Culchie

So can we all agree that from the moment that the ball is thrown in, the referee should do his best to enforce the rules, and then let the game flow within thsoe parameters? And that skill should be protected ahead of physicality?

Couldn't agree more - its not the refs job to let the game flow, its his duty to blow for frees when he sees them. The onus needs to be put back on the players to play the game within the rules and stop focusing on the odd mistake a ref may make in the course of the game. For the most part most referees would agree with this but then others still seem to make up their own rules. That will only stop when more players take up refereeing and we see more choices coming through. Consider how many referees come from the two teams in the AI final? Does that not say something about the attitudes of the people within those counties to referees?

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 01/10/2014 15:56:42    1659067

Did u hear the Tipp management or players complain about the 09 penalty awarded to R Power?Did u hear the Tipp management or players complain about the penalties having to be struck outside the 21 yard line for the first time since the GAAs inception in 1884??

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/10/2014 16:02:10    1659068

AGin a slew of letters are dealing with the officiating by the referees.THE UNDENIABLE FACT IS THAT IN THE PAST YEAR MORE THAN EVER A VARIETY OF PEOPLE H AVE BEEN DISGUSTED WITH THE OFFICIATING.GO BACK ON THE RESULTS.I COULD GIVE YOU THE NAMES OF A SLEW OF TV COMMENTATORS WHO THREW UP THEIR HANDS INEXASPERATION AT SOME OF THE DECISIONS DURING THE GAME.and how about the myriad of reporters who wrote of their exasperations while coveRING the game for their papers.It is the biggest problem the GAA has on its hand right now.It is the big problem thEy dont want to touchh for some unknown reason. Whyyis ther e not a summit conference toevaluate the situation..One possible but drastic solution would be yo set aside a panel of referees an pay them professionaly.The problem wont go away.GAA, do something about it,

brianboru (Clare) - Posts: 561 - 01/10/2014 16:22:32    1659079

Brianboru that is an idiotic post right through.

You obliviously have no clue of the changes, programs, trainings etc that have been put in place. Refs are much much better than they were and they make less but more scrutinised mistakes.

PAY REFS!!! Name me a professional sport were they do not moan about their professional refs??? Money is not the solution.

Maybe the answer is these pundits and journalists, who you have so much respect for, start reffing. Show the rest how it should be done. 90% of the comments they make about refs are only good for fertiliser.


You are part of the usual load mouth crowd who know how it should be done..............but are totally and utterly incapable of doing it

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 01/10/2014 16:33:55    1659087

Just getting back into the forums now and spotted this thread.

A few things.

Why should anyone managers , players , commentators be shunned for talking out about referees? A lad gets put off for a filthy tackle, have we not all heard the stuff commentators say about them? Why is it not ok to call it a spade of spade? The decision in question was criminal. It wasn't a free either way. Even Brian Gavin got the penalty decision wrong last day out. Completely unacceptable. This is an All Ireland every decision that will potentially lead to a score must be spot on!

Look at the football final. BJK kicked the ball off Durcan's tee in the final moments and Martin Kearney went on for a good 30 seconds on air about how unsporting it was and bla bla, And yet a manager cant single out a refeeres decision?

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 01/10/2014 16:59:08    1659101

If a player tries to trick a ref into believing he is fouled and is unsuccessful? Do we congratulate the ref or criticize the player?

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 01/10/2014 17:39:33    1659118

Heftydickonem
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Again here we have this staggeringly stupid question of "Anyway we missed and ye won so what's the issue?" Why should the result of the refereeing decision determine whether or not the desision should be analyzed? If a team has 3 men sent off incorrectly, but the team still manages to win, should the 3 sendings off be forgotten about?

Concerning the free against Hogan, if it was not given, who knows what could have happened, KK could have scored, Tipp could have scored, so to imply that desision made by the ref didn't matter is just laughable.

If you read up further you will see how the "question isn't staggeringly stupid"! Tipp won the free as it was as blatant a frontal charge as you can see. Read through the forum here and you have people with no affiliation to Tipp saying it was a free....so whats the issue?!!!

How any man can say that decision is criminal I will never know. As a back I would always do my best to do exactly what Paudie did. A forward will tell you (Hogan being the forward in this case) that to get around a man you drive through the tackle but if you put your shoulder to his chest its a free out.

If Maher came at Hogan with his shoulder to Hogans chest (Hogan has ball), then isnt it a free everyday of the week? (Apart from Tyrells frontal charge on Callinan in 09 maybe!).

This whole thing is gone ridiculous at this stage!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/10/2014 17:57:33    1659121

CROSSFELDBALL, THANK YOU FOR A FINE LETTER. You made some excellent points.What a contrst to witnof of dublin, who displayed the usual balderash, wich fortunatly we experience infreequenly on these pages.witnof completely ignorees that a severe problem exists,and then attacks the possible solution tha is given.He is probably unaware thet six counties, including kilkenny,clare,tipperary,waterfrord,wexford and cork- there may have been others-expresses their concern over some major decisions referee BARRY KELLY MADE on games he officiated at this year . WITNOF SHOULD LOOK AT THE REAL PROBLEM,INSTEAD OF THROWING STONES AT POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS.!!!!!!

brianboru (Clare) - Posts: 561 - 01/10/2014 18:04:46    1659122

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RpPtgzPY_o

1.44.00 in the video

Had a look again and Hogan made no attempt to get around Maher. Maher clearly stood his ground where Hogan clearly turned his body. Granted the rules aren't always fully implmented but anyone surely can see that the rule states that as a free and rightly so. Maher is a big man and came out on top in the tackle but thats irrelevant.

Tipp correctly won the free, Hawk Eye ruled it wide (all clear decisions).

At the end of the day Tipp are the big losers in all of this as so many have put it...a rule was changed mid cship that may or may not have given us a better chance at an All Ireland.

It is quite laughable that you mention the penalties when 09 Powers was clearly not a penalty!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/10/2014 18:08:53    1659123

The other thing about Kelly's decision is that he was right on the spot and could see clearly what happened so I would say it was a free in his honest opinion.It's as clearcut as it could have been from the referees point of view.

BallBearing (USA) - Posts: 72 - 01/10/2014 19:19:35    1659141

brianboru

Perhaps you could comment on why Clare has no referee on the hurling panel and I cannot remember many Clare referees in the past, could it be that you prefer complaining about referees in Clare rather than developing them, it also seems like a long time I heard of one from Kilkenny.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 01/10/2014 19:33:48    1659144

What we need to see now is the CCCC making a stand in defence of the referee and dealing
with this outrageous behaviour in the strongest possible terms.Cody needs to pay a severe
price just like anyone else who comes up with a libellous statement.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1459 - 01/10/2014 19:39:17    1659147

Brian Hogan left the ground. That is a charge. A free was given. Cody is wrong.

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 01/10/2014 19:48:22    1659151

Of course it was a free to Tipp because it was awarded against the dreaded Kilkenny, role reversal and it would be the worst decision in living memory!.

kildarecat22 (Kildare) - Posts: 257 - 01/10/2014 20:00:19    1659155

Boru.......Cork???? JBM if hé has problems handles it correctly as he is a true sportsman. Not like certain managers who hide in the dressing rooms at Half Time after having mouthed off at the ref.

Crictisim is not the issue but how it is done. Fèw gentlemen in the world like JBM unfortunately.

You clearly know nothing about theGAA if you do not know of the courses, trainings, recuirtment etc. that goes on. Tell me an era were refs were better?

Your solution is money but cannot namé a sport were this has solved the 'ref problem '

As opposed to you I do not jump on bandswagons.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 01/10/2014 20:04:57    1659159

kildarecat22

Cut the childish, victimisation nonsense, it would have been a foul no matter what team committed it, deal with the actual issue of this thread which was Cody being out of order, are man enough to admit that was the case?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/10/2014 20:19:37    1659166

Htaem, well shiver me timbers, I'm sure that Cody's verbal was all about the said decision.

So he used the word "criminal" hardly the end of the world, virtually everybody who watched that game media and supporter alike (apart from the green eyed monsters who instantly go blind if a contentious decision goes against the hated Kilkenny) were scratching their heads in bewilderment.

Like others have said on this thread why should refs be beyond reproach, this ref has made more than his fair share of contentious decisions, its almost understandable if some believe he works on an agenda?.

Ah but they're only human!.

kildarecat22 (Kildare) - Posts: 257 - 01/10/2014 20:37:50    1659173

Well that was some politicians answer, a load of words used but nothing said.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/10/2014 21:02:44    1659183

Good article on the subject by Sean Moran in the Irish Times today. Have to say that I agreed with everything he said on the matter.

murof (Kildare) - Posts: 480 - 01/10/2014 21:11:21    1659185

So what do you want me to say Htaem?, that Cody was wrong, because he won the All Ireland and it should not have been said?.

Nobody knows what way that interview was conducted, maybe Cody never mentioned the Barry Kelly debacle only for it to be coaxed out of him by the interviewer, and what he said was probably what many others were feeling anyway?.

kildarecat22 (Kildare) - Posts: 257 - 01/10/2014 21:13:41    1659188