the past 3 weeks with one horse letting me done narrowly
each time so was nice to get a couple up

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/12/2014 13:27:05    1680091

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I dont even think that Katie taylor is our best boxer, let alone sports person. Id say Andy lee or Conor McGregor would be our top fighter at present.


I'd say Carl Frampton would be up there also at this stage. But you'd need to measure the sport in two different classes. Amateur Boxing and Pro Boxing. The gulf in skills speed and techinique is huge.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 30/12/2014 13:52:20    1680096

I think we are going round in circles Hill . Dublin have been very consistent in Leinster . Leinster apart from Dublin is very weak . Munster hurling is very strong . In truth in Gaelic games the All-Ireland is way more important in the consciousness of the general public than any other trophy . That us why Clare win Team of The Year . Like I said we are going round in circles . I won't change your mind and vice versa. Good to see you getting a few euro from the bookies . I hope that keeps up . If you have any tips you might let us know .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/12/2014 14:49:58    1680100

Marito goes on new years day in tramore
Won the race last year when trained by Willie Mullins
Was off the track for a year before switching yards to mcbratney
He ran in a point a few weeks back and easily beat Oscar Barton who has franked the form by destroying cheltenham winner on the fringe the other day at down royal.
would be hopeful of a big run from marito

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/12/2014 16:55:19    1680108

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I dont even think that Katie taylor is our best boxer, let alone sports person. Id say Andy lee or Conor McGregor would be our top fighter at present.


I'd say Carl Frampton would be up there also at this stage. But you'd need to measure the sport in two different classes. Amateur Boxing and Pro Boxing. The gulf in skills speed and techinique is huge.

Female amateur boxing has the better fighters that their professional counter parts Daytona so its certainly not a case of taking the confortable route. The contracts and money arent in womens professional boxing. All the best American Female boxers are amatuer because they are looked after better than if they go profesional.
Katie has beaten the best that China , America , the UK and Russia to name a few can offer. She is the best female boxer in the world and is Irish thank God. With very little recognition but she keeps training like mad to keep on top. Yet you and John Carter will throw up nanes of guys who arent even the best in their divisions. As for your arguement about gulf in skills between Amateur and Professional Boxing your probably thinking of soccer or something because its a lazy statement.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/12/2014 19:01:20    1680116