Look, donegal didnt show up and were amazingly flat footed and kerry played the wa they had to play to win. Its done now and as a spectacle has already gone down as a fast forgotten game of football!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 21/10/2014 11:55:45    1665722

For Mcguinness to say Donegal would have won had they played the way
they would like to have played is pure arrogance its pure and simple they were not
good enough they beat an overrated Dublin team and came up against a serious Kerry
team

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 21/10/2014 12:31:44    1665734

wfkerry, McGuinness never said they would have won if they had played the way they like to play. Go and rewatch the interview. Listen, without being prejudiced, as I have a feeling you do all the time. When you actually come to the bit where McGuinness says we might even have won the game look up the difference between might and would. You are becoming a lonely voice on this forum. I think that Dublin were by no means an overrated team, they were actually the most stylish team of 2014, and will be back with vengeance next year. I also think that you are a very bad winner. The all ireland is wasted on people like you.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 21/10/2014 12:46:42    1665741

Surely nobody could say that Donegal played to their full potential in the final? They looked nervous, lacked energy and there was no support for the player carrying the ball forward. These attributes are a hallmark of their time under McGuinness. In saying that, Kerry didn't play great either as both teams cancelled each other out. If both team played to their maximum then who knows what the outcome would be. But this game boiled down to who made the least mistakes. Jim McGuinness just feels if his team played to their maximum potential they would have won the game, I don't see why that statement is delusional.

JimTheLegend (Donegal) - Posts: 247 - 21/10/2014 12:52:46    1665743

In fairness I understand the defensiveness of kerry people.
They are fully aware that the planets aligned for them this year in a way they were not expecting and when the wins came for them it surprised everyone, most of all kerry folk.
So even though they recognise that the Gods of luck and fortune shone on them in Championship 2014 I understand why they have to spin it as a something different. It has to fit comfortably into the history books and not have questions asked about it by anyone or for it not to be as well regarded as other AI wins!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 21/10/2014 13:17:33    1665750

I must say that I was always a fan of Kerry but that had finished for sure. From the arrogance of Kieran Donaghy in his post match interview, added with Spillanes arrogant comments and very dismissive comments of Donegal by Fitzmaurice and some team members in various interviews post final I feel that they are extremely bad winners. We all know that Kerry have a great tradition and have provided some of the best footballers in the history of the GAA but the attitude coming from Kerry by some is that we should all bow down and kiss their feet at every opportunity is tiresome.
Donegal didn't play well in the final and were deservedly beaten. I haven't heard a Donegal man say otherwise but the fact remains that the best team in Ireland were caught out in the Semi Final by a combination of a great display by Donegal both on the sideline and on the pitch and the poor reactions of the Dublin sideline.
Donegal's chances are very slim to get back to an All Ireland any time soon but I would relish a match up between Dublin and this mediocre Kerry team in 2015. Even with the Gooch and Tommy Walsh I'd fancy Dublin to bring this Kerry arrogance down a peg or two.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 21/10/2014 13:25:39    1665752

I have to agree with the KerryMan on this, Donegal were not beaten because they played below par, they were beaten by the Kerry system of play. Donegal could not get away with the usual style of play, forcing turnovers and sucker punch style of football. They couldnt get away with it as Kerry set up as a mirror image of Donegal and held their nerve.

This propaganda about not playing to full potential is nonsense, if your cant get motivated for an All Ireland Final against Kerry then what can you get motviated for?

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 21/10/2014 13:34:36    1665761

JimTheLegend
County: Donegal

If both team played to their maximum then who knows what the outcome would be. But this game boiled down to who made the least mistakes. Jim McGuinness just feels if his team played to their maximum potential they would have won the game, I don't see why that statement is delusional.

Hi Jim, he didnt say this. He said they might even have won the gamerather than would have won it. I think we need to be clear about this, as it is adding fuel to a debate that we can do without.

I would say you are spot on about who made the least number of mistakes would have won the game, and this is the way it panned out. You have got to credit kerry for this, they showed a good bit of composure to see the match through, even though it was by no means a classic.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 21/10/2014 13:40:51    1665762

Cacs
A preliminary game v Tyrone in Ballybofey in the only provincial championship worth playing!!!

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 21/10/2014 14:11:33    1665770

Think the original poster is trying to create an issue where there isn't one.

That Donegal didnt play the way they wanted to and that Kerry didn't let them are not two mutually exclusive facts, but rather the two things are inextricably linked.

McGuinness is a gentleman. Fact.

hermann (Derry) - Posts: 170 - 21/10/2014 14:55:33    1665787

Tir Conaill Abu, to be fair I don't think donaghy was being arrogant in his post match interview. What he said may rub some people up the wrong way because it was a bit full on or whatever but it was not arrogant. He simply responded to someone who had been crticising him and his team throughout the year. I know his response was a bit unorthodox but arrogant? It is also a lot better to see a player speaking his mind rather than the usual waffle we hear in interviews. Can you fill me in on when Eamon Fitz said anything arrogant or insulting about Donegal? I would be surprised if this was the case but if you have a link can you send it on because that sounds very out of character for him.
Obviously you're entitled to your opinion on kerry people but I don't think you should be judging a whole county by a few comments selected here or there that you perceive as arrogant. This forum only has a handful of people from every county on it so it is in no way representative of any county's overall opinions on anything. Also an awful lot of people on here are only trying to wind other people up and do not contribute genuine opinions so try not to tarnish all of us kerry people as arrogant based on so little evidence. For the record, and from most fellow kerry people I know, we mostly believe that we were very fortunate to win the all ireland this year and that it was highly unexpected. However every team that wins an all ireland is fortunate along the way and gets a few breaks here and there. I also believe that whoever wins it deserves to win it and this is also the case this year, not everyone will agree with this but its just an opinion. But because certain people are trying to degrade the win by saying Kerry are a poor team or the ref beat mayo or they did'nt have to play dublin, this results in kerry people becoming defensive. If a team wins it then they should not have to listen to this rubbish constantly being regurgitated. I have nothing but respect for donegal and everything they have achieved in the game and I genuinely hope they remain just as competitive without Jim McG as they were with him, I think you will find most genuine kerry fans feel the same.

anon1234 (Kerry) - Posts: 19 - 21/10/2014 15:00:57    1665788

Nothing arrogant about Donaghy at all.
Brolly has been slagging off Kerry football since 2003, but as soon as Donaghy gives him a bit of stick back he gets taken to task over it. To be honest I think that the Kerry men deserve credit for not rising to Brollys bait more often.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 21/10/2014 16:18:00    1665818

However every team that wins an all ireland is fortunate along the way and gets a few breaks here and there. I also believe that whoever wins it deserves to win it and this is also the case this year, not everyone will agree with this but its just an opinion. But because certain people are trying to degrade the win by saying Kerry are a poor team or the ref beat mayo
anon1234
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Nice sentiments!....Now replace the word Kerry with Dublin, the word Mayo with Kerry and the game being spoke about here with All Ireland Final 2011.....You will find that you are describing perfectly the bitterness and sore loserness of kerry people after that game!

Dont lecture others on the above when after that AI Final of 2011 every one of your own countymen on HS proved to be the masters of the bitter word / excuse / whinge / 'if onlys' / 'only fors' / shudda wudda cudda.....!!!!

There was no nicities of "every winning team gets a bit of luck" spoken by kerry people after that game only excuses and a refusal to acknowledge that a 'better team' is one that comes from being 0-04 down with only 7 mins left on the clock to win an AI Final!

Kerry arrogance is very real lad....thats why the 'Cold Bowl of Capital Comeuppance' was served to it as a tasty treat in 2011!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 21/10/2014 17:01:49    1665836

With the pursuit if excellence comes the danger of arrogance. I don't this Kerry team is guilty of that. They worked hard, played well and never gave up... but... they know they were lucky, that they will soon need to be better and others will be better.

McGuinness needs to know that his system is anathema to the game. Players like Murphy and McHugh need to figure more if it is to prosper. If some call that bad grace then so be it. I won't lie and say that the defeats by Offaly in 82 or by Tyrone in 08 were anything other than painful, but, and this is important, they taught the Kingdom lessons that they won't forget easily (especially as it's a blow to your pride when others do it all better than you, on that given Sunday).

Real Kerry fans most likely were simply relieved this year as much as anything. I also suspect that their growing regard for Fitzmaurice is something which may stand to him here after. Not many managers could have done what he did- and there was no roaring or rooting at the end either. He may have more days out in September but he's some man if he can top this performance

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 21/10/2014 17:20:57    1665852

In 11, in my fairweather friend capacity, I was convinced that Kerry left it behind them. They should have shut it out but didn't. Fair play to Dublin that year (although I think Kerry would do more with that pool of talent, and the same is true of Mayo). That said, the team that shudda won this year was Mayo. If they manage it next year, most Kerry fans will be happy for them... but only if they aren't in the final themselves, obviously.

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 21/10/2014 17:37:00    1665861

Dont agree with snuf at all. I found that Kerry people were very gracious after the all Ireland final of 2011.
The general consensus was that the ref favoured Dublin that day but people from all over the country said that. In fact I think that non kerry people complained more about the ref than Kerry people.
"Dublin deserve an all Ireland so we wont be nit picking" - Jack O connor, the then Kerry manager said that after a reporter tried to press him on the issue.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 21/10/2014 17:39:40    1665863

plike
County: Kerry


McGuinness needs to know that his system is anathema to the game. Players like Murphy and McHugh need to figure more if it is to prosper. If some call that bad grace then so be it

Many people including myself agree with this, but this is not the issue of the thread. The issue at hand is certain quarters from kerry accusing McGuinness being disrespectful to the winners, and not giving them credit, something that has proven to be far off the mark.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 21/10/2014 19:59:52    1665919

joncarter
County: Galway
Posts: 1352

1665863
Dont agree with snuf at all. I found that Kerry people were very gracious after the all Ireland final of 2011.
The general consensus was that the ref favoured Dublin that day but people from all over the country said that. In fact I think that non kerry people complained more about the ref than Kerry people.
"Dublin deserve an all Ireland so we wont be nit picking" - Jack O connor, the then Kerry manager said that after a reporter tried to press him on the issue.


jack o connor was just raging they lost
he thought he was smart in 2009 coming up the line with 10 mins to go in a league game in parnell park
to try and chat with pat gilroy asking him how he is finding the pressure
it kind of came back to bit him in the end as gilroy had the last laugh after that final

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/10/2014 20:01:36    1665921

Plume
JMcG system was very successful for Donegal, we ended up competing with and BEATING the TOP teams in Ireland over a four year period. Now that was with a team that had suffered massive losses in 09/10. I think anything from nine to eleven players played in Crossmaglen in 2010 they won the 2012 All Ireland. It was a massive transformation in Donegal in a few years and JIMMY must get massive credit. I think this Kerry poster was wrong in starting this thread::::I don't think JMcG was trying to make excuses nor was he being disrespectful to Kerry.
Are people from other counties not allowed to express an opinion or is it just Kerry people whose county have 37 and as some Kerry posters say :: and counting , are they the only ones who should be listened to and what they say taken as gospel. As regards Murphy and MC hugh well it worked all year( between them they must have won around five MOM all season) but on the big day they probably failed to shine. Which happens toa lot of players on All Ireland final day.
Kerry are this year's champions, you win some you loose some and it takes everyone of those experiences to make us what we are. It all part and parcel of the gift of life.
Back in the early summer I postedon HS ::::: the differences between Donegal fans and DUBLIN /Kerry fans is that Donegal fans don't know what it's liketo loose an All Ireland::: well time caught up with us in September

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 21/10/2014 21:13:12    1665971

Indeed it did Sam and you sound like you now know it's not something to want to experience too often.
Don't know where this guy got this idea about JMG from.Didn't like the style of football he was play alright but fair is fair.A bit sad really and disappointing from Kerry folk.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 21/10/2014 21:39:48    1665984