Firstly its 1995 since Meath played a Leinster match in navan.
The attendance thing is a issue. Navan in its current state could not cater for a large crowd at semi final stage etc, that is Meath cb problem and the neglect of the ground over years is a disgrace. Meath v Wicklow has to be in navan end of. As for taking Dublin out of cp? Yes the quarters should beplayed outside it , iI think most dubs would agree . Semi finals? Come on Meath v Westmeath/ Wexford would be a disaster in HQ no atmosphere . Now Meath v Louth with Dublin v Kildare would have the potential to attract 50/60 k supporters and dare I say many from Dublin Kildare would come in early to see the game, of course it would be for no other reason than a return to the scene of the crime etc stuff.But still .

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/10/2014 11:04:51    1662592

Navan was in a position to hold a Meath Kildare match only three years ago. What has changed in those three years?

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 11/10/2014 12:12:10    1662614

First Round:
Offaly v Longford...Mullingar
Laois v Carlow......Nowlan park
Louth v Westmeath...Navan

Quarter Finals:
Dublin v Offaly/Longford...Portlaoise
Kildare v Laois/Carlow....Tullamore
Wexford v Louth...........Parnell Park or Wexford v Westmeath....Portlaoise
Meath v Wicklow...........Parnell Park.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 11/10/2014 13:05:29    1662630

Bei bua. Since then both of the goal ends have been closed due to health and safety regarding the grass banks. And its not looking like they will be terraced anytime soon. Add to that the stand is in desperate need of repair and you can see why it would be a no go, the game v Wicklow could and should be held there, as its been 20 years since we have played a Leinster match in navan, I do not think any other county with maybe the exception of your own can say that.
As for the draw itself, maybe its time to get rid of the seeding of previous years sf in last 4. I'm sure if Meath or Kildare could draw dubs on same side it'd be lot more interesting, and of course on other side it would incentives for other counties to get to Leinster final.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/10/2014 14:32:33    1662652

It might be in a state of bad repair but I don't think it is fundamentally unsafe, a bit like our place. I suspect the lack of GAA support for investment in either Navan or Newbridge (and Drogheda and Aughrim as well) is all part of the Leinster Council's vision of a new stadium somewhere along the M50 that Martin Skelly was proposing a few years ago. They might have parked it for the time being but I guess it is still in the back of their minds.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 11/10/2014 15:50:43    1662667

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Jack give it a rest man...

It'll only be for one flipping game anyway!

All the rest would still be in Croker

The decision was made by all Leinster CB's to keep Dublin in CP for the Quarter Finals

I really don't see the point in continually bringing up a topic that has already been tabled by the Leinster council

The chance was there and it wasn't taken

In fact it was overwhelmingly rejected.

The point in continually bringing it up is so eventually, maybe eventually, the County Boards and Leinster Council will listen to the supporters that pay to keep the show on the road. The overuse of Croker isn't even down to one county it's down to one team, Dublin footballers, as the Dublin hurlers are deemed fit to play anywhere due to a disrespectful lack of support for them in comparison to the footballers. Leinster Council put the fear factor into other counties claiming that funding for them will dry up if the Dubs move out of Croker, this is nonsense, yet the other counties decide not to rock the boat of risk being financially shut off so they just tow the party line

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 11/10/2014 15:59:22    1662671

Interesting to note that in the Leinster GAA website that whilst no dates are pencilled against the fixtures times are, Offaly/Longford v Dublin is listed at 4pm and Louth/Westmeath v Wexford at 2pm so that has double header in Croker wrote all over it

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 11/10/2014 18:40:24    1662711

Interesting to note that in the Leinster GAA website that whilst no dates are pencilled against the fixtures times are, Offaly/Longford v Dublin is listed at 4pm and Louth/Westmeath v Wexford at 2pm so that has double header in Croker wrote all over it

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 11/10/2014 19:08:15    1662716

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Jack give it a rest man...

It'll only be for one flipping game anyway!

All the rest would still be in Croker

The decision was made by all Leinster CB's to keep Dublin in CP for the Quarter Finals

I really don't see the point in continually bringing up a topic that has already been tabled by the Leinster council

The chance was there and it wasn't taken

In fact it was overwhelmingly rejected.

The point in continually bringing it up is so eventually, maybe eventually, the County Boards and Leinster Council will listen to the supporters that pay to keep the show on the road. The overuse of Croker isn't even down to one county it's down to one team, Dublin footballers, as the Dublin hurlers are deemed fit to play anywhere due to a disrespectful lack of support for them in comparison to the footballers. Leinster Council put the fear factor into other counties claiming that funding for them will dry up if the Dubs move out of Croker, this is nonsense, yet the other counties decide not to rock the boat of risk being financially shut off so they just tow the party line

I'd agree with you on support for hurlers as they deserve better but overuse of Croker, hardly.The place is deserted for 6 months of the year.
Dublin wouldn't mind playing outside Croke Park and it would be good to go play a championship game on the road.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 11/10/2014 19:36:58    1662728

The first consideration is capacity. Dublin have approx 14000 season ticket holders who are guaranteed a ticket for round 1 of the championship for free under the CP season ticket scheme. Assume 100% take up and work from there.

Pearse Park only holds around 10K so not an option. O'Connor Park holds about 20K so not an option. O'Moore Park holds about 30K I think so possibly the only viable option. I'm sure the Dubs would be happy to hang out in Portlaoise for the day.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 11/10/2014 20:08:27    1662741

Seany your way of thinking is so backward it's beyond belief. So if United and Liverpool have the potential to bring 100k to their matches they should move them to Wembley? Longford/Ofally/Laois etc should all get a chance to play the Dubs in their own counties for once. It has the potential to bring 30/40k but 95% will be Dubs in Croke Park. Take Laois for example. They play Dublin in croke park and less than 1000 of their fans will see them play. If they play in portlaoise you will have 5-10k of their fans watching them play. But no, Dublin playing at home will bring the attendance up by 10k so lets give them the game in Dublin year after year.

Was Donegal v Tyrone two years ago moved to clones? No and the first round games should be spread around. The matches are dire in croke park are are doing nothing for the image of our association.

Royaldunne I 100% agree with what you say. If Dublin are in a Leinster semi always play it in CP. If Meath/Kildare/Louth are playing each other or the Dubs play it in CP. But the likes of Meath v Wexford has to be somewhere like Portlaoise. At least there it will have an atmosphere. I nearly fell asleep the day we beat Wexford in 2013 leinster semi. Enjoy the league games that year more than that win.

Joxer and SLLY I'd agree. You have 14k season ticket holders so portlaoise/wexford park and nowlan park are the only options. I've many a dublin friend who all want the same. They don't even go to the championship matches until the Leinster final. But they go to most of the league games home and away. They'd love something diff for the first round.

Offaly/Longford v Dublin is listed at 4pm and Louth/Westmeath v Wexford. If that's the double header in CP for the day it will be one of the most boring double headers of all time.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 11/10/2014 21:16:49    1662764

Bei bus exactly. They have put no investment into aughrim newbridge Drogheda or navan for a reason although I thing the respective county boards have a lot to answer for.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/10/2014 09:19:12    1662782

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1662782 Bei bus exactly. They have put no investment into aughrim newbridge Drogheda or navan for a reason although I thing the respective county boards have a lot to answer for.

Are you seriously suggesting that these county boards waste their money building a big stadium to hold possibly 1 championship match a year? Croke Park is a short drive for the vast majority of Louth, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow fans. Better off spending money on player development and try to give Dublin a decent game. In Mayo we have a big stadium that never gets filled and a big pile of debt to pay off.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 13/10/2014 13:16:57    1663159

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1662782 Bei bus exactly. They have put no investment into aughrim newbridge Drogheda or navan for a reason although I thing the respective county boards have a lot to answer for.

Are you seriously suggesting that these county boards waste their money building a big stadium to hold possibly 1 championship match a year? Croke Park is a short drive for the vast majority of Louth, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow fans. Better off spending money on player development and try to give Dublin a decent game. In Mayo we have a big stadium that never gets filled and a big pile of debt to pay off.

We're not talking about big stadiums were talking about mid size stadiums of 20k or 25k capacity but have decent facilities or as the term goes "best in class". Half of Pairc Tailteann has been shut down totally until redevelopment takes place, our stand has been described as a fire hazard with dressing rooms and toilets that are not fit for cattle and the most recent addition to the ground, the terrace opened in 1988, has become outdated and another health and safety issue. Are you seriously suggesting we don't do anything about it?? Croke Park is a short drive for a minority of supporters you speak off, drive from North Meath, South Wicklow/Kildare or North Louth and you have a fair spin, and anyway why should we all trapse to Croker and forget the local economy in Navan and fill the Dublin traders coffers, each county should have a fit for purpose ground not just for inter county championships but for league and internal competition, such is s basic necessity

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 13/10/2014 15:16:54    1663208

Jack, I suggest you take it up with your own County Board wh have voted consistently to keep Dublin games in Croke Park.

Doesn't bother Dublin one way or other and as mainly hurling supporter am used to seeing Dublin playing majority of games away.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 13/10/2014 15:32:30    1663217

Richieq exactly.
Where did I say anything about huge stadiums? All any of these counties want is a decent stadium , one without wooden seats one where you can see a match in a bit of comfort one with decent toilets and changing rooms.
As for white elephants? Ahh McHale park springs to mind.
Meath and Kildare supporters have contributed huge amount to gaa over the last 30 years and they would still be considered two of the best supported counties within gaa.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/10/2014 16:03:21    1663233

Unfortunately as soon as someone in Ireland says 'new stadium' everyone panics and cant wait to say 'white elephant' quick enough. Its a very Irish reaction. We really do have a bizarre fear of modern stadiums in Ireland.
Anyway ideally every county would have a ground with a O'Connor Park style grandstand without pillars. And a second covered stand/terrace on the other side. With either terracing/safe standing/seating behind BOTH goals. I really hate the unsymmetrical stadiums we have here.
They can range in capacity from 10-25k depending on the county. no one should build bigger than they need but everyone should build to the highest of standards. Home & away agreements can then become the norm so all counties can host provincial QFs SFs and qualifiers on a regular basis as well as league and county finals.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 13/10/2014 16:26:21    1663244

I'd agree with you on support for hurlers as they deserve better but overuse of Croker, hardly.The place is deserted for 6 months of the year.
Dublin wouldn't mind playing outside Croke Park and it would be good to go play a championship game on the road.

Croker is overused for Leinster football, the hurling is spread about much better than the football. We all know and appreciate that the Dubs don't mind playing outside of Croke Park but if it happened more than once or twice I wouldn't think it would take Mr. Kettle too long to come to the boil with his suited colleagues and start asking questions, the Dublin supporters I know would love it and I dare say the players would too. The quarter final double headers have become very poor affairs in Croker, little or no atmosphere in Dublin v Laois this year or Dublin v Westmeath a year or two back but imagine those games in Portlaoise, Tullamore or Kilkenny, the place would be hopping. Unless it's approaching near 70 - 75% full Croke Park lacks atmosphere and the only time it's going to reach that kind of capacity is possibly the Leinster Final itself, even semi finals with Dinlin involved have become sterile affairs. It's time some of the fine grounds in the province got more use, and time others were brought up to spec so a home and away arrangement can be in place for all counties

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 13/10/2014 18:47:23    1663301

In Mayo we have a big stadium that never gets filled and a big pile of debt to pay off.

Correction, in Mayo ye have a big fine stand and a big fine press box that ye spent unbelievable money on yet the other 3 sides of the ground still involved sitting on concrete lintels and getting piles. Meath County Board could finish our centre of excellence in Dunganny and redevelop all four sides of Pairc Tailteann for what ye spent on one stand and one press box!!!!

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 13/10/2014 18:52:03    1663304

If we beat Offaly we'd love to have the Dubs in Pearse Park again!

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 13/10/2014 20:02:23    1663334