Leinster Council top brass don't want to have to go to Portlaoise or Tullamore or Ballybackwards to play championship matches. No premium level seating, no corporate boxes, no night in Jurys and quick hop across the road.

Put in some premium levels in Portlaise and then we can start talking about moving double headers (apparently Dublin cant just play a championship match with out a double header).

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 15/10/2014 12:59:08    1663904

in fairness people saying there ws 41 thousand because it was a double header is untrue
as about 35 thousand were dubs, there was more louth than kildare that day.
what they need to do is renovate navan
simple as, if you put in proper terraces in navan and a new stand
you could have a 35 thousand stadium
that dublin could play quarter finals against louth, westmeath, longford and offaly.
tullamore for all the work on the stand, behind the goal has nothing where you come in and thats included in the attendance
it probably bumps it up 3 thousand even to make it 17,500 capacity
what sort of a joke would that be having to come in and stand on flat grass to watch a match
yet navan has two hills which you can see the match from and its deemed unsafe haha
but flat grass is perfectly safe haha wheres the health and safety in that

Renovating Navan is what should be done, our grass banks were closed because they are of substancial size and quite steep and do not have a proper barrier system or designated entrance/exit points or aisles, Health & Safety fear that the steepness of the banks and lack of grip could lead to slipping and therefore injury, in fairness there is less chance of that happening on flat grass, Tullamore has been redeveloped to a very high standard on three sides and in fairness anyone I've seen standing on the flat area always seem happy to do so, nobody is forcing them there as the new terrace across from the stand can hold a substancial crowd

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 15/10/2014 17:25:00    1664038

richie

yes thats true but if your talking about a capacity crowd
people will have to stand behind one another on the flat grass end behind the goal
hardly fair to fork out 15 or 20 euro to be stood flat behind somebody and not being able to view the match
would you not agree?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/10/2014 17:35:07    1664045

Richieq

Navan should have been done years ago but the ineptitude of our county boards down through the years ensured that not only was PT not renovated but it remained virtually untouched leaving it 10+ years behind a lot of other ccounties.

Also it has to be said that HQ doesn't seem too interested in helping counties surrounding Dublin to renovate, I mean it's no coincidence that some of the worst county grounds (Meath, Kildare & Wicklow) all border Dublin and of course Louth has a very poor ground aswell and it's only up the road.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/10/2014 18:02:27    1664059

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Richieq

Navan should have been done years ago but the ineptitude of our county boards down through the years ensured that not only was PT not renovated but it remained virtually untouched leaving it 10+ years behind a lot of other ccounties.

Also it has to be said that HQ doesn't seem too interested in helping counties surrounding Dublin to renovate, I mean it's no coincidence that some of the worst county grounds (Meath, Kildare & Wicklow) all border Dublin and of course Louth has a very poor ground aswell and it's only up the road.

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Dublin's home ground, Parnell Park, is also in dire need of work yet we bring millions into the coffers every year.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 15/10/2014 18:35:31    1664065

Joxer

If Parnell park (which I'very seen very little of) needs doing then I agree it should be done, my post wasn't intended as an anti Dublin post anyway, I have no interest in that nonsense.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/10/2014 19:12:22    1664074

hill16no1man
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richie

yes thats true but if your talking about a capacity crowd
people will have to stand behind one another on the flat grass end behind the goal
hardly fair to fork out 15 or 20 euro to be stood flat behind somebody and not being able to view the match
would you not agree?

I don't believe capacity includes that area, at least that's my understanding, people that stand there choose too, for example at Kilkenny v Galway there this year there was still plenty of room on the terraces but people chose to stand on the flat, probably to get a quick getaway afterwards as it's the closest point to the exit, and believe me when Joe Canning got the levelling point the crowd there saw it as they went feckin mental

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 15/10/2014 19:12:23    1664075

Richieq

Navan should have been done years ago but the ineptitude of our county boards down through the years ensured that not only was PT not renovated but it remained virtually untouched leaving it 10+ years behind a lot of other ccounties.

Also it has to be said that HQ doesn't seem too interested in helping counties surrounding Dublin to renovate, I mean it's no coincidence that some of the worst county grounds (Meath, Kildare & Wicklow) all border Dublin and of course Louth has a very poor ground aswell and it's only up the road.

I agree completely with you, in fact I would go as further and say that the 1987/88 redevelopment was totally inadequate when you consider what works were achieved in O'Moore Park in the early to mid eighties, the whole place should have been terraced when they were at it that time, even in the mid to late nineties when we were going well ample opportunity existed to get rid of those grass banks but the situation was ignored, Navan at present is 20+ years behind never mind 10. There does seem to be an issue with grounds in counties adjacent to Dublin. I understand that Leinster Council want a suitable fit for purpose ground with a 20k to 30k capacity in the north of the province, if such is true then Navan is the only venue that has the scope and range to develop to such a capacity as up until recent years it's capacity was in the region of 30k, we have been badly served by county boards in terms of infrastructure in recent years but I am encouraged by the soundings of the current administration who have now kick started Dunganny and have outlined plans for Pairc Tailteann after research at many other recently redeveloped venues to see what the best options are. Meath really should be pushing Leinster and Central Councils on this, Pairc Tailteann has the room and scope to deliver a proper stadium of decent, yet not exuberant, capacity and funding should be made available

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 15/10/2014 19:23:45    1664081

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Navan should have been done years ago but the ineptitude of our county boards down through the years ensured that not only was PT not renovated but it remained virtually untouched leaving it 10+ years behind a lot of other ccounties.

Also it has to be said that HQ doesn't seem too interested in helping counties surrounding Dublin to renovate, I mean it's no coincidence that some of the worst county grounds (Meath, Kildare & Wicklow) all border Dublin and of course Louth has a very poor ground aswell and it's only up the road.

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Dublin's home ground, Parnell Park, is also in dire need of work yet we bring millions into the coffers every year.

True, but the Dublin County Board have no interest or intention of doing anything with Parnell Park or any other venue in the county as they have Croker at their disposal, that's the difference other counties want to develop county grounds, Dublin are quite happy to sit back and make use of the comforts of our main stadium unless your a hurler of course which seems to mean Parnell Park is plenty good enough for you, that's not having a go it's stating a fact I have a serious bee in my bonnet about the Dublin hurlers not getting the same support as the footballers despite their huge effort, improvement and success

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 15/10/2014 19:29:37    1664086

Yes navan is in serious need of revamp. But also it as richieq has said is probably the only ground that with proper stand and terracing could easily hold 40k + A clear venue for Dublin easy access etc , could easily be used as a neutral venue for qualifier etc and for a game like dub v Longford or Louth Westmeath . I think it was also mentioned that Meath and Louth could share it as a home venue for leagues if Louth were agreeable. No need for Greenfield sites or even much investment, PT has one of the best surfaces in country, all the base work is there. Time for HQ to stand up, provide the additional funds along with Meath cb and perhaps Louth too.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/10/2014 19:45:17    1664093

richie

the meath hurlers dont get the same support as the meath footballers
despite putting in the same effort
you cant expect to create a culture in 4 years
football has and always will be huge in dublin
theres always been something special in good and bad times about dublin matches in football.
hurling for a long time consisted of half the team being country guys.
over the last few years we have gotten a bit of success
and the profile of hurling has risen hugely in dublin.
in the mid 00tys league games against cork or kilkenny would attract a few hundred
now they are all but filling parnell park, thats progress
there are still a few non dubs on the panel
and the appointment of cunningham a cork man yet again signifys a country guy in charge
wont do any favours as until they shake the country elemant and become like football a representation
fully of being a dub it wont grow to the same levels

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/10/2014 20:08:08    1664105

royaldunne

i agree would be great to see that happen
but it seems the leinster council feel outside of dublin footballers
grounds in leinster are capacble of holding every other teams championship games
its hard to disagree with them when you look at the attendances over the last few years
the only game would be meath v kildare or meath v louth at a quarter final stage
and when that occurs they see doubling them up with dublins quarter final as a more attractive idea
considering croke park is very accessable to the three countys

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/10/2014 20:13:01    1664107

Current GAA policy see's the vast majority of Dublin's, Meath's and Kildare's championship games in Croke Park. That is why the county grounds of the aforementioned are in the state they are. Under current practice there is no need to develop them.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 15/10/2014 20:25:17    1664113

royaldunne

i agree would be great to see that happen
but it seems the leinster council feel outside of dublin footballers
grounds in leinster are capacble of holding every other teams championship games
its hard to disagree with them when you look at the attendances over the last few years
the only game would be meath v kildare or meath v louth at a quarter final stage
and when that occurs they see doubling them up with dublins quarter final as a more attractive idea
considering croke park is very accessable to the three countys

This accessibility stuff is starting to brown me off a bit now, I said it before, drive from North or West of Meath or North Louth or South Kildare/Wicklow and Croke Park is a fair drive or a bus journey simple as, not everyone is lucky enough to reside in Ashbourne, Ratoath, Celbridge, Leixlip or Bray, double headers with Dublin in recent times have been boring and totally unatmospheric and do an injustice to the stadium, even the Dubs beside us this year and last year admitted that

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 15/10/2014 20:30:51    1664116

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Current GAA policy see's the vast majority of Dublin's, Meath's and Kildare's championship games in Croke Park. That is why the county grounds of the aforementioned are in the state they are. Under current practice there is no need to develop them.

Total and utter bull, there are serious health and safety concerns at each venue, Pairc Tailteann, St Conleths and the Gaelic Grounds, are you suggesting that the home league matches of those counties and their showpiece domestic games be played at venues which have been realistically highlighted as unsafe and have had, in some cases, parts closed??? So we just leave them undeveloped and get worse and we will a trapse in unison to the big smoke and forget our local pride and economy and sense of place!!! Give me a break please

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 15/10/2014 20:34:45    1664119

have to say i allways enjoy going to tullamore
good roads to get there
parking near pitch
its a good venue
should get more games

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 15/10/2014 20:36:26    1664120

seany 16

Listen I have no problem going to Croker for our championship games, Croke Park is actually closer to my house than Navan is so it suits me lovely but there's still a need to renovate these surrounding grounds. You see it isn't all about the championship, like many others I try and get to as many games as possible all year round and let me tell you Pairc Tailteann is a grim place at the best of times never mind in the middle of bloody winter.

The fact that Croke Park is near by isn't a good enough reason to ignore surrounding counties or indeed Parnell Park.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/10/2014 20:41:19    1664125

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Current GAA policy see's the vast majority of Dublin's, Meath's and Kildare's championship games in Croke Park. That is why the county grounds of the aforementioned are in the state they are. Under current practice there is no need to develop them.

Total and utter bull, there are serious health and safety concerns at each venue, Pairc Tailteann, St Conleths and the Gaelic Grounds, are you suggesting that the home league matches of those counties and their showpiece domestic games be played at venues which have been realistically highlighted as unsafe and have had, in some cases, parts closed??? So we just leave them undeveloped and get worse and we will a trapse in unison to the big smoke and forget our local pride and economy and sense of place!!! Give me a break please


Since you appear to be the knowledgeable one, what is the average home attendance (rough estimate will suffice) of Meath and Kildare league games?

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 15/10/2014 20:42:03    1664126

richie

the meath hurlers dont get the same support as the meath footballers
despite putting in the same effort
you cant expect to create a culture in 4 years
football has and always will be huge in dublin
theres always been something special in good and bad times about dublin matches in football.
hurling for a long time consisted of half the team being country guys.
over the last few years we have gotten a bit of success
and the profile of hurling has risen hugely in dublin.
in the mid 00tys league games against cork or kilkenny would attract a few hundred
now they are all but filling parnell park, thats progress
there are still a few non dubs on the panel
and the appointment of cunningham a cork man yet again signifys a country guy in charge
wont do any favours as until they shake the country elemant and become like football a representation
fully of being a dub it wont grow to the same levels
15/10/2014 20:13:01

Our hurlers don't get the same support I acknowledge that and they do put in serious effort but Dublin have beaten Kilkenny, won a league, won a leinster, and were a kick in the arse away from an All Ireland last year and now here non Dubs and country guys, those players irregardless of their backround or family tree are out there wearing Dublin jersies because they want too, they lose blood sweat and tears for Dublin because they want too, they bust their asses training for Dublin because they want too and they want to help Dublin hurling be as successful as possible, they are Dubs, they are as much Dubs as the Brogans, the Rocks and Cluxtons of this world and if that is the prevailing attitude towards some members of the Dublin hurling team then quite frankly I find that disgusting

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 15/10/2014 20:43:12    1664129

Current GAA policy see's the vast majority of Dublin's, Meath's and Kildare's championship games in Croke Park. That is why the county grounds of the aforementioned are in the state they are. Under current practice there is no need to develop them.

Total and utter bull, there are serious health and safety concerns at each venue, Pairc Tailteann, St Conleths and the Gaelic Grounds, are you suggesting that the home league matches of those counties and their showpiece domestic games be played at venues which have been realistically highlighted as unsafe and have had, in some cases, parts closed??? So we just leave them undeveloped and get worse and we will a trapse in unison to the big smoke and forget our local pride and economy and sense of place!!! Give me a break please


Since you appear to be the knowledgeable one, what is the average home attendance (rough estimate will suffice) of Meath and Kildare league games?

I don't know kildare's ours would vary between 4 to 6'000 but we have been stuck in various incarnations of Division 2 and even 3 the last few years, the case for redeveloping Navan is not just based on league attendances in February or March we had a huge crowd for the hurling finals last weekend and will have the same for the football final this weekend, we had 20'000 at our home qualifier games in 2011 and we want to play Leinster games in a redeveloped Navan and support the local economy and have pride in a place we can call home and a place we can call our own

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 15/10/2014 21:01:03    1664135