hill16no1man
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aughrim and gaelic grounds in drogheda are both lower capacity grounds than newbridge.
kildare need a new ground not do newbridge up.
the pitch is too small as it is nt to start on the fact they have no room to build.
theres a huge area of land for sale beside kildare village outlet
right on the motorway be perfect for a stadium


Kildare GAA have a site behind the Pfizer plant in Newbridge. A new stadium won't go ahead until the funds are in place to build it. That means selling the current grounds which isn't going to happen anytime soon.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 05/12/2014 17:47:24    1676951

Sigmund Freud would have a lot to say about the GAA chiefs and their phallic obsession with building big stadiums. The real strength of the GAA is in the cubs, and this is where resources should be directed. One of my earliest memories is of being at the 1964 Down final, between Ballykinlar and Newry Mitchels. Paddy Doherty playing for Ballykinlar, Sean O'Neill for Mitchels. Now both clubs are in the lowest division of Down football (which is saying something) and struggling to survive.
More help for clubs, forget about the vanity projects, senior management of the GAA is losing touch with the grass roots

befair (Down) - Posts: 237 - 05/12/2014 18:24:14    1676961

Hatem

To be honest I think that's quite a flippant comment, I mean for a start Wexford Park looks like a pretty good ground 'so what do I care' appears to be your attitude, I'm not so sure you'd be as supportive of a 40k+ stadium near the M50 if Wexford Park was in as bad a state as the county grounds in Kildare, Louth, Meath and Wicklow.

To be honest the state of Wexford Park is a matter for Wexford and nobody else, if the Wexford County Board couldn't get its act together to renovate thee stadium I wouldn't be blaming Croke Park. If you need renovations - first look to who have been responsible for looking after you for thee last 20 years not the people who want to look forward.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 05/12/2014 18:30:03    1676963

Beirbua

Is that site big?
I think they need a20-25 thousand ground if going to build a new one from scratch.
do you know the area I was on about across the road from Kildare village outlet,do you think it would be viable ?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2014 21:22:45    1677006

Seany i doubt the will need to build any new grounds will need to be built other the redeveloped casement Park as most of the games will be probably played in Croke Park, Aviva, Casement and Rds, Musgrave park, Thomond Park, The sportgrounds and Ravenhill, plus the redeveloped windsor park. Probably only the likes of Georgia and Namibia games will be played in Gaa grounds so the current grounds will be well able to hold them

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 05/12/2014 22:00:01    1677014

The RWC bid only includes 4 Rugby stadiums but 7 GAA stadiums. Thomond, Ravenhill, Aviva and the RDS.

Confirmed GAA are Croker which will host the 2 semi's and the final, the new Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Thurles, the new Casement if it gets permission, Galways Stadium, McHale Park and I think the lst wasn't announced. They also said about 6 GAA grounds would be getting done up. Some I'm sure will get major treatment others small things like Big Screen and Media facilities. Another ground that would be good is Nowlan park in Kilkenny.

But this is about the 40k M50 stadium. I think that money should be split and given to Kildare to build a new 25k stadium (at least half seated) on their site they've bought and the other half to Meath to replace the existing stand with one similar to that in Tullamore which would loops around and meet the terrace. And at the other end extend the terrace right around behind the goal. That would boost the stadium to over 30k. If they want to go all out give the stand 2 tiers or make the terrace a lot higher at one end. Bring it uo to 35-40k.

But building the stadium in Dublin will do a lot of Damage to the GAA in bought counties. meath for example will always get much more meath fans attending if the stadium is situated in our biggest town smack bang in the middle of the county. 35min drive if you live at the furthest edge of the county. I'm sure Kildare would be similar.

I'd also advise helping with a new ground or major upgrades in Drogheda and Aughrim. Drogheda has 1 small stand and the rest is grass banks. That's a disgrace. A stand on the side with nothing would be very cheap to build in the grand scheme of things and a terrace behind one of the goals. Give the people of louth a pitch they deserve and one fit to hold most county games.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 06/12/2014 10:08:46    1677034

terrible terrrible idea.there would be no atmosphere in the area,as everyone is saying develop portlaoise or tullamore or kilkenny into a 40k statium and leave it at that.
people also forget the financial spin off for the provincial towns connected with a big game.i remember the atmosphere in ennis and wexford last year after the clare game and replay,kilkenny was hopping after the waterford game and the pubs and hotels got a much needed extra few bob.a game on the m50 would lead to a massive tailback getting out of the place and very little else.go see the NFL stadiums in america if you want to see what a bad idea this would be.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 06/12/2014 10:20:12    1677039

seany

i understand the point about infrastructure and it does tend to play a big part.
but using belfast as the main stadium in ulster
is the equivalent of playing the munster hurling final in killarney each year.
they used their head and despite thurles not being a city like cork or limerick
it is more central to the competing counties.
omagh is central to the main supported counties such as tyrone,donegal,armagh,monaghan and cavan.
it is easy access and would be utilised far better.
i know belfast has the population and infrastructure but that population arent interested in gaa.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/12/2014 12:04:28    1677054

Jack Goff
I do not believe Limerick got that substantial amount from the Central Council or got that much special treatment from Government that Croke Park got or Pairc Ui Caoimh are going to get.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4340 - 06/12/2014 18:10:26    1677095

Jack Goff Considering they dont intend on building the M50 stadium, there is no money saved to split and dish out to Meath and Kildare.

Also hill16no1man In what sense is Thurles central to any Munster county? Its not even central to Tipperary, tucked away in the north east corner of the county, which is in the north east corner of the province. Casement is better suited for Ulster than Thurles is for Munster, given every road in Ulster, aswell as some trains from Derry, Armagh and Down are in the Belfast direction.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 06/12/2014 19:47:13    1677116

Hill - its funny that the argument for central location for Ulsters GAA ground has only been brought to the fore since the Casement upgrade was announced. Nobody seemed to mind going to the extremities of the Province on crap roads for years before now. Belfast is the sensible choice when you weigh up all factors.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/12/2014 19:53:08    1677117

Jack Goff i don't think the grounds have been confirmed fully yet, i would say say Windsor park will be used as the northern government are going to want more then 2 stadiums. Cardiff will probably as usual get some games as the horse trading that happens with these things, maybe even Edinburgh might get some games, i hope all the games are held in Ireland but rugby politics might make that not possible. Looking at the schedule for the rwc 2015 nearly all the good games are in the 3 main grounds and a lot of the other grounds are only holding a couple of games, i would image it will be something similar in 2023.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 06/12/2014 20:32:40    1677125

I really hope we get the worldcup in 2023 coz we need to get us new seats in Fitzgeralds stadium.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/12/2014 21:56:47    1677150

Redevelop existing stadia . And forget about this white elephant.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/12/2014 10:07:19    1677160

kingdom boy there's talk of upgrading killarney to 50k. where do you boys get the money from?

And cardiff won't get games. It's all or nothing with the irfu. the Rugby world union also wants 1 union bids in future. nonw of this we'll throw you a few games for a vote lark.

If NI want more than 2 venues they should be looking at celtic park in derry. spread them out. otherwise it's just ireland + belfast.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 07/12/2014 13:04:08    1677181

The arguments put up against this idea on here don't stack up.
1. It would never be used - how many games have we seen in Croker were the crowd has been below 40K - too many. It doesn't help the game and the atmosphere created in the stadium is zero. We have great games and great supporters but even with that a game played with 30K at it in Croker has a very empty feel to it. Like it or not the GAA is in competition with other sports for money and sponsorship - that comes from having a product for television, these games do not make great viewing. When I see other sports on the TV in half empty stadiums I immediately think less of the game regardless of what the actual game is like.
2. Put the money into other grounds around Leinster. To do what exactly - do them up so they can cater for 20K, that still doesn't work for 40k? This shouldn't be about other county grounds - the same argument I am sure was used by people when Croke Park was being redeveloped. Look at the two groups most vocal about their own grounds not being in good shape - Kildare and Meath - two counties that should have no excuse for the state they are in given the resources they have available to them. I would have sympathy for the likes of Wicklow but spare me on the other two.
3. Put it in a regional town. You have to be joking if you really think that putting any 40/50k seater stadium could be built from scratch in a town in Ireland these days. The amount of planning objections that would come it would be unreal - not everyone likes to live near a big stadium!
4. Takes away from the grassroots by not having games in towns in the counties. Well the games they are really looking at are ones where they probably would be in Croke Park anyway and if not then the local grounds is sold out and people cannot get to see the game live, think of the grannies and grandads that will be able to see the games in a modern stadium not freezing to death on an open terrace in the rain. The reality is a lot of people just want to go to watch a game and then go straight home. Spending hours in traffic is not an enjoyable use of time. Oh and if its the Dubs playing at least they will get to the ground on time as there will be no pubs around, which I think is the real reason for them doing it!

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 07/12/2014 13:40:55    1677192

Jeoff you are very naive if you think the Welsh wont demand some games for there vote as the have done in every wc held in Europe, you are similarly naive if you think the Northern Government wont want at least 3 if not 4 grounds Derry would make sense but a redeveloped Windsor with the unionists pushing the cross community element it is very hard to see it not included. Also the Cork element of Munster Rugby will be pushing hard for Musgrave Park which is getting redeveloped. Killiarney might not be included and even if it is it will probably get 2 games like Russia vs Tonga and Argentina vs Japan with the cheapest tickets as is the case at rwc 2015 82.50 euro each. I hope we win the bid but cant see us winning it unfortunately.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 07/12/2014 13:57:09    1677200

Jack Goff i don't think the grounds have been confirmed fully yet, i would say say Windsor park will be used as the northern government are going to want more then 2 stadiums. Cardiff will probably as usual get some games as the horse trading that happens with these things, maybe even Edinburgh might get some games, i hope all the games are held in Ireland but rugby politics might make that not possible. Looking at the schedule for the rwc 2015 nearly all the good games are in the 3 main grounds and a lot of the other grounds are only holding a couple of games, i would image it will be something similar in 2023.
06/12/2014 21:56:47

I don't know what media outlets you've been reading but this is an Ireland only bid and there will be no offers to Cardiff or Edinburgh to host games, that would be totally counter productive, additionally there has been no talk of using any stadia other than existing rugby and GAA grounds so Windsor Park never came into the equation and despite redevelopment Musgrave Park will have a lower capacity than most so I doubt that will be a runner

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 07/12/2014 14:42:18    1677207

Good post zinny.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 07/12/2014 15:18:55    1677211

Shows how little you know about the respective counties zinny. Meath were the poster boys of Croke park from mid 80s until 01. If truth be known the 4 in row between Meath and Dublin in 91 greatly funded the new Croke park. Meath were a top billing event, so majority of there games were played in croaker and the funds benefitted from Meath fans was distributed to other Leinster council
Now yes our county boards at the time did not do a good deal for the county grounds, but we deserve funding from not only Leinster council but HQ too. And Kildare fans have also been very giving to HQ too. Both counties should not suffer for having a large fan base and contributing so much to the greater gaa counties, much more than some counties who have better grounds.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/12/2014 16:36:23    1677223