I dont see why you say Leinster have 12 counties playing in the Leinster Championship when KK have not completed in that competition in Yonks. Your new 8 county divisions would still end up with the same counties dominating the All Ireland series, only more so.The provincial championships would be utterly devalued, if carried on at all. Those wonderful days when we saw Leitrim, Clare, Westmeath, Laois and Kildare celebrate rare championship wins or the likes of traditional counties like Limerick, Louth, Tipperary and Wexford come so close as they all did since the start of the century would be no more. What you are proposing would merely further enhance the game in successful counties and diminish any chance 'that another brother might get nearer the throne'.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 15/10/2014 17:28:35    1664041

All valid points oldtour.Im a traditionalist also,especially when the so called weaker teams do well,but the provincial system is gone past its sell by date.We need same games for all teams.Must be done.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 15/10/2014 17:36:38    1664049

Woops
On at least four occasions in the last fifteen years, 03,04,05 and 10, probably the toughest games Kerry had, except against Tyrone, were those against Limerick. Especially in 04 when after a very closely contested replayed Munster Final Kerry cruised to victory in their remaining games in the All Ireland series by an average of 6 points a game. Cork were lucky indeed to beat LK in 2008 and 2003 once by three points and by a point in the 09 final. So much for the very poor Munster opposition. Tipp also played in a drawn Munster Final in 2002 and of course they won a Minor All Ireland in 2011 beating a star studded Dublin side in their own backyard in the Final.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 15/10/2014 17:57:48    1664055

Blimy the fact this topic is STILL going says what a lot of people from all over the GAA think on this topic #timeforchange

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 15/10/2014 18:01:14    1664058

@ cuederocket - if you want an open draw, should Leinster not set an example. I have no interest in making this next point but if you want to discuss it, your county are seeded to avoid fellow semi-finalists. Ye can look forward with confidence to at least a provincial semi-final. That's the Leinster championship's perogative and own business at the end of the day. You mention 10 footballing counties in the province. Where's their pedigree reflected in the league?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7853 - 15/10/2014 18:38:46    1664066

I agree,it should be an open draw in Leinster.No doubt about it.I never said our 10 predominantly football counties were drinking from the top table.Was merely making the distinction with your own province,s 5 predominantly hurling counties.Success is cyclical in the province,as i mentioned in earlier post.Not so long ago Meath were the countrys top dogs,winning 4 All Irelands in 12 years.Im just looking for a fair,even amount of games,crack of the whip for all counties.Im all for giving weaker counties a chance.I

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 15/10/2014 18:56:50    1664070

I agree,it should be an open draw in Leinster.No doubt about it.I never said our 10 predominantly football counties were drinking from the top table.Was merely making the distinction with your own province,s 5 predominantly hurling counties.Success is cyclical in the province,as i mentioned in earlier post.Not so long ago Meath were the countrys top dogs,winning 4 All Irelands in 12 years.Im just looking for a fair,even amount of games,crack of the whip for all counties.Im all for giving weaker counties a chance.Ive advocated some counties amalgamating before.Ive looked for a 2 tier championship,with 2 groups of 16,and a promotion/relegation format.Anything but the yearly hammerings that the likes of ourselves dish out to long suffering counties,who just dont have the numbers to seriously compete.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 15/10/2014 18:59:05    1664071

Lets be honest all GAA fans want to see a proper team thats good to watch when it comes to the semis and the final.

Kerry are the only team that play football the way its supposed too and down through the years all the real football stars come from the kindgom,
apart from one or two springing up from other counties.

I propose moving Cork to ulster to ensure kerrys rightful place in croker in September.

Nobody wants to watch a snoozefest between two handpassing monotonous ulster teams in the final. Would bore everyone to death.

ky4sam2014 (Kerry) - Posts: 32 - 15/10/2014 19:03:43    1664072

ky4sam2014

Nobody wants to watch a snoozefest between two handpassing monotonous ulster teams in the final. Would bore everyone to death.

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This year's final probably featured more handpassing and defensive football than anybody could care to remember. A good way to reduce the number of all Ulster Borefests would be to get rid of the provincial setup and have an open draw with more matches featuring the beautiful Kerry football. We could increase from 3 or 4 beautiful Kerry matches a year to 7 or 8.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 15/10/2014 19:44:25    1664092

Also speaking of unfair advantages, the main advantage is the dubs playing at home every game.

In other sports top teams like Chelsea have an almost unbeaten home record in the last few years and if they were at home every game they would be unstoppable.

If Kerry played every game at home we'd have close to double the all irelands.

ky4sam2014 (Kerry) - Posts: 32 - 15/10/2014 19:49:15    1664096

5/10/2014 19:03:43
ky4sam2014
County: Kerry
Posts: 19

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Lets be honest all GAA fans want to see a proper team thats good to watch when it comes to the semis and the final.

Kerry are the only team that play football the way its supposed too and down through the years all the real football stars come from the kindgom,
apart from one or two springing up from other counties.

I propose moving Cork to ulster to ensure kerrys rightful place in croker in September.

Nobody wants to watch a snoozefest between two handpassing monotonous ulster teams in the final. Would bore everyone to death.

+1

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 15/10/2014 19:59:59    1664099

Yeah sure there's still grumblings over a replay in Limerick.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7853 - 15/10/2014 20:00:29    1664100

5/10/2014 19:49:15
ky4sam2014
County: Kerry
Posts: 19

1664096
Also speaking of unfair advantages, the main advantage is the dubs playing at home every game.

In other sports top teams like Chelsea have an almost unbeaten home record in the last few years and if they were at home every game they would be unstoppable.

If Kerry played every game at home we'd have close to double the all irelands.

Great point Moomoo

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 15/10/2014 20:02:12    1664101

Offside_Rule
County: Antrim
Posts: 1720

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But clearly your system explanation is flawless

Not flawless Corrxxx - would probably be on a par with your 'not being pedantic' skills.

Touched a nerve eh! I'm going to heed the advice of the amreican comedian George Carlin and concede defeat to you Offside

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 15/10/2014 20:15:03    1664109

cuederocket
County: Dublin
Posts: 1295

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Kingdom,would u say its an advantage to play in a province of 6(with 5 predominantly hurling counties),or a province of 12(with 10 predominantly football counties).Have a wee think for yourself.The answer is staring you in the face.If you think thats fair,well so be it.

Cuederocket, Id gladly swap Cork for 9 of the 10 so called football counties in Leinster. Carlow,Longford,Offaly,Louth would simply be more confidence boosting target practice for young fellas like the geaneys and o'donoghue.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 15/10/2014 20:28:07    1664115

Whether Kerry fans like it or not the only team that can fill Croke park regularily is Dublin. It is a fact that Kerry fans don't travel. Look at any of the semis involving Kerry usually have less full Croker than one involving Dublin. For economic reasons alone the GAA need the Dubs. No Dubs no money basically. Kerry fans dont travel and will never fill Croke park- they barely filled Limerick this year.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 16/10/2014 13:43:40    1664249

A good advantage for Kerry is having a number of partisan Kerrymen in the National Broadcaster. Handy if ye want to highlight a Tyrone minor kicking the ball away from the Goalkeeper in a Final but largely ignore it when it's a Kerryman in a Senior Final.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 16/10/2014 14:13:00    1664269

Galwayford
What has our ability to fill croke park got to with us having an advantage ?
Tyroneed
Barry John didn't kick the ball away, if you watch it again you will see that firkin was taking his kick from about a foot outside the 13 meter line which is not aloud.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/10/2014 14:30:33    1664279

Not flawless Corrxxx - would probably be on a par with your 'not being pedantic' skills.

Touched a nerve eh! I'm going to heed the advice of the amreican comedian George Carlin and concede defeat to you Offside

Ha - no nerves touched at all. But since you obviously didn't get what that post was getting at I shall also leave it as the poor farm donkey has been flogged enough over its recent activities without flogging it to death.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 16/10/2014 14:43:25    1664286

Corxx,we need equal games for all teams across the board.Regardless of the quality of the 4 counties u mentioned,having a competition with 12 teams in one group,and 6 in another is not equitable.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 16/10/2014 14:44:44    1664287