No need to change minds bul, as has already been stated umpteen times before it's casement or nowhere.
Now let's be realistic and honest here, we are all long enough in the tooth to know the DUP would love nothing better than to pull the plug on casement and the gaa getting their stadium.

I disagree though, because there is no evidence to suggest the location of a Provincial Stadium of Ulster can't be moved to a more suitable location. The fact remains, this location has not been challenged at all, so you don't whether they will budge or not.

That is the most important fact Gary continually ignores. It ain't going to omagh, Ballygawley or Middletown for that matter.
So if you really hate the thought of casement being a provincial stadium then as has been stated before, simply vote with your feet. Alternatively you can embrace it like most others will do and I would hope it will be a positive experience for all who attend games there.

Your selling this as the "Only Show in town", and that had been a fundamental flaw with the Proposed Casement Park from day 1, the GAA didn't have the balls to look at or suggest an alternative location.

As for the supposed white elephant argument, I would like to remind you that this will also be antrims ground so in conjunction with county games there will be continued use by Antrim clubs, colleges and schools as well as ulster clubs, colleges and schools not to mention Camogie and ladies football. I would also like to remind you that It will also cater for handball clubs and schools in the area as well with handball courts as part of the development.

The Ulster Council have clearly stated this Proposed £77 million Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial GAA Stadium of Ulster, simply to justify the vast amount of money that is being Invested in it. Because aside from the amount of money being spent, the actual location is far from being the most suitable. Antrim could have a County ground to rival every other County in Ulster for a small fraction of that money, and the rest of Ulster wouldn't be regularly required to attend games there in the Far Eastern reaches of Ulster.

So believe me this will be no white elephant for Belfast and Antrim galls in particular. It will be central, in fact crucial, to trying to engage positively with kids and schools in the area re promotion of our games.
The most important aspect of the development is the filip it will give Belfast gaa in particular cannot be emphasised enough. So is that not good for our games or is it more important that journey times are shorter as Gary seems to prefer
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1504 - 15/11/2016 23:53:10 1934554

This stopped being about Belfast or Antrim Gael's the minute Ulster GAA decided this Proposed Casement was to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster for the next 30 years or so. From that point on, they should have been considering Gael's from all 9 Counties of Ulster.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 16/11/2016 08:51:37    1934575

the Far Eastern reaches of Ulster

is that just past Siberia?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 16/11/2016 14:24:45    1934685

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 16/11/2016 15:45:43    1934727

Replying To SaffronDon: "the Far Eastern reaches of Ulster

is that just past Siberia?"
Think the extreme east of the Province is Portavogie or somewhere round there. It's somewhere in County Down anywhere.
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts:3158 - 16/11/2016 15:45:43 193

Oh must have hit a nerve, got two responses from the Antrim Insiders.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 16/11/2016 21:37:37    1934867

Reasons why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project.

PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.

FACTS

- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion ( Proposed Capacity was recently reduced, meaning future expansion is very unlikely). Ulster will remain the only Province in Ireland with no 40,000 Capacity Stadium.

- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has arguably worst parking than Clones!! and lack of parking provisions in planning mean Stadium designers had to add "Park & Ride" facilities to cope with crowds of GAA fans. Casement has not held matches for crowds over 30,000 in modern times, and its parking is deemed insufficient for that number of people.

- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.

- EXCESSIVE COST: The Proposed 34,000 Capacity Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, with 45,770 Capacity Pairc Ui Chaoimh in Cork costing €60 million. A central ground like Healy Park in Omagh could be expanded or upgraded for £20-25 million.

- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that
- Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports),
- They rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc),
- They don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 16/11/2016 21:39:32    1934869

Yes, I can confirm I am inside Antrim. I can also confirm that no part of Antrim is in the extreme east of the Province. But here, must go and get the sheep in - she's feeling wintry out there.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 16/11/2016 22:09:51    1934883

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 16/11/2016 22:23:50    1934901

Yes, I can confirm I am inside Antrim. I can also confirm that no part of Antrim is in the extreme east of the Province. But here, must go and get the sheep in - she's feeling wintry out there.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts:3159 - 16/11/2016 22:09:51 1

The East side of County Antrim is part of the East coast of Ulster, with the North Channel / Irish Sea running along its shores. Belfast City is also along technically on the east coast via Belfast Lough, and is thus can be considered to be on the extreme east of Ulster ( IE. On the East Coast, rather than be simply on the eastern side of Ulster like say Craigavon).

So that's what you are reduced to now.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 16/11/2016 22:34:56    1934911

yeah, the rest of Ireland by en large don't seem to give a toss about your 'awareness' campaign
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:1029 - 16/11/2016 22:23:50

Don't know about that, It seems you Antrim posters are the only ones passionate about it going ahead these days. Yourself, Offside and bumpernut are the only ones blindly shouting in favour of it, and well bumpernut bloody works on the project, making his motives even more suspicious and questionable. Now I hope you noticed I just said Antrim posters, rather than Antrim people, as I hear quite a few around Casement aren't in favour of it either.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 16/11/2016 22:40:37    1934913

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 16/11/2016 22:57:04    1934915

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 16/11/2016 23:27:44    1934930

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 17/11/2016 11:31:25    1935019

I welcome the RWC bid, even if Derry doesn't end up staging a match. But having regularly witnessed Ireland's biggest Halloween street festival every year, and big events like the City of Culture in 2013, Fleadh Ceoil, Clipper race, I know Derry City would do a great job as hosts.

Well the A5 dual carriageway is going ahead in stages, and will link Derry City to Monaghan eventually, for now its looking like the Derry-Strabane section is going ahead very soon, as it didn't have objections like the outskirts of Omagh did. So the route will definitely Improve, but It will be a slower process and some parts will remain single lane until this mess is sorted. I think a the majority of the funding is still there for the whole A5 project.

I think farmers near Omagh wanted more money per acre, comparable to prices in England. And when they were refused, some rare snail or slug was found on a bush or grass near some river, it was highlighted to the environmental group who halted the project, saying a proper environmental study wasn't carried out. A lot of people privately suspect this was all a ploy, but proving that is difficult.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts:2889 - 16/11/2016 22:57:59

And there was me thinking you were against rugby being played in a GAA Stadium and heavens above you have the temerity to ask a supporter in Limerick or Cork to drive 5/6hrs to Derry to watch a match whilst completely ignoring athlone and/or Mullingar.

It also seems that the real reason you want casement to fail is so the games can be played in Derry.

And it seems you are also happy to ignore residents and environmental groups for your own parochial reasons.

Quick someone grab that mask!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 17/11/2016 12:58:42    1935063

And there was me thinking you were against rugby being played in a GAA Stadium and heavens above you have the temerity to ask a supporter in Limerick or Cork to drive 5/6hrs to Derry to watch a match whilst completely ignoring athlone and/or Mullingar.

You clearly didn't read the whole conversation between myself and the Tipperary poster, a conversation relating to the A5 development that actually began last summer when that particular poster couldn't believe Breffni Park in Cavan was selected as the mid point between Derry and Tipperary for the Derry v Tipp Qualifier match.

I've never been against Rugby being played in a GAA Stadium, I just don't like a unsuitable GAA stadium being built solely for a Rugby tournament, then Ulster GAA fans are thrown it as if it some great gift.

It also seems that the real reason you want casement to fail is so the games can be played in Derry.

Where does that seem to be the case? I very clearly said I welcome the RWC even if Derry doesn't end up hosting a match. I have also posted recently that I would only support Derry's Celtic Park hosting a game so long as they don't spend millions upgrading it for that purpose. I don't particularly care if Derry misses out, I still think hosting the RWC will give Ireland a major morale boost. We just shouldn't get stupid over it, spending millions on facilities that will be of little use afterwards.


And it seems you are also happy to ignore residents and environmental groups for your own parochial reasons.
Quick someone grab that mask!
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1506 - 17/11/2016 12:58:42

No, I would never Ignore the concerns of a residents group. My own aunt/uncle, like others between Strabane and Omagh was informed a number of years ago that his home was in the path of the proposed A5 route and I am more than aware of the stress and concerns of residents.

I actually referred to the Alternative A5 Alliance group. I know some people who have concerns over who is running the Alternative A5 Alliance group, with some believing this well funded group are simply opposed to any kind of improved link between Derry and Dublin, and have used a variety of tactics to stall it. These range from demanding extortionate prices per acre (I heard similar prices to what was paid around the London Olympics), to suggesting spending £330 million upgrading public transport, to eventually raising environmental concerns.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 18/11/2016 10:05:33    1935267

Replying To GaryMc82: "yeah, the rest of Ireland by en large don't seem to give a toss about your 'awareness' campaign
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:1029 - 16/11/2016 22:23:50

Don't know about that, It seems you Antrim posters are the only ones passionate about it going ahead these days. Yourself, Offside and bumpernut are the only ones blindly shouting in favour of it, and well bumpernut bloody works on the project, making his motives even more suspicious and questionable. Now I hope you noticed I just said Antrim posters, rather than Antrim people, as I hear quite a few around Casement aren't in favour of it either."
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yeah, quite a few being around 10%. But you've never let the facts get in the way of a good rant, so preach on reverend.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:1031 - 16/11/2016 23:27:44 193

Again, after I posted the message you quoted, yourself, Offside and Casement Design team member Bumperbut all reply. All 3 from Antrim, all with selfish reasons for this clearly unsuitable venue going ahead.

The fact you ruthlessly question the Casement Park residents opposed to this proposal, shows yourself and Offside (Like Bumpernut) probably have a vested Interest in this project going ahead. Despite the numerous clear reasons why Casement Park is not anywhere near suitable as Provincial Stadium, you 3 are blindly backing this.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 18/11/2016 10:16:39    1935279

Reasons why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project.

PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.

FACTS

- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion ( Proposed Capacity was recently reduced, meaning future expansion is very unlikely). Ulster will remain the only Province in Ireland with no 40,000 Capacity Stadium.

- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has arguably worst parking than Clones!! and lack of parking provisions in planning mean Stadium designers had to add "Park & Ride" facilities to cope with crowds of GAA fans. Casement has not held matches for crowds over 30,000 in modern times, and its parking is deemed insufficient for that number of people.

- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.

- EXCESSIVE COST: The Proposed 34,000 Capacity Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, with 45,770 Capacity Pairc Ui Chaoimh in Cork costing €60 million. A central ground like Healy Park in Omagh could be expanded or upgraded for £20-25 million.

- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that
- Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports),
- They rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc),
- They don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 18/11/2016 10:17:36    1935280

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 18/11/2016 10:20:06    1935281

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 18/11/2016 10:24:54    1935284

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 18/11/2016 10:46:18    1935288

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 18/11/2016 11:10:50    1935298