Connolly is the best player in the country, possibly in the history of the game too. If he continues his form over the next few years, then he could be lauded as the best ever. JOD is a class act, but not in the same league.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 21/10/2014 13:13:10    1665749

Clowndalkin
Connolly scored 5 points from out around the 40 where Donegal don't really put pressure on players every1 knows that , and they were fine points that he scored , but donaghy and geaney scored goals against that defence that ye'r raving about and Connolly didn't ,and 37% of dubs blame him for the Donegal defeat check it out on the poll on the Dublin page. And p.s donaghy goal was brilliant , for a guy of his size to be that composed to pass the ball in to the net passed the best goalie in Ireland is something special IMO.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/10/2014 13:17:36    1665751

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In fairness joe_Bloggs, he kicked some really bad wides in the Donegal game when Dublin needed him most. He done some good things too, but you couldn't say he had a good game in all honesty. As for comparing Legion to St. Vincents, I will stop you right there - safe you breath, as nobody in their right mind would take that comparison seriously.

I agree with HenryHill and think he has summed it up well. If Connolly is Ronaldo, then Cooper is Maradona.

He did kick a few bad wides that he normally gets alrite and missed a great goal chance but only for him there would have been way more between the sides. 4 points from play against that Donegal is fair shooting. In your view he needs to score 7 / 8 points with no wides to consider him playing well.
Legion knocked Crokes out of the championship a few weeks ago. The comparison is about club footballers because people dont rate what Connolly is doing for Vincents because its only club football, is the club championship in Dublin miles ahead of the Kerry one then or what?

Thats fair enough, Ronaldo for me all day long!

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 21/10/2014 13:32:50    1665760

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Point taken soma and Gael 85 point taken i was going on hill16no1man post who i wrongly presumed he would know about his own player, i remember him missing a number of chances in that game. Joe bloggs i dont know what rubbish you are talking about i have no bias towards either Kerry or Dublin, i just can Jod did more at the business end of the championship and that is why he deserves his poty. You mention Ronaldo well he score a lot more goals if he was playing against league 2 defenders every week instead of la liga defenders every week.


dont go looking for excuses pal!!!!
i may have got the number of points he kicked wrong but i didnt say he didnt score in the second half
that was your own assumption!!!
i was showing how himself and paul flynn alone could have had the game won after 25 mins and you know full well thats what i ment.
you clearly stated he was nowhere to be seen in the second half so regardless of what he scored you obviously
thaught he was no good in the second half so stop back pedalling and looking for somebody to blame

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/10/2014 14:14:00    1665771

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Connolly is the best player in the country, possibly in the history of the game too. If he continues his form over the next few years, then he could be lauded as the best ever. JOD is a class act, but not in the same league.

steady on man haha
he has had great year but we will reserve the best player ever for another day haha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/10/2014 14:15:26    1665772

Maybe the name of the award should be changed to the GAA football championship player of the year , that way this thread would be obsolete , Connolly could be GAA club championship player of the year mark lynch could be GAA football league player of the year and JOD with the big one . Everybody wins , plus Connolly didn't play against any division 1 defences in the championship so how could he be given player of the year, it would be a total joke IMO.
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JOD is only 24 years old, and Connolly is 28 and is as good as he'l ever be at the moment where as James hasn't hit his peak yet.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/10/2014 14:18:56    1665776

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You say Connolly got 5 points against Donegal and that no Kerry player got near that in the final, well Paul geaney scored 1-02 which equals 5 points and donaghy scored 1-02 which also equals 5 points, I was on the Dublin page yesterday and there is a poll that's asks how did Dublin managed to lose to Donegal and 37 % of dubs believe it's Connollys fault , check it out if ye don't believe me.
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No I didn't say that. I said he scored 5 and no Kerryman scored 5. Geaney got 3 scores and so did Donaghy. I don't know of anyone blaming Connolly for losing that game but some people may look at his missed goal opportunity. Do you think that makes him a bad player? Look at his points v Donegal, his scores in the league for Dublin, his performance in the club final and last weekends exhibition. Now tell me that another player has played to that level this year. I can't think of one.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 21/10/2014 14:33:48    1665778

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Yes but surely POTY should go to the player who exhibited the most skill throughout the year


* at the highest level.

Giving a guy the POTY because of club form, over a guy who was superior at county level, is like giving the balon dor to a guy who scores 40 goals in the league of Ireland over a guy who got 39 in the champions league. Plus, the quality of his club team has to be considered, they would beat some county teams. He is always going to do better in that environment than JOD at his club side, who would be considered outsiders in Kerry, never mind on a countrywide scale. POTY was never given on the back of the club championship in the past, and the reason for that is that the intercounty championship is a far higher level of football.

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Yes but master surely your LOI analogy is totally flawed. How many LOI players play international? Now how many IC players play club football? All of them! So there's the answer surely. In playing well in club football you are playing against the elite in Gaelic football. Club football is the equivalent of champions league in soccer.

Anyway, as we know, DC has done it at IC level also. So all in all he has been performing top notch at all levels.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 21/10/2014 14:41:10    1665780

Joe_Bloggs
He did kick a few bad wides that he normally gets alrite and missed a great goal chance but only for him there would have been way more between the sides. 4 points from play against that Donegal is fair shooting. In your view he needs to score 7 / 8 points with no wides to consider him playing well.

No, he just has to not let his team down when they need him most. Not rocket science. If you look at JOD against mayo, when they needed him, and even though he had Higgins breathing down his neck, he delivered. Connolly against Donegal was similar, and he had the chances but didn't deliver. That was the defining factor between them this year.


Legion knocked Crokes out of the championship a few weeks ago. The comparison is about club footballers because people dont rate what Connolly is doing for Vincents because its only club football, is the club championship in Dublin miles ahead of the Kerry one then or what?

Frankly because vincents are basically a county team playing club football, while legion are not even the main team in their small town.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 21/10/2014 14:42:06    1665782

Let's be honest here JOD did nothing in the all Ireland final a few hand passes here and there but nothing else, if kerry lost he would of been slated for having a terrible game.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/10/2014 15:01:33    1665789

Completely agree with my fellow Countyman.

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 21/10/2014 15:05:49    1665792

Performance of the league - JOD V Tyrone
Performance of the champo - JOD V Cork
JOD got his chance V Mayo and goaled - DC got his chance V Donegal and fluffed it..nuf said.

blacknamber (Kerry) - Posts: 267 - 21/10/2014 15:45:19    1665801

o donoghue very good 2nd half v donegal..set up a lot of scores and got on the ball a lot..effectively playing at half forward

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 21/10/2014 16:08:33    1665809

Connolly v the Great Wall outstanding JOD v the Great Wall terrible nuff said.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/10/2014 16:08:47    1665810

player of the year is judge on inter county performances..some dub fans cant just change the criteria because it is one of their players doing all this stuff at club when you consider the amount of great footballers in smaller counties whos exploits are continously ignored..o donoghue the clear player of the year winner..connolly a brilliant footballer and probably deserves 2nd place for his performances for dublin

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 21/10/2014 16:13:44    1665813

If this is a PYOTY Debate, its Neil McGee!!

beidhmeanseo (Donegal) - Posts: 137 - 21/10/2014 16:15:35    1665815

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Maybe the name of the award should be changed to the GAA football championship player of the year , that way this thread would be obsolete , Connolly could be GAA club championship player of the year mark lynch could be GAA football league player of the year and JOD with the big one . Everybody wins , plus Connolly didn't play against any division 1 defences in the championship so how could he be given player of the year, it would be a total joke IMO.
Donegalman
JOD is only 24 years old, and Connolly is 28 and is as good as he'l ever be at the moment where as James hasn't hit his peak yet.

that makes no sense at all man.
so you have narrowed it down to three players
connolly,lynch and o donoughe
now that bit is fine
then evaluate what all 3 guys done over the course of 2014
to award one of them the footballer of the year for 2014
that is the name of the award so whats wrong with judging a player on how he played for the entire year?
o donoughe performed in the championship
lynch performed in the league
whereas connolly performed in the club championship, the league and the championship
for me he performed more consitently throught 2014
so thats why i believe he deserves footballer of the year for 2014

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/10/2014 17:02:58    1665837

21/10/2014 15:01:33
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1665789 Let's be honest here JOD did nothing in the all Ireland final a few hand passes here and there but nothing else, if kerry lost he would of been slated for having a terrible game.
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I disagree he restricted his man (Neil McGee) to one point which was a good return

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 21/10/2014 17:04:19    1665838

the master

Frankly because vincents are basically a county team playing club football, while legion are not even the main team in their small town.

absoultly rubbish!
how are vincents basically a county team?
connolly and brennan are the only current dublin players on their team

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/10/2014 17:14:17    1665845

Hill you are the one who is back paddling you said he scored 5 points in the first 20 minutes which was wrong and bearing in mind he scored 5 points in the whole match, that is what i was basing my assumption on. I am sure every county in Ireland are littered with examples of if only he scored we might have won but he did not and Donegal were the better team on the day.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 21/10/2014 17:15:35    1665846