As a knockout competition, Kerry have no more advantage than the next team when it comes to the business end of the championship i.e. from the final round of qualifiers onwards. With the seeding in Munster, Kerry did have the advantage that the likelihood of them losing in Munster only had any potential if they met Cork.
From the final round of qualifiers on, the competition is a knockout, you don't necessarily have to be the best team in the country to win it. Kerry proved that this year just as Wimbledon did in 88, Liverpool in 2005, Chelsea in 2012, Daniel Laruso in the All Valley Karate Championship in 84

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 06/10/2014 10:21:56    1660603

The seedings have been changed slightly for the 2015 championship, Cork and Kerry still receive a bye to the semi finals as they were the 2014 finalists but this year the semi finals are an open draw so kerry and cork could meet in a semi.

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 06/10/2014 10:37:05    1660608

you don't necessarily have to be the best team in the country to win it. Kerry proved that this year

No doubt about it. Kerry were the best team in the country this year. Donegal were no 2 after their demolition job in the semis

aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 665 - 06/10/2014 11:14:19    1660624

Jesus the bitterness and bregudgery on here in last two weeks is something else. How do lads sleep at all with the prospect of Sam wintering in Kerry for the 37th time. You would think at this stage they would be resigned to the fact that we will never go away!!!

P.S., isn't the Leinster championship seeded on the basis of the finalists, just like the new system in Munster will be???

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/10/2014 11:16:09    1660626

I think Kerry's superior ability to score goals and points greatly advantages them ;) Seriously, Kerry will usually be in the latter stages, irrespective of the system used. I would say that a seeded system works against Munster counties other than Cork and Kerry, but if they vote for that, so be it.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 06/10/2014 11:24:06    1660633

Thats fair enough NavyNBlue but Larusso did have the distinct advantage of having Mr Miyagi in his corner!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/10/2014 11:26:16    1660639

That trophy had Johnny Lawrence written all over it brend, only that Miyagi softened him up a few weeks before the competition.
Also, the poor egotistical management by John Kreese robbed young Bobby of a final place. A johnny vs bobby final - I would have rather watched that than Donegal vs Kerry anyday

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 06/10/2014 11:50:06    1660651

Do Kerry have an unfair advantage?

This year Tyrone would have had to beat Down and then Monaghan to get to the same stage that Kerry started the Championship.

Next year again 2 teams in Ulster would have to win 2 knockout matches in the Ulster Championship to get to the same stage that Kerry start the Championship.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 06/10/2014 12:44:31    1660667

This is not begrudgery and I don't even want it leveled at me as a)it has no relevance to the all-ireland final as Kerry deserved the win on the day and b) I made the following point months ago on the topic...

It isn't fair that one sub-section of a competition can be seeded and others not. People said that the Munster council can do what they want and though that might be the case, it shouldn't be. Anything that happens in the provincial titles needs to looked at in the context of the overall competition. If you are going to seed one province then seed them all. All or nothing - there needs to be consistency between provinces when they are all part of the same competition.

Of course, we are already severely lacking in consistency purely due to the make-up of the provinces which is why I am a big supporter of making the competition champions league style based on seeding.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 06/10/2014 13:14:49    1660680

Congress is there for motions to be brought forward. Division 4 counties got voted out of the qualifiers and then back in. Dublin Region and Tyrone failed with a motion for a champions round. Winter well ;)

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7853 - 06/10/2014 13:45:16    1660692

Dublin Region....yawn.

Are you writing that in the hope that it might catch on legendz???

Because it clearly hasn't. You have tried your best. Makes you look pretty pathetic.

Its about time they split Kerry in two, and Kilkenny. Winning....down with that sort of thing!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 06/10/2014 18:08:32    1660803

I think the jury is out on whether a 'short' schedule to the AI Series is an advantage or a curse. I compare Kerry in football with Galway in hurling. The results are inconclusive. In any event, schedules and number of games req'd should be comparable. Starting all strong teams with a requirement to win three 'provincial' rounds before the AI Series can be achieved, by having Ulster QFs as well as a Munster/ Connaught champs playoff round. This addresses the 'tyroneed' post above concerning the two game gap.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2596 - 06/10/2014 19:13:23    1660835

No doubt but the Munster championship is a joke. A bad joke really. Seeding it is wrong. Kerry have an unfair advantage. Yes they have good players and a good manager and sponsor. But Mayo were robbed. And there is a lot of anger about the situation. A lot of anger.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 06/10/2014 19:47:25    1660843

Re last post Galway play in Leinster championship now, so they have no soft games. They barely got by Laois this summer.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 06/10/2014 20:07:22    1660856

kerryrowz
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1660588 Yes, we have the best footballers in Ireland with a winning mentality. James o Don said it all that he didn't what his name brought in Quizs saying who were the only kerry players who had all stars and no SAMs to their name says it all about Kerry really.

There was a lot of years that ye had the best players in Ireland, but this year isnt one of them . But at the end of the day ye cut your cloth to measure and won Sam and have to be congratulated, and as legendixx says ad nauseam ye can now winter well under the under that blanket ;)

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 06/10/2014 20:13:39    1660857

Were you at any of Fingal County's league or championship games this year JayP?

Galway's hurling fortunes have not changed too much by Leinster involvement. Same goes for Antrim. I see Galway's Leinster links are strenghtening so seems set in stone now.

The legend that is John O'Keeffe reckons Munster is no preparation for the All-Ireland series. I'd agree with that. Ulster is like being in division 1. The best preparation for the latter stages. The replay game was a massive this year. The sort of test we needed and that we do not get enough of.

Tipperary and Clare to their credit are working hard. They cannot be discounted from pulling off a shock. Only 1 Munster county in division 4 next year. Lads from some of these counties admit with all their games against the top 2, you'd think they'd improve at some stage.

@ AthCliath - You're welcome to your opinion but I disagree regards this not being a year of having the best players. They were not really known of nationally but that does not mean they were not of quality which has subsequently been shown to be the case. You know the drill - for now we'll winter well :D (aka hard to get too deep into some discussion that's for another day.)

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7853 - 06/10/2014 20:39:45    1660869

I guess its all irelevant who has better players Legendixx for the moment. To the victors go the spoils . Ye cut your cloth to suit and as a unit did what ye had to do to win .

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 06/10/2014 21:26:05    1660897

lol, if that's what you want to believe.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7853 - 06/10/2014 21:53:52    1660907

Snufalufagus
Only a matter of time before a kerryman comes on and blames a Dublin lad for this thread!


Just like it is only a matter of time before more posters realise that it in fact was started by a Dublin lad... HandyMoran knows more about the day to day happenings of the dublin club championship than he does about the Roscommon senior squad.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 07/10/2014 09:43:59    1660930

07/10/2014 09:43:59
TheMaster
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1660930 Snufalufagus
Only a matter of time before a kerryman comes on and blames a Dublin lad for this thread!


Just like it is only a matter of time before more posters realise that it in fact was started by a Dublin lad... HandyMoran knows more about the day to day happenings of the dublin club championship than he does about the Roscommon senior squad.

started by a She actually master. I'm entiled to my opinion. As stated before I'm from Roscommon but actively involved in club football as I'm married to a Dub/my kids are Dubs.The Rossies wil always be my no 1.

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 07/10/2014 10:23:02    1660946