exactly..home games are huge for the local economies of various teams..cant all be going to dublin over and over

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 15/10/2014 21:08:18    1664139

Few will disagree with added support for local economies. However, the notion and what i would consider as a fact certainly appears to remain that the GAA considers one provincial standard stadium to suffice in Leinster. In other provinces different approaches are evident as Munster has had/will have at least 3 high standard Provincial stadia with 4 if Killarney is included. Even Connaught has two with Salthill and Castlebar. The point regarding attendances is important and without the aim to develop a Provincial Ground, being one that will hold semifinals and finals there is no need for large scale expansion in Leinster. The average attendances at the said grounds do not require it as county grounds.

Personally, i feel that Meath and Kildare ought to have upgraded grounds but only to cater for their need as county grounds. Parnell Park or its equivalent needs an extra 10k to cater for Dublin county demands, especially to promote the return of Dublin league football matches to the aforementioned. Bar one other stadium to enable well attended first round championship games to be played outside of Croker i don't see the need for much else.

If the project in Belfast goes ahead do not be surprised if that new stadium acquires an identical provincial status as Croke Park holds in Leinster. Regarding access and communications both stadiums would be quite similar.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 15/10/2014 21:34:41    1664153

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If Parnell park (which I'very seen very little of) needs doing then I agree it should be done, my post wasn't intended as an anti Dublin post anyway, I have no interest in that nonsense.

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It wasn't intended as a pop at you for being anti-Dublin, I'm just pointing out the irony that we bring in millions in revenue each year yet our hurlers will be playing in a ground that holds half the capacity of O'Connor Park and is in serious need of a revamp.

As for the DCB having the luxury of CP as some other Meath poster pointed out, how many championship games have Meath played in PT in recent years? I'd say they themselves have played more in CP.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 15/10/2014 21:38:52    1664156

Here's a shot in the dark, why not play 1 Leinster semi in New York and the 2nd in London, argue that idea to the Leinster Council, tell them it isn't as daft as every team having to play in 1 venue which happens to be a home match for 1 team and is also the strongest team in Leinster by a country mile. Imagine if the Leinster Council decided to play the Hurling semis and final in Galway where Galway would be at home, would other counties agree, i doubt it, it wouldn't be fair so what's the excuse with football. If Leinster Council don't agree to switch venues then the teams playing in the semis and final excluding Dublin should collectivity demand 85% of the revenue gathered for tickets, no disrespect to Dublin but hit the council where it hurts, their pockets

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 15/10/2014 21:41:21    1664160

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exactly..home games are huge for the local economies of various teams..cant all be going to dublin over and over

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So is it better to have season ticket die-hards starved of a chance to see their team? The fans are the lifeblood of the sport. You can't deny fans tickets because you want to line some publican's pockets in Longford. Makes no sense. Build a decent sized provincial stadium and there would be no objections but don't try and force the Dubs down to Pearse Park to inject revenue into the local Spar.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 15/10/2014 21:46:00    1664163

Richie

Your becoming very bitter towards Dublin on this thread.
Its becoming a bit of a rant from what started as actual points regarding other grounds has now become silly.
Regarding our hurlers of course they train hard but if they are called Dublin and representatives of Dublin they should be from Dublin that's the whole point to the Gaa , you don't just play for who you like. I'd rather see a full Dublin team with it a dub managing them regardless of success as that's why I support Dublin because that's where I'm from. Colm cooper is one of the best footballers ever but would I like to see him play for Dublin no way. He doesn't represent anything got to do with Dublin that's the point of the team being called Dublin

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/10/2014 10:59:28    1664189

Since when has it been the gaa's business to look After local or any economic areas.
They are a sporting organization . They see Croke park as the best fit simply because it can comfortably accommodate anybody wanting to attend. There is superb access via motorways, trains, bus routes and park and ride facilities for surrounding counties.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/10/2014 11:04:52    1664192

Seems the Gaa can't win with some people.
They were slated for not doing enough to fill croker for the hurling semi finals.
Now people want them to turn away around 20 thousand people from championship openers. hardly an inspiration to promote the games. We also had people complain about them having poor promotion to tourists well if you play matches at small grounds with no public sale tickets you won't have any tourist attending

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/10/2014 11:12:33    1664195

If only there was some sort of committee or council that the Leinster counties had, where there was 11 to 1 against the Dubs, that they could go to and decide to make the big bad Dubs play outside of Croke Park, then all their problems would be solved!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 16/10/2014 11:42:41    1664209

Exactly mesamis!!!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 16/10/2014 12:36:57    1664227

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So Make 2 Counties Travel to Kilkenny??? This Thread is some Crack altogether

A vote by Leinster Counties last voted that Dublin play in Croker. Its not Dublins Fault. Due to the Amount of Season Tickets that Dubs have there is no Venue that can hold the Crowd. 1/4 Finals pairing NOT Including Dublin being played in Neutral Venues is a good shout though

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 16/10/2014 12:57:02    1664238

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Since when has it been the gaa's business to look After local or any economic areas.
They are a sporting organization . They see Croke park as the best fit simply because it can comfortably accommodate anybody wanting to attend. There is superb access via motorways, trains, bus routes and park and ride facilities for surrounding counties.

Is it not good practice for the GAA to look after local economies seeing as those economies look after them?? How many businesses, pubs, hotels & restaurants sponsor local club teams and indeed county teams and contribute financially to GAA fundraisers. Having games in provincial venues is a way for those sponsors and contributors get something back and at any rate the GAA is a community organisation and days out at provincial venues helps to foster a trust and appreciation of the GAA in rural areas.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 16/10/2014 13:52:17    1664253

I don't care where Dublin play if I'm honesty. My main aim is that pt is fit for purpose. It is not at present. There was something like 1200 at the intermediate final, a O'Byrne cup game against Louth attracted near 10k couple years ago. Meath v Kildare league match had 15k at it when banty was in charge. We haven't had a provincial game since 1995. Disgraceful.
Time for Leinster council and HQ to stand up and put the money to good use. Make st conleths Drogheda and navan fit for purpose. Just one final thing ,due to health and safety of having only one entrance open for O'Byrne cup last year there was huge delays, and also having that one entrance through a car park nearly ended in disaster with young and old coming very close to been knocked down. Not on. Dublin fans would not stand for it, why should Meath fans? I don't care how close our county borders are that excuse is irrelevant.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/10/2014 14:00:11    1664258

Richie

Your becoming very bitter towards Dublin on this thread.
Its becoming a bit of a rant from what started as actual points regarding other grounds has now become silly.
Regarding our hurlers of course they train hard but if they are called Dublin and representatives of Dublin they should be from Dublin that's the whole point to the Gaa , you don't just play for who you like. I'd rather see a full Dublin team with it a dub managing them regardless of success as that's why I support Dublin because that's where I'm from. Colm cooper is one of the best footballers ever but would I like to see him play for Dublin no way. He doesn't represent anything got to do with Dublin that's the point of the team being called Dublin

I'm not bitter at all just flabbergasted at your reasoning. Paul Curran had a Meath father, Brian Mullins a Kerry uncle, did these unfortunate infiltrations in their bloodlines make them any less Dubs, did it stop the Hill from chanting their names??.......Did it hell, these players have chosen Dublin and are committed to the Dublin cause they regards themselves as Dublin and they deserve support as such

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 16/10/2014 14:21:28    1664273

Dublin supporters and the team wouldnt give a care where they play, in fact theyd probably prefer a trip out of town. Why it doesnt happen is simple. Leinster council get more cash for using Croker plus the health and safety issues regarding the other grounds and there inability to hold large crowds

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 16/10/2014 14:28:03    1664278

Ritchie

Paul Curran and the others you named were all born and grew up in Dublin. So yes they are dubs defiantly makes them more of a dub than Ryan o Dwyer who only moved here for work.
Where a parent is from means just that. I dont see how having a parent from somewhere means you are from there when you may have never even set foot in the county or country

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/10/2014 19:44:09    1664439

Richie

So you believe the Gaa should put pubs bars and hotels ahead of season ticket holders or genuine supporters?
Businesses who sponsor Gaa teams get their name on Jersey's and around the clubs that's what they pay for

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/10/2014 19:47:50    1664443

Laughable thread. Some cracking posts, I'm just astonished by how clouded people are on this.

MesAmis.... A committee involving representatives of every county where all have an equal vote!? Down with that sort of thing!!!

Richieq.... Right you are upset Dublin don't play outside Croke Park, but your logic is so flawed.

TheMaster.... A small minority of one counties supporters have season tickets!? And that's why Dublin can't play outside Croke Park......jog on there!!! Dublin season tickets and Parnell Park passes are sold out. But Dublin bring a huge support to games, and fair weather supporters do number greatly. Kind of like Mayo fans in 2013. A lot of them boyo's only went to one game that summer, the final. But the GAA made sure ye outnumbered us with the ticketing allocation. Master, focus on how to make the Connaught Championship more fair. Address mayo's obvious advantages and explain how Mayo should be handicapped to give the Leitrims of this world a chance in summer!?

For everyone else........ "It's quite simple Bob"........ Bums on seats! Dublin in Croke Park is a financial no brainer

The GAA would quite happily watch Dublin play in Croke Park all the way to the semi's every year, and then lose of course!!!

The infrastructure around the grounds regionally just isn't there to support a massive 60000 plus crowd. Oh yeah, improve them so!? Where are you gonna get the cash to do that!? D'oh! Dublin in Croke Park!

Ps.....If you think about it logically, why do all these county boards keep agreeing to send the Dubs to Croke Park if it disadvantages themselves!? Maybe there's something in it for them.......or is that just crazy talk!?

I also think it's quite humorous that people think Dublin would be disadvantaged by playing outside Croke Park, and how it would even things up. Without the Croke Park money distributed from the Leinster Council, how would counties fund senior set-ups. As many county chairmen have pointed out recently, they can't attract the kinda sponsorship Dublin do. With playing games outside Croke Park they'd have less resources to prepare teams. Will Dublins sponsorship disappear!? So Dublin will still, like Mayo, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone etc....be quite a professional set-up and the counties they are playing in Tullamore will be way less professional due to a lack of resources because they are playing the Dubs in County grounds once a year!!!!

Yeah home advantage will help a little. But ultimately the idea that Dublin out of Croke Park is good for the little guys is a flawed argument. If anything that's gonna widen the gap.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 16/10/2014 19:56:43    1664450

Hill and JayP, well said.

It is the Same old Same old, from usual suspects.

Dublin could play in Timbuktu and there would still be a gripe...

Wouldn't make any difference to the results in Leinster. ...
Dublin will play anywhere we are asked to play.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 16/10/2014 20:12:33    1664458

joxer...pearse park is already a decent sized provincial stadium reduced for health and safety reasons but a good ground as you may have seen from if you were there in 2006?..why is it always about dublin?..what about the fans of other teams?..why should they be forced to travel to croke park while dublin fans can attend easily?..you seem to be only concerned with dublin and are ignoring the various issues other supporters have

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 16/10/2014 20:11:58    1664489