06/12/2014 20:32:40 ROS1
Jack Goff i don't think the grounds have been confirmed fully yet, i would say say Windsor park will be used as the northern government are going to want more then 2 stadiums. Cardiff will probably as usual get some games as the horse trading that happens with these things, maybe even Edinburgh might get some games, i hope all the games are held in Ireland but rugby politics might make that not possible. Looking at the schedule for the rwc 2015 nearly all the good games are in the 3 main grounds and a lot of the other grounds are only holding a couple of games, i would image it will be something similar in 2023. Windsor Park is very unlikely to be used.
The IRFU and Irish Government are going with a solo bid and with the politics that surround this bid we should have enough votes without having to give away any games.
07/12/2014 13:57:09 ROS1
Jeoff you are very naive if you think the Welsh wont demand some games for there vote as the have done in every wc held in Europe, you are similarly naive if you think the Northern Government wont want at least 3 if not 4 grounds Derry would make sense but a redeveloped Windsor with the unionists pushing the cross community element it is very hard to see it not included. Also the Cork element of Munster Rugby will be pushing hard for Musgrave Park which is getting redeveloped. Killiarney might not be included and even if it is it will probably get 2 games like Russia vs Tonga and Argentina vs Japan with the cheapest tickets as is the case at rwc 2015 82.50 euro each. I hope we win the bid but cant see us winning it unfortunately.There is very unlikely to be 3 or 4 grounds in the North as there is enough elsewhere
Windsor Park is very unlikely to be used as Ravenhill and Casement Park as 2 grounds in Belfast is enough.
Musgrave is too small and not likely to be used.
07/12/2014 14:42:18 Richieq
Jack Goff i don't think the grounds have been confirmed fully yet, i would say say Windsor park will be used as the northern government are going to want more then 2 stadiums. Cardiff will probably as usual get some games as the horse trading that happens with these things, maybe even Edinburgh might get some games, i hope all the games are held in Ireland but rugby politics might make that not possible. Looking at the schedule for the rwc 2015 nearly all the good games are in the 3 main grounds and a lot of the other grounds are only holding a couple of games, i would image it will be something similar in 2023.Cardiff is only really getting games for next years world cup as the real big rugby regions in England are so close to Cardiff and don't have many stadiums used. Its being done as an irish only bid and not anything more than that

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/12/2014 16:48:47    1677226

2. Put the money into other grounds around Leinster. To do what exactly - do them up so they can cater for 20K, that still doesn't work for 40k? This shouldn't be about other county grounds - the same argument I am sure was used by people when Croke Park was being redeveloped. Look at the two groups most vocal about their own grounds not being in good shape - Kildare and Meath - two counties that should have no excuse for the state they are in given the resources they have available to them. I would have sympathy for the likes of Wicklow but spare me on the other two.

Ah ok so my learned Wexford friend tell me what resources do we have in Meath to fully renovate Pairc Tailteann?? Have you any idea of estimated cost to do the job in full?? Our recent convention had us in decent financial shape in terms of day to day costs but we don't have the "resources" as you say to renovate the place.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 07/12/2014 20:01:35    1677265

Ormond you say that is a bid between the Irfu and the Irish Government but you forgot that the northern executive are also part of the the bid and the are not going to agree that only 2 out of a possible 12 or 13 grounds are going to be in Northern Ireland. The are going to want 3 if not 4 grounds I the North and with a re build Windsor and the cross community element i find it very hard to see it not included, politics plays a major part in these decisions which is why i included Musgrave Park which would be big enough to hold a couple of smaller grounds. Richieq i have no doubt Cardiff or Edinburgh will not be offered games the Welsh and possibly the Scottish will demand games for there votes. Ormond rwc 2015 are holding games in Gloucester which is in the middle of that part of England and could have have played games in places like Bristol etc. Off course did France need help from Wales to host there world cup I don't think so.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 07/12/2014 20:09:45    1677267

Build an ould dome, would be fairly ambitious but would be some atmosphere. Would work awful well for league games this time of year!!

Olaf (Galway) - Posts: 2 - 11/02/2016 21:18:42    1824832

Ormond you say that is a bid between the Irfu and the Irish Government but you forgot that the northern executive are also part of the the bid and the are not going to agree that only 2 out of a possible 12 or 13 grounds are going to be in Northern Ireland. The are going to want 3 if not 4 grounds I the North and with a re build Windsor and the cross community element i find it very hard to see it not included, politics plays a major part in these decisions which is why i included Musgrave Park which would be big enough to hold a couple of smaller grounds. Richieq i have no doubt Cardiff or Edinburgh will not be offered games the Welsh and possibly the Scottish will demand games for there votes. Ormond rwc 2015 are holding games in Gloucester which is in the middle of that part of England and could have have played games in places like Bristol etc. Off course did France need help from Wales to host there world cup I don't think so.
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:362 - 07/12/2014 20:09:45May as well restart this debate now that someone else has brought up this zombie thread...
Northern Exec are involved but that doesn't mean they will get more than 2 maybe 3 grounds.
Where are the 3 or 4 grounds in the North that could be used?
Musgrave isn't going to be used. Its too small. RDS/Ravenhill will be the smallest grounds used. The bid is based on a solely irish bid. There is no talk of anything like games offered to other countries to guarantee votes.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/02/2016 12:20:14    1824888

Bring to a rugby forum please like a good man

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 12/02/2016 12:46:00    1824901

Why is there some kind of perception that Meath and Kildare or indeed anyone outside of Dublin should have money to upgrade their stadium? Like because we have businesses in Kildare like Hewlett Packard or Intel it doesn't automatically mean they are dying to pump money into the county's GAA team. Do intel or HP need the goodwill of the county? I would have thought they provide so many jobs in the area means they already have plenty of goodwill.

This kind of myth that Kildare are sitting on a goldmine than they can't be bothered to mine is amusing to me.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 12/02/2016 13:19:44    1824911

A new 40,000 covered stadium off the M50 would be a very suitable concert venue and could also accommodate football clubs from the surrounding counties during the winter, provided they didn't interfere with the money-raising initiatives. There could be countless uses for such a stadium and it could showcase the broad-mindiness of the GAA administrators.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 12/02/2016 14:46:39    1824939

A new 40,000 covered stadium off the M50 would be a very suitable concert venue and could also accommodate football clubs from the surrounding counties during the winter, provided they didn't interfere with the money-raising initiatives. There could be countless uses for such a stadium and it could showcase the broad-mindiness of the GAA administrators.
neverright (Roscommon)

Are you on a wind up or is this a sign of how bad things have become? Clubs could be accommodated if they don't interfere with money raising initiatives? I thought that bad enough but building a stadium to show how broad-minded the GAA is? There are numerous reasons as to why a 30-40,000 seater stadium around the M-50 could be a good idea, this isn't one of them!

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 12/02/2016 15:47:58    1824951

A new 40,000 covered stadium off the M50 would be a very suitable concert venue and could also accommodate football clubs from the surrounding counties during the winter, provided they didn't interfere with the money-raising initiatives. There could be countless uses for such a stadium and it could showcase the broad-mindiness of the GAA administrators.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:149 - 12/02/2016 14:46:39 1824939

And it would cost a fortune, both to buy the land and then to build. Why spend money on a new stadium when current grounds like Pairc Tailteann, O'Moore Park, O'Connor Park and Nowlan Park can be improved and enhanced, this would make more economic sense and would also be much fairer than building another major GAA stadium in Dublin. A new stadium on the M50 is not needed, makes no economic sense and given the ever increasing traffic flow along the M50 and adjacent roads if would make even less sense to persue such an option

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 12/02/2016 15:53:35    1824955

Its going to cost a fortune no matter what, any stadium you talk about such as pairc tailteann is pretty much going to have to be knocked to the ground and built from scratch if you are talking about a modern stadium.

Every GAA stadium is completely and utterly outdated apart from croke park.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 12/02/2016 16:28:47    1824962

Its going to cost a fortune no matter what, any stadium you talk about such as pairc tailteann is pretty much going to have to be knocked to the ground and built from scratch if you are talking about a modern stadium.

Every GAA stadium is completely and utterly outdated apart from croke park.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts:248 - 12/02/2016 16:28:47 1824962

Depending on what final design is decided upon and how much Leinster and Central Councils are willing to invest the spend on Pairc Tailteann is going to be somewhere between 6 and 20 million, even if they went with the lowest amount it would make a huge difference and 20 million wouldn't lay the founds of a new stadium on the M50. Also i must disagree about your thoughts on other GAA stadia, the Athletic Grounds, Pairc Esler, O'Connor Park, Nowlan Park, FitzGerald Stadium etc are all grounds of very good standard. Plenty need work alright but they're not all bad

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 12/02/2016 17:11:44    1824975

A new 40,000 covered stadium off the M50 would be a very suitable concert venue and could also accommodate football clubs from the surrounding counties during the winter, provided they didn't interfere with the money-raising initiatives. There could be countless uses for such a stadium and it could showcase the broad-mindiness of the GAA administrators.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:149 - 12/02/2016 14:46:39 1

Why would you want to build a GAA stadium for other uses? Not only that, but suggestions are to build it within close proximity of Croke Park and Lansdowne Rd. I think it would be a stupid idea.

Could we not just build a Stadium for GAA needs, because if it's only about making money, no amount will ever be enough. I attend a lot of matches every single year, and buy loads of merchandise for me and family, and spend quite a lot of money. Yet I rarely hear many on about a larger nationwide strategy to make life more comfortable for the good aul GAA fan.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/02/2016 17:39:49    1824980

Gary mc82, I was simply being sarcastic.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 12/02/2016 18:25:18    1824987

Gary mc82, I was simply being sarcastic.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:150 - 12/02/2016 18:25:18 18

Thats a relief, it didn't come across that way to be fair.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/02/2016 19:58:58    1824999

The new stand in O Moore park cost $1,750,000 in 2002 allowing for inflation 2,330,000
It seats 6000 in comfort and has four dressing rooms underneath. To update an existing stadium in Ireland should be roughly four times this ( i.e four stands) $9,320,000

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 14/02/2016 09:24:55    1825215

The new stand in O Moore park cost $1,750,000 in 2002 allowing for inflation 2,330,000
It seats 6000 in comfort and has four dressing rooms underneath. To update an existing stadium in Ireland should be roughly four times this ( i.e four stands) $9,320,000

crikey (Australia) - Posts:211 - 14/02/2016 09:24:55

€20 Million should in theory be more than enough to convert any County ground into a superb facility to suit GAA needs, no need for restaurants, bars, conference rooms, business suites etc. However the tendering system is deeply flawed, where only companies who have earned in excess of a certain amount can tender for certain jobs that are government grant aided. This drives the project cost through the roof, meaning what should be a €20 million project, will then double or increase significantly.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 14/02/2016 17:53:03    1825309

Garymac, so you haven't heard of a new project that would benefit "the good oul GAA fan"? THE NEW CASEMENT!!!! my friend THE NEW CASEMENT!!!!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 14/02/2016 21:26:20    1825368

Garymac, so you haven't heard of a new project that would benefit "the good oul GAA fan"? THE NEW CASEMENT!!!! my friend THE NEW CASEMENT!!!!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts:7614 - 14/02/2016 21:26:20 18

Ah that old failure, Remember there is no NEW CASEMENT Ulsterman, and thankfully it doesn't look like there will be one any time soon.

That British funded project that benefited everybody from Corporate event organisers, Concerts promoters, Rugby World Cup matches............Oh and possibly around 5 or 6 GAA matches too............just so long as these GAA matches didn't interfere with any other non-GAA profit making events.

Ah yes, Northern Political parties and Belfast City councillors and the Ulster GAA council members would bask in the glory of this project and how it enhances the reputation of Belfast City, all while the GAA fans who contribute the majority of funding to Ulster GAA would continue to suffer long journeys and be treated as 2nd class users of the venue.

But enough going off topic, although I know and understand that you Antrim boys are still a bit hurt over me highlighting the many flaws in that white elephant that nobody was "supposed" to argue against. :-)

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 15/02/2016 14:52:56    1825536

Council could upgrade five stadiums as (@10 million each) for the price of one new stadium. Pairc Tailteann, Naas, Parnell Park, Mullingar, Portlaoise

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 16/02/2016 08:27:55    1825656