id hate to be bitter old man like you Roscommon lad. Sam does luck good here in the Kingdom, and as Colm O Rourke said they are only three things certain in life '''Death ,Taxes, and Kerry winning All Irelands.

Lads move, it will be some one else's turn next year.

kerryrowz (Kerry) - Posts: 833 - 07/10/2014 10:47:54    1660956

There's such a thing as taking defeat like men and getting on with it. My own club and divisional club are out.

Winter well and enjoy the club championships.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7853 - 07/10/2014 10:56:30    1660961

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1660956 id hate to be bitter old man like you Roscommon lad. Sam does luck good here in the Kingdom, and as Colm O Rourke said they are only three things certain in life '''Death ,Taxes, and Kerry winning All Irelands.

Lads move, it will be some one else's turn next year.

is that how you speak to all the ladies? Read the above.
Kerry were the best team in Ireland in August/September when it mattered. All I did was raise a valid point about teams guranteed last 12 spot when some teams had to play 3/4 games to win a provincial title as what happened to Donegal in 2011 & 2012.

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 07/10/2014 11:00:29    1660962

The fact that you are a woman doesn't really matter as far as Im concerned Handy. The reality is you have a strong affinity for Dublin, probably more than you are letting on, in my opinion. That means that this thread was in fact started by someone with vested interest in Dublin gaa, which was the point.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 07/10/2014 11:28:37    1660977

Read the above like a good boy :) The thread was about unbalanced Champ format which also suits Dubs and they dont play 1st round champ games. It unfair on Ulster teams who have to play preminlary round. Not everything is about the Dubs.
Kerry were the best team in Ireland in August/September when it mattered. All I did was raise a valid point about teams guranteed last 12 spot when some teams had to play 3/4 games to win a provincial title as what happened to Donegal in 2011 & 2012.

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 07/10/2014 12:04:51    1660993

I don't think it matters about the seeding in munster really,at the end of the day if cork beat Kerry in the munster quarter final they would still find the way to croke park as they did in 09 and won the championship.kerry are also the only team in Ireland with 100 percent record in the qualifiers so if I was from a lesser county like Armagh cavan or roscommon id rather if munster was seeded in the off chance that they met Kerry in the first round of the qualifiers or cork for that matter.stop wingeing....

colm860 (Kerry) - Posts: 75 - 07/10/2014 12:12:06    1660998

Leinster draw is seeded, with the previous year's semi-finalists getting byes to the quarter-finals. Worse they are kept apart meaning they can't face each other until the semi finals which basically is creating a two tiered system which makes it harder for anyone to break into the top 4 if you will. Time for an open draw in Leinster & Munster

hurler in the ditch (Louth) - Posts: 439 - 07/10/2014 12:22:48    1661004

I read the above in full Handy. I responded to Snufalufagus' point about people thinking this thread was started by someone who supports Dublin. You quoted that point, so to turn around and state that everything isn't about Dublin is nonsense, the point you quoted specifically was about Dublin. If you have an issue with that, then take it up with the person who brought them into it - snufalufagus, and also maybe read fully what you are quoting in future.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 07/10/2014 12:26:15    1661007

As regards seeding - every province should have it. The two finalists from the previous year should be seeded on either side of the draw, as it makes it fairer and more balanced. Funny, people don't have any issue with the quarter finals being seeded... If seeding is unfair then shouldnt that be an open draw too? So this year for example, you could have had a qf draw of Kerry-Cork Dublin-Donegal, with Mayo-galway and monaghan-armagh on the other side. Obviously, mayo would have an easier run to the final than any of Kerry, Dublin or Donegal - this is the reason why seeding is a good thing, as it goes some way to prevent unbalanced draws from happening..

The reason who people don't want seeding in munster is because they all look at it from the standpoint of the little guy. But in practice they are actually looking for an unbalanced system so some smaller team can sneak in the backdoor - how is that fair on A) the genuine best teams in the province, or B) the small team who get stuck on the same side of the draw as the two big hitters?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 07/10/2014 12:42:42    1661016

I really think this stuff about the Munster championship is utter nonsense, its used as a stick to beat Kerry's success with and to comfort those on cold winter nights about why their own county didn't do much the previous summer.

And sure this argument holds a lot of appeal to those looking from the outside in, as long as they don't think about it too hard! So they say Kerry have some sort of unfair advantage, that is the reason we have to put up with them winning All Irelands and if things were changed then MY COUNTY would surely win more etc, etc.

Dublin have had no-one to touch them in Leinster for the past ten years, the Leinster championship is nothing but a one horse race; the others compete to see who the Dubs will get to hammer in the final. Why is there no debates on here about how Dublin have such an easy ride to the Q-finals because their provincial championship is so poor. At least we have to contend with Cork a county more than capable of beating us (most of the time). In addition, this year has surely proven that the standards in Munster are better than Leinster; look at progress the likes of Clare and Tipperary have made.

Same goes for Kilkenny: Kilkenny have had nothing to touch them in Leinster for the majority of their golden era over the past 14 years. Winning Leinster also means they get straight into an All Ireland final: effectively they play three games a season to reach September! Again, I never hear complaints by hurling fans that the Cats get an easy ride or are guaranteed an easy run to Croke park.

So my first point is, why the double standards when looking at Kerry vis a vie Leinster hurling and football??

Second point (which is blindingly obvious to you all whether you care to admit it or not), Kerry will always win All Irelands, they will always be in finals and will always be one of the favourites for every championship. You can have your champions league formats, you can combine the League with the Championship, you can shove us into Ulster, you can make us play every god damn county in Ireland before we are even allowed near Croke Park, we will still win All Irelands.

If this year taught the rest of you anything its that we will never go away...An Riocht, as ever, Abu!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 07/10/2014 12:50:48    1661020

I have said this on many occasions, The only way to make the all-ireland championship fair is to have a complete 32/3/4 county complete open draw. otherwise it is unbalanced. I am not for one minute saying that Kery don't deserve the all-ireland or the other 36 for that matter , but to have 4 groups made up of 11,9,7,6 is unbalanced. with some groups seeded and others not.
However the minor all-ireland championship is even worse with backdoors in some provinces and a complete knockout up to the final in others.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 07/10/2014 14:05:04    1661069

As always, where are the motions for congress if so many counties are at a disadvantage?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7853 - 07/10/2014 16:25:33    1661130

HandyMoran
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1660993 Read the above like a good boy :) The thread was about unbalanced Champ format which also suits Dubs and they dont play 1st round champ games. It unfair on Ulster teams who have to play preminlary round. Not everything is about the Dubs.
Kerry were the best team in Ireland in August/September when it mattered. All I did was raise a valid point about teams guranteed last 12 spot when some teams had to play 3/4 games to win a provincial title as what happened to Donegal in 2011 & 2012.

Its not really a valid point though is it? If Kerry get a guaranteed Q/F spot that would mean they start each year at that stage does it not?

gaadude1884 (Kerry) - Posts: 21 - 07/10/2014 17:10:19    1661151

Second point (which is blindingly obvious to you all whether you care to admit it or not), Kerry will always win All Irelands, they will always be in finals and will always be one of the favourites for every championship. You can have your champions league formats, you can combine the League with the Championship, you can shove us into Ulster, you can make us play every god damn county in Ireland before we are even allowed near Croke Park, we will still win All Irelands.

Tell that to your counyman. legend. Always playing the poormouth. Not that it is fooling anyone.

911 (USA) - Posts: 41 - 07/10/2014 17:28:39    1661161

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Second point (which is blindingly obvious to you all whether you care to admit it or not), Kerry will always win All Irelands, they will always be in finals and will always be one of the favourites for every championship. You can have your champions league formats, you can combine the League with the Championship, you can shove us into Ulster, you can make us play every god damn county in Ireland before we are even allowed near Croke Park, we will still win All Irelands.

Tell that to your counyman. legend. Always playing the poormouth. Not that it is fooling anyone.

Here here, glad someone else copped that. A few weeks ago he was going on with the usual old rubbish of transition and not being favourites.And today he was making out they were quality players that just hadn't been seen at championship level outside Kerry.
The Kerryerraticus godhelpus has been spotted again.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 07/10/2014 17:56:05    1661179

Are Kerry and Cork given an advantage because there are only 6 counties in Munster?

Are Dublin at an advantage because they can stroll through Leinster, without having to go near a Division 1 team until the semis?

Are Mayo at an advantage because the Connacht province is ideally suited to help them peak in August/September?

Are Ulster teams at an advantage because they come through the battlefield of the Ulster championship (nothing better to bring players on than tough games)?

besidetheditch (Dublin) - Posts: 81 - 07/10/2014 19:03:19    1661209

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Second point (which is blindingly obvious to you all whether you care to admit it or not), Kerry will always win All Irelands, they will always be in finals and will always be one of the favourites for every championship. You can have your champions league formats, you can combine the League with the Championship, you can shove us into Ulster, you can make us play every god damn county in Ireland before we are even allowed near Croke Park, we will still win All Irelands.

Tell that to your counyman. legend. Always playing the poormouth. Not that it is fooling anyone.

Here here, glad someone else copped that. A few weeks ago he was going on with the usual old rubbish of transition and not being favourites.And today he was making out they were quality players that just hadn't been seen at championship level outside Kerry.
The Kerryerraticus godhelpus has been spotted again.

Well all bar two games this year (Clare and Galway) Kerry weren't favourites. Plenty on here, mostly Dubs, were tipping the likes of Mayo etc

gaadude1884 (Kerry) - Posts: 21 - 07/10/2014 19:38:13    1661226

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Second point (which is blindingly obvious to you all whether you care to admit it or not), Kerry will always win All Irelands, they will always be in finals and will always be one of the favourites for every championship. You can have your champions league formats, you can combine the League with the Championship, you can shove us into Ulster, you can make us play every god damn county in Ireland before we are even allowed near Croke Park, we will still win All Irelands.

Tell that to your counyman. legend. Always playing the poormouth. Not that it is fooling anyone.

Here here, glad someone else copped that. A few weeks ago he was going on with the usual old rubbish of transition and not being favourites.And today he was making out they were quality players that just hadn't been seen at championship level outside Kerry.
The Kerryerraticus godhelpus has been spotted again.

Well all bar two games this year (Clare and Galway) Kerry weren't favourites. Plenty on here, mostly Dubs, were tipping the likes of Mayo etc.

Look, the bottom line is ye were favourites with anyone who wasn't buying the stuff he was peddling and nothing to do with Dubs.
If bookies had them slight underdogs it was because of the potential losses they would suffer as is always the case.A lot more than anything to do with favorites tag anyway if you were looking at his downplaying pre semi and final.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 07/10/2014 19:54:55    1661232

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Second point (which is blindingly obvious to you all whether you care to admit it or not), Kerry will always win All Irelands, they will always be in finals and will always be one of the favourites for every championship. You can have your champions league formats, you can combine the League with the Championship, you can shove us into Ulster, you can make us play every god damn county in Ireland before we are even allowed near Croke Park, we will still win All Irelands.

Tell that to your counyman. legend. Always playing the poormouth. Not that it is fooling anyone.

Here here, glad someone else copped that. A few weeks ago he was going on with the usual old rubbish of transition and not being favourites.And today he was making out they were quality players that just hadn't been seen at championship level outside Kerry.
The Kerryerraticus godhelpus has been spotted again.

Well all bar two games this year (Clare and Galway) Kerry weren't favourites. Plenty on here, mostly Dubs, were tipping the likes of Mayo etc


Dont begrudge Kerry win at all but when you read this legend guys posts they are extremely biased and sometimes just petty. I know you will always get one or two on any site so I suppose it's not surprising and most Kerry posters are fair enough.

911 (USA) - Posts: 41 - 07/10/2014 20:12:40    1661237

By the time the All-Ireland quarter-finals swing around, how you got there is irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Treaty_Exile (Limerick) - Posts: 386 - 07/10/2014 20:29:11    1661243