See, being against it myself then what better way to put pressure on it's removal from Football than to question why it is not in both codes. You know that Hurlers would be up in arms (rightly so in my opinion) and the powers probably wouldn't introduce it so unless they can come up with an acceptable reason as to why one should and the other shouldn't then they should do away with it in Football.

Never underestimate those Tyrone folk.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/12/2014 11:34:03    1677050

Youd think hed want it expanded if he was a fan and able to back it up on its merits , but no hes not a fan not sold on it so bring it into another code , daft if coming from someone from kilkenny still daft that hes from Tyrone .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 06/12/2014 11:38:14    1677051

Damo - its the psychology of the Northerner you have to understand first. Master tactics.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/12/2014 11:42:59    1677052

Yes offside, that is bizarre psychology. Maybe I've underestimated him.... if its true.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 06/12/2014 12:28:16    1677056

Im in favour of the black card being introduced you have
alot of deliberate fouls in hurling all they get is a yellow

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 06/12/2014 13:02:07    1677060

We are going to hear this rubbish about needing a black card in hurling until the penalty rule is sorted out. What cynical fouls happened this year occurred because defenders didnt mind giving away a penalty cos they knew the chances were it would be saved. When that rule is changed to give the advantage back to the penalty taker there will be no need for any other rule changes.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 06/12/2014 20:30:52    1677124

Tyrone should look at introducing hurling into Tyrone.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 07/12/2014 12:35:52    1677175

Killarney.87
County: Tipperary
Posts: 893

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Tyrone should look at introducing hurling into Tyrone.

While I don't agree with the condescending tone, you are entirely correct. A county with 4 hurling clubs looking to change national level rules is just bizarre.

Someone alluded to the Tyrone secretary enjoying his own voice earlier in this thread - someone surely should be having a word with this man or perhaps, taking that voice from the man in question.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 07/12/2014 13:01:35    1677180

Sorry to be condescending but it get frustrating when football counties want to use hurling as a vice for solving football problems.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 07/12/2014 19:51:46    1677258

Marlon_JD
County: Tipperary
Posts: 1018

1676922 brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Hurling snobs do get very prickly when someone from a 'non' hurling county interferes or even makes a suggestion regarding 'their' game.

I wasn't getting prickly at all, I said in my post that I'd be ok with the black card being introduced in hurling, and that there was cynical fouling in both codes (no snobbery there). I was just questioning why someone who wasn't sold on the black card idea, would want the system expanded. Seems a bit dubious.
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Here lads, I'm only winding you's up. As has been alluded to already, McCaughey has a habit of making end of year reports which border on the downright embarrassing, TC has already mentioned one. He puts me in mind of the Rev Pat Robertson who goes to the mountains of Virginia for his annual chat with god who then gives Pat a list of prophecies for the year ahead, like Romney for president! So if anyone sees McCaughey wandering around the Sperrins talking to himself, well you know whats coming next!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 08/12/2014 09:02:38    1677304

Killarney.87
County: Tipperary
Posts: 894

1677258 Sorry to be condescending but it get frustrating when football counties want to use hurling as a vice for solving football problems.

I agree entirely - I actually cringe when I seen that Tyrone wanted to changed the rules of hurling, let's be honest, we should have no input on the game until we sort out our own house.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 08/12/2014 10:03:59    1677313

Dublin County Secretary now jumping on the bandwagon, in particular citing Donal O Grady's foul on Richie Power in the All-Ireland semi-final. The offence he mentions was a yellow card offense and as he mentions the player was already on a yellow. For whatever reason the referee didn't give a yellow, so one would assume in the same situation he would not have given a black either. While the rule on penalties and 20m frees has taken away some of the attacking advantage, there is still less guarantee in hurling that the ball won't end up in the back of the net anyway.

I would also question the notion (from the Tyrone secretary) that it is needed "to ensure the rules of the two codes are consistent with each other." I for one think this is nonsense, the idea that rules should be introduced in either football or hurling just because the other has them. They are different games, and if they are both to continue to develop then any changes in rules should be for the purpose of improving that particular code

game.on.now.ger (Galway) - Posts: 423 - 08/12/2014 15:35:34    1677405

Yeah completely agree, hurling and football are two entirely different sports that happen to be run by the same sporting organisation. Insane to say that they have to have the same rules. You don't see hurling folk advising on rule changes to Gaelic football.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 08/12/2014 16:19:44    1677424

While hurling and football are very different games, cynical fouling is a feature of both.

Even if there are a lower number of cynical fouls in hurling, why not avail of a measure which would target the reduction of cynicism in the game?

ringo (Wexford) - Posts: 384 - 08/12/2014 16:38:31    1677430

Black card should be in Hurling too, We see cynical fouling in hurling in nearly every game. Hurling ignorance then takes over and it's ignored. Anyone from Tyrone,Kildare or Meath have as much say in the way hurling is ran than someone from KK or Tipp.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 08/12/2014 17:05:08    1677441

05/12/2014 09:12:46
brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 9940

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Hurling snobs do get very prickly when someone from a 'non' hurling county interferes or even makes a suggestion regarding 'their' game.

+1

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 08/12/2014 17:06:03    1677442

daytona11
County: Kildare
Black card should be in Hurling too, We see cynical fouling in hurling in nearly every game. Hurling ignorance then takes over and it's ignored. Anyone from Tyrone,Kildare or Meath have as much say in the way hurling is ran than someone from KK or Tipp.

Why the need to fabricate some sort of oppression? I agree that there are grounds for introducing the black card in hurling, cynical fouling is a problem in hurling as well. But when someone is making suggestions about hurling, when they don't necessarily have the best interests of hurling at heart, they deserve to be called out on it, regardless of where they are from.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 08/12/2014 17:57:34    1677454

Hurling people from Tyrone, Kildare and Meath have as much right as anyone else to contribute to changes to hurling. My point is the likes of the Tyrone secretary have no interest in hurling and are being very manipulative for their own benefit.

Those who call us hurling snobs obviously don't read the hurling threads here except this one.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 08/12/2014 19:07:00    1677473