Thought you might try to portray it as a wind up alright.
Simple! You said it.
You must be if you think that.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 18/12/2015 14:43:23    1813492

In 2002 Brogan would have started instead of Liam Hassett or Sean O Sullivan
In 2004 Brogan would have started instead of Liam Hassett or Johnny Crowley
In 2006 instead of Sean O Sullivan
In 2007 instead of either Eoin Brosnan or Bryan Sheehan who started at corner forward
In 2008 instead of Eoin Brosnan
In 2009 instead of Darren O Sullivan

In the above years Alan Brogan was more influential than the above players were at that particular time. Liam Hassett was beginning to start running on fumes and Darren O Sullivan hadn't hit him 2011 form in 2009. Brogan was a better forward than Eoin Brosnan. Johnny Crowley in 2004 didn't score in the final and I don't think he should have started which showed when he retired the following year. Sean O Sullivan was a workhorse but not as good as Brogan at any stage of his career.

Do I think Declan O Sullivan was a better player than Alan Brogan yes I do but I think saying Brogan would not have started in the Kerry teams between 2002-2010 is nonsense. The only year he may not have started was 2002 and that was just because at the time he was only coming through but the way he played that year justified his inclusion.

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 18/12/2015 15:11:13    1813506

It was only later in his career i thought that Alan Brogan really came into his own as a top class forward. Im sure people will ponit to great game she played early in his career but, i think when he became more of a distributor later in his career he blossomed.

I think he was a bit selfish on the ball early on but maybe he didn't have the players around him so felt he had to. I wouldnt rate him as highly as Declan but, he is int he top ten forwards of the last 10 -15 years. As for getting him getting on ahead of Kerry players its a flawed argument as Kerry picked players to carry out a gameplan. Crowley was picked in 04 as Kerry felt Mayo were weak under the highball in their full backline.

Hasset and Sean Sullivan were picked for their work rate. So to simply say brogan might technically be better footballer is true but it doesn't mean he would have started.

aido_d (Kerry) - Posts: 16 - 18/12/2015 15:37:43    1813520

I don't think Brogan was in the top 10/15 forward in the country either over the last 15 years but he was definitely in the top 6 in any given county between 2003-2012. I think he was selfish with the ball but I think this was because Dublin didn't have the players and he tried to do more than he should have. If Dublin had Gooch, Dec O Sullivan, Mike Frank around him he wouldn't have needed to be selfish but sadly we didn't have the calibre of forwards that Kerry had at that time

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 18/12/2015 15:53:36    1813528

So that's conclusive then SLLY ............. Brogan would not have laced Decs boots!

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts: 1050 - 18/12/2015 16:19:12    1813531

So that's conclusive then SLLY ............. Brogan would not have laced Decs boots!

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts:1026 - 18/12/2015 16:19:12 181353

Blah ! Blah ! Blah !
I'm sure it is in your little world.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 18/12/2015 16:41:11    1813538

Saying Brogan wouldn't lace Dec Sullivan boots shows what you no about football. O Sullivan may have been better but not by a long way. Brogan won footballer of the year a thing O Sullivan could never do Brogan also carried a Dublin forward line a thing O Sullivan could never have done. Stating a player who won 3 All Stars and footballer of the year couldn't lace a players boots of a lad who won 3 All Stars playing with the best team in 30 years shows your lack of knowledge. It's much like saying O Sullivan wouldn't lace Coopers boots because Cooper was slightly better

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 19/12/2015 12:32:42    1813579

Both different and both fantastic, I think as far as BB is concerned

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 19/12/2015 19:27:22    1813614

dubshurling7

Your comments show how much you know. Considering Johnny Crowley was almost MOTM in the 2004 final. Then again i wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even seen that game and are basing your ''point'' on the fact he didn't

costm (Laois) - Posts: 92 - 20/12/2015 14:17:44    1813651

So that's conclusive then SLLY ............. Brogan would not have laced Decs boots!

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts:1026 - 18/12/2015 16:19:12 181353

Blah ! Blah ! Blah !
I'm sure it is in your little world.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts:387 - 18/12/2015 16:41:11 1813538

Blah Blah Blah is a good way tp sum up most of your points on here

costm (Laois) - Posts: 92 - 20/12/2015 14:19:14    1813652

dubshurling7

Your comments show how much you know. Considering Johnny Crowley was almost MOTM in the 2004 final. Then again i wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even seen that game and are basing your ''point'' on the fact he didn't

costm (Laois) - Posts:77 - 20/12/2015 14:17:44 1813651

As I said Alan Brogan would have started in 2004 ahead of Johnny Crowley. Alan Brogan was one of the stars coming through in GAA at the time he won a 2003 u21 All Ireland on the back of a fantastic year in 2002. Crowley didn't score in 2004 and was taken off with 10/15 minutes left. He was influential in setting up scores for the Gooch but he didn't have great games leading up the final either. At least aido_d can come up with a valid point stating he started because of tactics which I can understand. But do I think Alan Brogan was a better player in 2004 than an ageing Johnny Crowley yes i do . And do I think Kerry would have found a place to start Alan Brogan in the 6 forwards yes I do.

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 20/12/2015 17:35:54    1813687

dubshurling7

Based on what exactly? Order than the fact he was from Dublin?

Yes he was taken off with 10 /15 left at thst stage the game was over so again your argument doesn't stand up.

Kerry played Dublin that year and Brogan was no where to be seen.

So again why exactly would he have getting on the Kerry team of the era? You've yet to give any reasons for it

costm (Laois) - Posts: 92 - 20/12/2015 18:12:31    1813690

dubshurling7

Your comments show how much you know. Considering Johnny Crowley was almost MOTM in the 2004 final. Then again i wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even seen that game and are basing your ''point'' on the fact he didn't

costm (Laois) - Posts:78 - 20/12/2015 14:17:44 181365

You have great knowledge of Kerry for a Laois man :) . or are you ashamed to be a Kerry man now Moomoo ??

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 20/12/2015 18:56:37    1813693

dubshurling7

Based on what exactly? Order than the fact he was from Dublin?

Yes he was taken off with 10 /15 left at thst stage the game was over so again your argument doesn't stand up.

Kerry played Dublin that year and Brogan was no where to be seen.

So again why exactly would he have getting on the Kerry team of the era? You've yet to give any reasons for it

costm (Laois) - Posts:78 - 20/12/2015 18:12:31 1813690

My reason are at no time between 2002-2010 do I believe a kerry had 6 forwards that were better than Alan Brogan. Alan Brogan would have started 1) he was a huge goal threat 2) he was a scoring threat in general 3) at the time the best defender on any given team marked him when playing Dublin 4) he had pace to burn. 5) he could win his own ball.

You say Brogan didn't play well against Kerry in 2004 and I agree he didn't but Dublin were beaten all over the pitch and the supply he got was awful.
How did you think Crowley faired that day ? Or even in the semi final against Derry ?
You seem to think I only say Brogan would start as he was from Dublin which is not the case as I am not on here calling him Gooch. The reason I would pick him is because of ability. If Beano (former Laois player) was from a kerry I think he would have been good enough to start for Kerry in 2002.

Kerry posters have come on here and agree with me in that they think Brogan had more ability than a Johnny Crowley, Hassett or Sean O Sullivan and at least they can come up valid opinions that they believe he may not have suited Kerry's game plan much like Mike Frank being dropped in 2004 but don't be so naive to think people can't have a valid opinion on matters because it relates to a player from their own county.

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 20/12/2015 19:29:59    1813698

The Kerry lads always had a soft spot for the Brogan's, they're always claiming part-ownership :D

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 20/12/2015 20:40:33    1813709

rrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts:1026 - 18/12/2015 16:19:12 181353

Blah ! Blah ! Blah !
I'm sure it is in your little world.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts:387 - 18/12/2015 16:41:11 1813538

Blah Blah Blah is a good way tp sum up most of your points on here

costm (Laois) - Posts:80 - 20/12/2015 14:19:14

As opposed to what you contribute I would be Einstein you amadán.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 20/12/2015 21:18:28    1813718

The Kerry lads always had a soft spot for the Brogan's, they're always claiming part-ownership :D

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts:96 - 20/12/2015 20:40:33

We certainly do. Sure didn't they get their football ability from their mother's side of the family ;-)

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 21/12/2015 11:34:18    1813768

:)

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 21/12/2015 12:40:07    1813783

The most talented and most skilful Kerry footballer since Maurice Fitzgerald. Wonderful to watch. Could play anywhere, on anyone, with any kind of ball and star. Unreal.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 21/12/2015 17:30:55    1813815