Fabio, not really getting what you are saying!?

This really has to change......why!?

Dublin are in Croke Park for financial reasons. Why would the GAA change a winning formula!?

Dublin don't control where they play. And the counties have their chance to vote Dublin onto the road and dont.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 18/10/2014 20:21:24    1665035

winning formula?..why such desire for change then?...just feel teams should be playing both home and away and i imagine lots of dubs would love away trips in the championship even once and for the interest of overall fairness for the smaller games especially...doesnt really happen in any sport where one of the top teams plays every single game they have at home

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 19/10/2014 13:01:27    1665108

fabio

most of the other sports all tend to have similiar size stadiums
in the gaa we have the worst stadiujm planners going
they have six counties in munster
with 4 of them having completly oversized stadiums where they dont even need half the size to cater for support levels.
where as in leinster you have 3 big support bases in football with 3 stadiums combined currently holding less
than limnericks gaelic grounds alone

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/10/2014 15:27:45    1665150

and our capital side have a very small stadium of their own somehow resulting in having to use the national stadium regularly rendering their normal ground utterly pointless as regards the dublin footballers....in other sports there is no issue playing at smaller grounds such as liverpool playing in an 18,000 seater stadium today for instance..in gaa this just doesnt happen..completely ridiculous situation it has become

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 19/10/2014 17:41:33    1665185

Fabio

Not quite true
Liverpool are a club side so its a bit different
For example soccer does insist on capacity's
Take the European championships the quarters and semis and finals all have to have stadium capacity of 40 and 60 as a requirement.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/10/2014 17:49:37    1665189

fabio8
County: USA
Posts: 760

1665185 and our capital side have a very small stadium of their own somehow resulting in having to use the national stadium regularly rendering their normal ground utterly pointless as regards the dublin footballers....in other sports there is no issue playing at smaller grounds such as liverpool playing in an 18,000 seater stadium today for instance..in gaa this just doesnt happen..completely ridiculous situation it has become

Fabio , thats a totally different arrangement. Its a home and away fixture in the English league. Home team gives the away team a certain allocation of tickets . The season ticket for each team doesnt cover away games in the league .
Problem in GAA is Dublins extra fan base has being used to generate extra money,Spring series and season ticket are great ideas and we have given a lot of money to GAA for these products, problem now is the GAA need a certain sized stadium to host the Dubs because of a product they have sold guaranteeing entance to a game. This scenario understandably causes resentment amongst other counties as its seen as favouritism , but this is also a reason why we are in croker more than we need to be.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 19/10/2014 18:06:48    1665200

19/10/2014 15:27:45
hill16no1man
Fabio most of the other sports all tend to have similiar size stadiums
in the gaa we have the worst stadiujm planners going
they have six counties in munster
with 4 of them having completly oversized stadiums where they dont even need half the size to cater for support levels.
where as in leinster you have 3 big support bases in football with 3 stadiums combined currently holding less
than limnericks gaelic grounds alone The counties in Munster do need those stadiums for the bigger games in championship where crowds are big enough. Which stadiums are completely(sic) over-sized?
19/10/2014 17:41:33 fabio8
and our capital side have a very small stadium of their own somehow resulting in having to use the national stadium regularly rendering their normal ground utterly pointless as regards the dublin footballers....in other sports there is no issue playing at smaller grounds such as liverpool playing in an 18,000 seater stadium today for instance..in gaa this just doesnt happen..completely ridiculous situation it has become Very different system in soccer/rugby etc though
19/10/2014 17:49:37 hill16no1man
Fabio Not quite true
Liverpool are a club side so its a bit different
For example soccer does insist on capacity's
Take the European championships the quarters and semis and finals all have to have stadium capacity of 40 and 60 as a requirement. Liverpool being a club side isn't that different

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/10/2014 18:48:22    1665220

Ormond
Liverpool is different as they play in a league structure consisting of home and away fixtures for all

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/10/2014 19:44:05    1665246

Ormond

Gaelic grounds holds 50 thousand
Killarney holds 50 thousand
Pair ui chaoimh will hold 45 thousand I think
Thurles holds 55 thousand
None of these counties need a stadium above 25 thousand as its only provincial finals that they can come close to filling them. One stadium in the province like thurles holding 55 thousand is more than enough.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/10/2014 19:51:17    1665248

how is liverpool being a club different?..your point about quarters is not valid as its the early rounds of the championship we are talking about...obviously the all ireland quarter final is going to be hosted in a big stadium...i understand that the situation is different and im blaming the gaa here not the dubs..im fully aware they are being used basically right up till the all ireland semis every year..i repeat in no other sport is one of the big sides given the chance to play every single match at home and i mean championship and also in their home city and this has been going since 1 game in 2006?..it is simply wrong in my opinion and the blame solely lies with the gaa for creating this laughable situation

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 19/10/2014 21:44:57    1665303

when i said they all should have 25 thousand stadiums
with one in munster having 50 thousand
one in ulster having 50 thousand
and one in connaught having 50 thousand
i was told that the 4 of 6 in munster arent lobsided
i cant win.
you already have thurles holding 55 thousand, if it was modernised you could afford to drop 5 thousand to do this.
in connaught castlebar has a new big stand, put in two terraces instead of the old seats and you have the upgrade needed.
in ulster they are doing casement up but if they had of put one terrace in behind the goal instead of all seats would have reached
it too.
croker already has leinsters big stadium, then you have money to do the neccesary to the other county grounds

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/10/2014 09:51:41    1665342

19/10/2014 19:44:05 hill16no1man
Ormond Liverpool is different as they play in a league structure consisting of home and away fixtures for all
Gaelic grounds holds 50 thousand, Killarney holds 50 thousand, Pair ui chaoimh will hold 45 thousand I think, Thurles holds 55 thousand. None of these counties need a stadium above 25 thousand as its only provincial finals that they can come close to filling them. One stadium in the province like thurles holding 55 thousand is more than enough. One stadium in Munster above 50000 isn't enough at all. Munster counties would never agree on it due to all manners of home away agreements, loss of finance for towns/cities who would lose out. They have always played there
And it isn't at all only provincial finals that come close to filling the stadiums. What proof do you have that its only provincial finals that come close to filling all these stadiums?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 20/10/2014 13:18:41    1665451

ormond

what proof do i have haha just look at the attendances man
you would swear you were in a court of law here.
they get 20 odd thousand for munster semi finals in hurling
and get only a few thousand in football unless cork play kerry
and this year they only get 20 odd thousand at that final between them.
its not the gaa job to finance pubs and local economy
they run their own organisation and having 1 main stadium for provincial finals in each province
would be a lot better than having 4 of them in a six county province

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/10/2014 14:52:30    1665504

OK a very quick question. Let's assume and that's all it is a assumption that Meath get promoted this year and draw dubs at home. No way will Meath cb be allowed to move game. What happens when the capacity of PT can't cater for the season holders???

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/10/2014 15:58:31    1666167

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 6458

1666167
OK a very quick question. Let's assume and that's all it is a assumption that Meath get promoted this year and draw dubs at home. No way will Meath cb be allowed to move game. What happens when the capacity of PT can't cater for the season holders???

ah royaldunne come on man
we dont get in free to league games outside of dublin only home games

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/10/2014 17:00:17    1666200

What were the arranagements in Mullingar last winter for Westmeath v Dublin in the National League if there are 14,000 Dublin season ticket holders as is claimed on here? I thought Cusack Park's capacity was in and around 10,000.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 22/10/2014 17:56:27    1666226

22/10/2014 17:56:27
beir_bua
What were the arranagements in Mullingar last winter for Westmeath v Dublin in the National League if there are 14,000 Dublin season ticket holders as is claimed on here? I thought Cusack Park's capacity was in and around 10,000. That's a different issue and doesn't season ticket give the st holders certain privleges towards their countys first game in championship??

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/10/2014 17:59:03    1666230

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 8535
That's a different issue and doesn't season ticket give the st holders certain privleges towards their countys first game in championship??

The season ticket guarantees entry to every National League game (inc. in the price) as well as free entry to the county's first championship game does it not (further championship games are deducted from credit card)? I'm just wondering were there any special arrangements in place for that fixture earlier this year considering the ground would not have been able to cater for the crowd had all 14,000 showed up.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 22/10/2014 18:07:43    1666237

Donegalman

I understand a lot of your concerns, also you're county is in the most competitive province so naturally Ulster counties would be the hardest to convince. But I don't agree with when you say you're not sure that change is practical, to be honest I feel the opposite, I think the current system is quite impractical given how imbalanced it is.

Now I agree that a game between Derry v Clare as you say wouldn't garner near as much interest as Derry v Donegal, especially if it was a nothing game in a group format but under the right circumstances it could generate a lot of interest within those counties. Personally I'm for the world cup format because you'd only have 3 group games instead of 6 (CL style) meaning almost every game is crucial and under that sort of system games like Derry v Clare can be very important.

Ps, I'm still for keeping the provincials just not as part of the championship but their relevance could be kept alive by giving provincial winners and maybe even losers aswell top seed for the championship draw or by giving them home advantage in certain group games etc etc. Things like that would go at least some way to retaining their relevance.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/10/2014 18:48:54    1666251

Sorry that last post is in the wrong thread, should be in the new championship format thread.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/10/2014 19:16:19    1666262