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Replying To GaryMc82: "i think you've worn the alternatives to death at this stage and while Casement is only a proposal it is one more proposal than anything you are talking about. what is the point in talking about something that isn't going to happen? if Casement is a non runner there will be no alternative, end of story.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:976 - 27/10/2016 08:58:25
No alternatives were examined before or after the Initial Casement Park proposal, none!!..........nothing even remotely looked at.
Now I wouldn't give a rats arse if the Stadium was being built solely for Antrim GAA as a new home, I would say fair play ta ye boys. But It was clear during the publicity launch of the original proposal that this Stadium was being earmarked to serve a Provincial function.
Had the Ulster GAA looked at a wide variety of options with Ulster GAA fans in mind, and then determined and demonstrated Casement was by the best option, I would be happy that all avenues were examined and a choice was made for the long-term good of the travelling fans of Ulster, who will contribute the majority of financial support to Ulster GAA for the next 30+ years.
It is right to ask hard questions, especially when it appears nobody else has." well it would look a bit daft if the new Casement goes ahead and they decide not to make it the provincial stadium. The GAA are basically being gifted a free stadium that HAS to be in Belfast. Who knows, but if it was the GAA's choice and their money they might prefer to build it in Omagh or wherever, but they aren't financing this so they are doing what anyone else would do in their position and that's, accept the new stadium and flaunt it as their proud new provincial stadium (on the same location that was used before The Troubles as the provincial stadium, so it has tradition!).
Looking at the images of the new stadium plan, it is something any organisation would be proud to call their own. Anyone that thinks differently are simply just living in the past. I tell you what Gary, the minute the GAA want to invest their own money in a new state of the art stadium in one of the other 8 counties in Ulster, we'll have a good oul sensible debate on here about where the provincial should then be. As things stand I think we are done here.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 27/10/2016 14:51:34
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Replying To Breffni39: "How is it nit-picking? I'm not arguing for/against Clones/Casement just stating the fact that Clones is not in the extreme south of Ulster no matter what you want to look at it. It's like saying Omagh is in the extreme west."
In terms of travel time and access via roads, Clones really is the extreme south of the Province, as it takes approximately as long to reach it as any other point. A key problem for fans around Ulster that the new Casement won't address either.
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well it would look a bit daft if the new Casement goes ahead and they decide not to make it the provincial stadium. The GAA are basically being gifted a free stadium that HAS to be in Belfast. Who knows, but if it was the GAA's choice and their money they might prefer to build it in Omagh or wherever, but they aren't financing this so they are doing what anyone else would do in their position and that's, accept the new stadium and flaunt it as their proud new provincial stadium (on the same location that was used before The Troubles as the provincial stadium, so it has tradition!).
Looking at the images of the new stadium plan, it is something any organisation would be proud to call their own. Anyone that thinks differently are simply just living in the past. I tell you what Gary, the minute the GAA want to invest their own money in a new state of the art stadium in one of the other 8 counties in Ulster, we'll have a good oul sensible debate on here about where the provincial should then be. As things stand I think we are done here.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:978 - 27/10/2016 14:51:34
I disagree about the money being strictly conditional, I accept the British will play hardball on the matter and made a veiled threat to the GAA that the money must be spent in Belfast. However this can and should be challenged, and as we get closer to the Rugby World Cup, which has a powerful lobby group behind it, I think positions would soften.
The problem right now is that the GAA haven't negotiated or asked for other sites to be considered, which worries me greatly, especially considering how poorly planned the initial proposal was. Corporate Croke Park have become disconnected from the wider GAA community in recent times, It's all money money money, and those who contribute the most are the least regarded when it comes to facilities or planning.
Hell think back to the 2014 All Ireland football Semi final replay, It had to be played in Limerick because an American Football match was booked in Croke Park!! It's time Gaelic Games and the GAA fan started taking priority when it comes to GAA venues and facilities, whats the point of having facilities if you can't benefit from them. Same applies to this Casement proposal, they are willing to locate a £77 million stadium in Belfast just for a Rugby World cup which will last a month and not give consideration to the thousands of GAA fans.
Casement is essentially a doggy bag for GAA fans after the IRFU has finished its 5 Course dinner. And you support this approach.
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Replying To GaryMc82: "well it would look a bit daft if the new Casement goes ahead and they decide not to make it the provincial stadium. The GAA are basically being gifted a free stadium that HAS to be in Belfast. Who knows, but if it was the GAA's choice and their money they might prefer to build it in Omagh or wherever, but they aren't financing this so they are doing what anyone else would do in their position and that's, accept the new stadium and flaunt it as their proud new provincial stadium (on the same location that was used before The Troubles as the provincial stadium, so it has tradition!).
Looking at the images of the new stadium plan, it is something any organisation would be proud to call their own. Anyone that thinks differently are simply just living in the past. I tell you what Gary, the minute the GAA want to invest their own money in a new state of the art stadium in one of the other 8 counties in Ulster, we'll have a good oul sensible debate on here about where the provincial should then be. As things stand I think we are done here.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:978 - 27/10/2016 14:51:34
I disagree about the money being strictly conditional, I accept the British will play hardball on the matter and made a veiled threat to the GAA that the money must be spent in Belfast. However this can and should be challenged, and as we get closer to the Rugby World Cup, which has a powerful lobby group behind it, I think positions would soften.
The problem right now is that the GAA haven't negotiated or asked for other sites to be considered, which worries me greatly, especially considering how poorly planned the initial proposal was. Corporate Croke Park have become disconnected from the wider GAA community in recent times, It's all money money money, and those who contribute the most are the least regarded when it comes to facilities or planning.
Hell think back to the 2014 All Ireland football Semi final replay, It had to be played in Limerick because an American Football match was booked in Croke Park!! It's time Gaelic Games and the GAA fan started taking priority when it comes to GAA venues and facilities, whats the point of having facilities if you can't benefit from them. Same applies to this Casement proposal, they are willing to locate a £77 million stadium in Belfast just for a Rugby World cup which will last a month and not give consideration to the thousands of GAA fans.
Casement is essentially a doggy bag for GAA fans after the IRFU has finished its 5 Course dinner. And you support this approach." Once the new Casement is built and the fans are enjoying decent, comfortable facilities they will quickly adapt. Of course building the new GAA stadium in Belfast is political, sure everyone knows that. Why don't Ulster GAA folk outside Belfast and Antrim take this up with their MLA's if they are so furious at the new stadium and don't vote for them again. Maybe all the outraged rural GAA folk should take it further and stop coming to their Civil Service, NHS, teaching, building and contracting jobs in Belfast if they are so anti the city? I think it was bumpernut who said that it's nothing other than Ulster GAA snobbery amongst many Tyrone, Derry, Down people etc and he/she is so correct.
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Replying To GaryMc82: "well it would look a bit daft if the new Casement goes ahead and they decide not to make it the provincial stadium. The GAA are basically being gifted a free stadium that HAS to be in Belfast. Who knows, but if it was the GAA's choice and their money they might prefer to build it in Omagh or wherever, but they aren't financing this so they are doing what anyone else would do in their position and that's, accept the new stadium and flaunt it as their proud new provincial stadium (on the same location that was used before The Troubles as the provincial stadium, so it has tradition!).
Looking at the images of the new stadium plan, it is something any organisation would be proud to call their own. Anyone that thinks differently are simply just living in the past. I tell you what Gary, the minute the GAA want to invest their own money in a new state of the art stadium in one of the other 8 counties in Ulster, we'll have a good oul sensible debate on here about where the provincial should then be. As things stand I think we are done here.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:978 - 27/10/2016 14:51:34
I disagree about the money being strictly conditional, I accept the British will play hardball on the matter and made a veiled threat to the GAA that the money must be spent in Belfast. However this can and should be challenged, and as we get closer to the Rugby World Cup, which has a powerful lobby group behind it, I think positions would soften.
The problem right now is that the GAA haven't negotiated or asked for other sites to be considered, which worries me greatly, especially considering how poorly planned the initial proposal was. Corporate Croke Park have become disconnected from the wider GAA community in recent times, It's all money money money, and those who contribute the most are the least regarded when it comes to facilities or planning.
Hell think back to the 2014 All Ireland football Semi final replay, It had to be played in Limerick because an American Football match was booked in Croke Park!! It's time Gaelic Games and the GAA fan started taking priority when it comes to GAA venues and facilities, whats the point of having facilities if you can't benefit from them. Same applies to this Casement proposal, they are willing to locate a £77 million stadium in Belfast just for a Rugby World cup which will last a month and not give consideration to the thousands of GAA fans.
Casement is essentially a doggy bag for GAA fans after the IRFU has finished its 5 Course dinner. And you support this approach." there is not a chance that the location will be challenged Gary. when was the last time the Government or the GAA gave a toss about what every individual thought about their major agendas? its a done deal or a nothing whether you or anyone else likes it or not.
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I hear theyre talking about putting helipads in now so the 'conscientious objectors' don't even have to set foot on the A'town Road.
Btw Gary did you know Casement is exactly in the centre of West Belfast
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Replying To Ulsterman: " Replying To GaryMc82: "well it would look a bit daft if the new Casement goes ahead and they decide not to make it the provincial stadium. The GAA are basically being gifted a free stadium that HAS to be in Belfast. Who knows, but if it was the GAA's choice and their money they might prefer to build it in Omagh or wherever, but they aren't financing this so they are doing what anyone else would do in their position and that's, accept the new stadium and flaunt it as their proud new provincial stadium (on the same location that was used before The Troubles as the provincial stadium, so it has tradition!).
Looking at the images of the new stadium plan, it is something any organisation would be proud to call their own. Anyone that thinks differently are simply just living in the past. I tell you what Gary, the minute the GAA want to invest their own money in a new state of the art stadium in one of the other 8 counties in Ulster, we'll have a good oul sensible debate on here about where the provincial should then be. As things stand I think we are done here.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:978 - 27/10/2016 14:51:34
I disagree about the money being strictly conditional, I accept the British will play hardball on the matter and made a veiled threat to the GAA that the money must be spent in Belfast. However this can and should be challenged, and as we get closer to the Rugby World Cup, which has a powerful lobby group behind it, I think positions would soften.
The problem right now is that the GAA haven't negotiated or asked for other sites to be considered, which worries me greatly, especially considering how poorly planned the initial proposal was. Corporate Croke Park have become disconnected from the wider GAA community in recent times, It's all money money money, and those who contribute the most are the least regarded when it comes to facilities or planning.
Hell think back to the 2014 All Ireland football Semi final replay, It had to be played in Limerick because an American Football match was booked in Croke Park!! It's time Gaelic Games and the GAA fan started taking priority when it comes to GAA venues and facilities, whats the point of having facilities if you can't benefit from them. Same applies to this Casement proposal, they are willing to locate a £77 million stadium in Belfast just for a Rugby World cup which will last a month and not give consideration to the thousands of GAA fans.
Casement is essentially a doggy bag for GAA fans after the IRFU has finished its 5 Course dinner. And you support this approach." Once the new Casement is built and the fans are enjoying decent, comfortable facilities they will quickly adapt. Of course building the new GAA stadium in Belfast is political, sure everyone knows that. Why don't Ulster GAA folk outside Belfast and Antrim take this up with their MLA's if they are so furious at the new stadium and don't vote for them again. Maybe all the outraged rural GAA folk should take it further and stop coming to their Civil Service, NHS, teaching, building and contracting jobs in Belfast if they are so anti the city? I think it was bumpernut who said that it's nothing other than Ulster GAA snobbery amongst many Tyrone, Derry, Down people etc and he/she is so correct."
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Replying To brendtheredhand: " Replying To Ulsterman: "[quote=GaryMc82: "well it would look a bit daft if the new Casement goes ahead and they decide not to make it the provincial stadium. The GAA are basically being gifted a free stadium that HAS to be in Belfast. Who knows, but if it was the GAA's choice and their money they might prefer to build it in Omagh or wherever, but they aren't financing this so they are doing what anyone else would do in their position and that's, accept the new stadium and flaunt it as their proud new provincial stadium (on the same location that was used before The Troubles as the provincial stadium, so it has tradition!).
Looking at the images of the new stadium plan, it is something any organisation would be proud to call their own. Anyone that thinks differently are simply just living in the past. I tell you what Gary, the minute the GAA want to invest their own money in a new state of the art stadium in one of the other 8 counties in Ulster, we'll have a good oul sensible debate on here about where the provincial should then be. As things stand I think we are done here.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:978 - 27/10/2016 14:51:34
I disagree about the money being strictly conditional, I accept the British will play hardball on the matter and made a veiled threat to the GAA that the money must be spent in Belfast. However this can and should be challenged, and as we get closer to the Rugby World Cup, which has a powerful lobby group behind it, I think positions would soften.
The problem right now is that the GAA haven't negotiated or asked for other sites to be considered, which worries me greatly, especially considering how poorly planned the initial proposal was. Corporate Croke Park have become disconnected from the wider GAA community in recent times, It's all money money money, and those who contribute the most are the least regarded when it comes to facilities or planning.
Hell think back to the 2014 All Ireland football Semi final replay, It had to be played in Limerick because an American Football match was booked in Croke Park!! It's time Gaelic Games and the GAA fan started taking priority when it comes to GAA venues and facilities, whats the point of having facilities if you can't benefit from them. Same applies to this Casement proposal, they are willing to locate a £77 million stadium in Belfast just for a Rugby World cup which will last a month and not give consideration to the thousands of GAA fans.
Casement is essentially a doggy bag for GAA fans after the IRFU has finished its 5 Course dinner. And you support this approach." Once the new Casement is built and the fans are enjoying decent, comfortable facilities they will quickly adapt. Of course building the new GAA stadium in Belfast is political, sure everyone knows that. Why don't Ulster GAA folk outside Belfast and Antrim take this up with their MLA's if they are so furious at the new stadium and don't vote for them again. Maybe all the outraged rural GAA folk should take it further and stop coming to their Civil Service, NHS, teaching, building and contracting jobs in Belfast if they are so anti the city? I think it was bumpernut who said that it's nothing other than Ulster GAA snobbery amongst many Tyrone, Derry, Down people etc and he/she is so correct."
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 28/10/2016 14:44:09
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I am banging my head against a wall reading you're posts and I don't know where to start. Not that it would matter, because if the GAA offered helicopter transfers from every supporter's front door to Casement Park with complementary tea and sandwiches upon arrival you still wouldn't be happy.
they are willing to locate a £77 million stadium in Belfast just for a Rugby World cup which will last a month and not give consideration to the thousands of GAA fans.
Are you serious in believing that the Ulster GAA are some sort of puppets for another organisation and have put so much effort in trying to deliver a stadium solely for the benefit of the IRFU? Why all of a sudden would people you have been brought up their entire lives involved in an organisation, from club to county to provincial level, all of a sudden want to 'not give consideration' to their own association and fellow members? Yes they are committed to a stadium in Belfast, yes many would like to see a world cup game in our new stadium, but if the development of it misses the deadline for world cup inclusion the GAA will not care. What they care about is having a World Class stadium for use of OUR games which OUR members can enjoy for years to come.
You brought up parking earlier but seem to think cramming 32,000 into a tiny rural village is fine. You suggested placing the stadium in Omagh. How can a major stadium located on the outskirts of a rural medium sized town have capacity for parking yet a stadium in a city which will offer a range of transport options be unsuitable?.
You've stated how it's unfair that GAA fans should be 'forced' to go to Casement for the next 30 years. Why is that any worse than being 'forced' to go to Clones with its non existent surrounding infrastructure and embarrassing lack of facilities in the stadium itself? For most people, Clones is further away or at least the same distance as Belfast anyway. In fact for a lot of people casement is further by distance but a shorter and less stressful travel time.
This would be a Provincial Stadium, not a National or International Stadium that requires Urban infrastructural facilities. Having a National Stadium in the Capital is one thing, especially when all road networks spike out of Dublin. But we are talking about a Provincial Stadium that will serve all 9 Counties in Ulster, and that is what has been ignored here.
I fail to see your logic re Croke Park. Why is it ok for a 'national stadium' designed by 32 counties to be situated in the biggest city in the country but it's not ok for a 'provincial stadium' to be used by 9 counties to be located in the biggest city in the province? The only difference is the scale. Why do you think, as you have stated, that just because the word provincial is there that it shouldn't require urban infrastructural facilities? Just because we have been putting up with substandard facilities and lack of adequate infrastructure getting to game for generations doesn't mean that we should have to continue like that.
My final point is a general one. Anyone who loves watching our games should be thrilled at this new design. No other GAA stadium will offer better views inside the stadium to watch games. The stands are right on top of the pitch sand some of the sightlines will be incredible. Add into this the comfort and the facilities I believe our province will be home to the best place to watch Gaelic games in the country.
Antifa (Donegal) - Posts: 143 - 28/10/2016 18:10:20
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Replying To brendtheredhand: " Replying To Ulsterman: "[quote=GaryMc82: "well it would look a bit daft if the new Casement goes ahead and they decide not to make it the provincial stadium. The GAA are basically being gifted a free stadium that HAS to be in Belfast. Who knows, but if it was the GAA's choice and their money they might prefer to build it in Omagh or wherever, but they aren't financing this so they are doing what anyone else would do in their position and that's, accept the new stadium and flaunt it as their proud new provincial stadium (on the same location that was used before The Troubles as the provincial stadium, so it has tradition!).
Looking at the images of the new stadium plan, it is something any organisation would be proud to call their own. Anyone that thinks differently are simply just living in the past. I tell you what Gary, the minute the GAA want to invest their own money in a new state of the art stadium in one of the other 8 counties in Ulster, we'll have a good oul sensible debate on here about where the provincial should then be. As things stand I think we are done here.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:978 - 27/10/2016 14:51:34
I disagree about the money being strictly conditional, I accept the British will play hardball on the matter and made a veiled threat to the GAA that the money must be spent in Belfast. However this can and should be challenged, and as we get closer to the Rugby World Cup, which has a powerful lobby group behind it, I think positions would soften.
The problem right now is that the GAA haven't negotiated or asked for other sites to be considered, which worries me greatly, especially considering how poorly planned the initial proposal was. Corporate Croke Park have become disconnected from the wider GAA community in recent times, It's all money money money, and those who contribute the most are the least regarded when it comes to facilities or planning.
Hell think back to the 2014 All Ireland football Semi final replay, It had to be played in Limerick because an American Football match was booked in Croke Park!! It's time Gaelic Games and the GAA fan started taking priority when it comes to GAA venues and facilities, whats the point of having facilities if you can't benefit from them. Same applies to this Casement proposal, they are willing to locate a £77 million stadium in Belfast just for a Rugby World cup which will last a month and not give consideration to the thousands of GAA fans.
Casement is essentially a doggy bag for GAA fans after the IRFU has finished its 5 Course dinner. And you support this approach." Once the new Casement is built and the fans are enjoying decent, comfortable facilities they will quickly adapt. Of course building the new GAA stadium in Belfast is political, sure everyone knows that. Why don't Ulster GAA folk outside Belfast and Antrim take this up with their MLA's if they are so furious at the new stadium and don't vote for them again. Maybe all the outraged rural GAA folk should take it further and stop coming to their Civil Service, NHS, teaching, building and contracting jobs in Belfast if they are so anti the city? I think it was bumpernut who said that it's nothing other than Ulster GAA snobbery amongst many Tyrone, Derry, Down people etc and he/she is so correct."
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 29/10/2016 00:42:13
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I am banging my head against a wall reading you're posts and I don't know where to start. Not that it would matter, because if the GAA offered helicopter transfers from every supporter's front door to Casement Park with complementary tea and sandwiches upon arrival you still wouldn't be happy.
I understand the Antrim posters "ANTifa" being baffled that anybody is objecting to this project, but that does not excuse the major flaws of this project. With a little time and consideration this could be a magnificent project at a more suitable location.
Are you serious in believing that the Ulster GAA are some sort of puppets for another organisation and have put so much effort in trying to deliver a stadium solely for the benefit of the IRFU?
Yes I do believe Ulster GAA have been puppets, too overwhelmed by the amount of cash involved to argue. The IRFU and their counterparts in England, Scotland, Wales all originally backed Ireland's proposed bid (France & Italy only got on board more recently once Italy withdrew their bid) for a Rugby World Cup, which would essentially be like a home World Cup for them all.
The problem was that Ireland didn't have enough Stadium's of suitable standard, so deal was struck with the GAA involving the IRFU, Irish & British Governments that would see the GAA receive financial aid on both sides of the border to develop existing Grounds of the IRFU's choice. With International fans in mind, Urban Grounds in Dublin, Belfast, Cork and Limerick/Shannon were singled out, with possibly a few others to be considered in Galway and other spots.
You brought up parking earlier but seem to think cramming 32,000 into a tiny rural village is fine. You suggested placing the stadium in Omagh. How can a major stadium located on the outskirts of a rural medium sized town have capacity for parking yet a stadium in a city which will offer a range of transport options be unsuitable?.
The thing about Clones, is that despite its geographical location and really tiny roads approaching it, the bulk of 33-35,000 fans on Ulster final day who choose to drive there, will get parking. A large County town like Omagh already hosts games in Healy Park with Crowds up to 25-26,000 attending. This new Casement proposal suggests a "Park & Ride", as it cannot cater for that many people seeking to park around the ground. Why not increase Healy park by another 8-9,000 for as little as £10-20 million, and have great facility for a fraction of the cost.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 29/10/2016 14:03:57
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My final point is a general one. Anyone who loves watching our games should be thrilled at this new design. No other GAA stadium will offer better views inside the stadium to watch games. The stands are right on top of the pitch sand some of the sightlines will be incredible. Add into this the comfort and the facilities I believe our province will be home to the best place to watch Gaelic games in the country.
Antifa (Donegal) - Posts:114 - 28/10/2016 18:10:20
Have you seen detailed designs yet? Or are you basing that on the few concept pictures released that lack sufficient detail, and can only be considered concept art. Anyone who loves our games should be in favour of more careful planning, which first and foremost considers "us" the GAA fans and our specific needs.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 29/10/2016 14:05:16
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Belfast benefits? Is it not DLA that is called the Derry Living Allowance?
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts:8259 - 29/10/2016 00:42:13
The same crowd playing the poor mouth in West Belfast, saying how this Stadium will somehow rejuvenate a really deprived area, are now slagging Derry about benefits!!! It's as if Belfast doesn't receive millions every year in various EU, Cross-border peace grants to create "Community" jobs for hundreds and possibly thousands of "Made men" ( See Spotlight tv show ), who would otherwise likely be on benefits.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 29/10/2016 14:22:53
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Responding to Antifa's comments - I'm trying to answer every single part ( I couldn't answer every point in one message, as it surpassed the 4000 limit).
You've stated how it's unfair that GAA fans should be 'forced' to go to Casement for the next 30 years. Why is that any worse than being 'forced' to go to Clones with its non existent surrounding infrastructure and embarrassing lack of facilities in the stadium itself? For most people, Clones is further away or at least the same distance as Belfast anyway. In fact for a lot of people casement is further by distance but a shorter and less stressful travel time.
Clones and Belfast both can take over 2 hours to reach for many of Ulster GAA fans, which is why I struggle to understand the point in switching from one to the other at a cost of £77 million. Choose a more central location, which fans from all 9 Counties can reach in under an hour, and the Stadium would become a viable option for a lot more Gaelic games every year, and more fans will attend, as a journey that is less than an hour is definitely more appealing.
Instead of "Forcing" fans to travel 70-150 minutes to games, why not address it so that 95%+ of Ulster GAA fans can reach the Stadium in 60 minutes or less. This is something the GAA could do, and I think the long term benefits would be more powerful.
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In light of the recent revised plans being met with fresh appeals from locals and the ongoing issues between local residents beside Croke Park and the GAA it would be my opinion that this project be scaled back to a county ground standard to suit Antrim GAA needs and forget about it as a provincial headquarters.
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Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts:8259 - 29/10/2016 00:42:13
The same crowd playing the poor mouth in West Belfast, saying how this Stadium will somehow rejuvenate a really deprived area, are now slagging Derry about benefits!!! It's as if Belfast doesn't receive millions every year in various EU, Cross-border peace grants to create "Community" jobs for hundreds and possibly thousands of "Made men" ( See Spotlight tv show ), who would otherwise likely be on benefits." Ah come on Gary Derry and the North West haven't been the last in the queue for EU and Cross border funding, didn't Europe pay for that big new bridge up your neck of the woods? Not for one minute would I deny or be critical of that funding but I do believe that Derry people need to lose the massive chip they carry around and massive resentment they seem to hold for Belfast people. In the line of work I am involved in the most abuse and yapping I listen to is from Derry people; they really don't like Belfast folk at all and seem to think the world owes them a living for the sins of the past. Derry people REALLY need to start getting over themselves. I KNOW they were discriminated against and suffered a lot but so did many of the rest of us. Get over it will ye?
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Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 30/10/2016 01:35:55
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Ah come on Gary Derry and the North West haven't been the last in the queue for EU and Cross border funding, didn't Europe pay for that big new bridge up your neck of the woods? Not for one minute would I deny or be critical of that funding but I do believe that Derry people need to lose the massive chip they carry around and massive resentment they seem to hold for Belfast people. In the line of work I am involved in the most abuse and yapping I listen to is from Derry people; they really don't like Belfast folk at all and seem to think the world owes them a living for the sins of the past. Derry people REALLY need to start getting over themselves. I KNOW they were discriminated against and suffered a lot but so did many of the rest of us. Get over it will ye?
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts:8263 - 30/10/2016 01:25:18
This is thread is a discussion about the "Proposed" Casement park, don't resort to attacks on "Derry" or "Derry People" just because you can't provide any logical counter to my argument against the Stadium. It's very negative stuff, and moves away from the actual Stadium argument/debate, albeit one that your struggling to take part in.
The proposed "Casement Park" is a doggy bag handed to Ulster GAA, leftover's from the IRFU's Rugby World Cup 5 course banquet, hosted by the Brtish Government . My point!! The GAA are an afterthought in this whole thing, this Stadium is being funded and built for the Rugby World Cup which will now definitely be in Ireland, the British are simply justifying it's construction by saying it's GAA stadium and will regenerate West Belfast somehow.
Funded Education and Job creation help regenerate or rejuvenate an area, not a Stadium that will probably be sold out no more than 5 times per year. People can be so gullible sometimes, and never learn.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 30/10/2016 14:20:11
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NONSENSE! The middle class NIMBYS around Casement Park need to be faced down once and for all. There are about 20 residents who will be directly affected by a new ground and they are holding Antrim and Ulster GAA to ransom. They want a perfect oasis and they have to be taken on because it is now a ridiculous farce.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts:8263 - 30/10/2016 01:35:55
Your selfish parochial weakness knows no boundary,
They live there!! That place is their official home 365 days per year, and you attack them because they too think its a bad idea, Just like you attacked "Derry" and "Derry People" just because I have been against this because of its huge amount of flaws.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 30/10/2016 14:29:12
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A quick google of the pros and cons of stadium locations throws up studies etc which have been carried out and there is one trend that is followed in the majority of new stadiums that have been built - the location. Early stadiums were built in the centers of towns and cities as it was mainly working class people going to the stadium. In more recent decades the trend was for new stadiums to be built suburban or on the edge of cities though some are now going more central again. But the one factor that is clear is that it is facility costs and market forces that ultimately decide location and not political factors. And another thing very clear is that green field sites in a geographical center are not the location of choice for them. So, taking the above in to account then you might find that even if the bulk of the financing wasn't coming from the Government, Belfast would probably be the place of choice anyway for such a new stadium. So from this point it is a smart piece of business by the GAA to be happy to go along with the proposal to build it in Casement - a win win. Just the small matter of planning to get through first though.....
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 31/10/2016 09:32:32
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