I find it hard to see how anybody from leading hurling counties like Kilkenny, Clare, Wexford, Limerick and Galway are so willing to criticize referees when there is not one grade one referee between the whole lot of these counties. Is it any wonder when respected managers like Cody and Davy feel free to lambaste them at every opportunity, even when they win, that so many are disinclined to referee at the top level.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4340 - 30/09/2014 17:10:10    1658662

gilly2308
Ban how in god's name can you understand the man's frustration, they have just won yet another All Ireland, and here he is moaning about a free from a completely different game

Firstly, Cody's comments were probably a very small part of his interview, brought out by the person interviewing just to make a story - job done there then.
How do I understand his frustrations - because he's a manager and managers like a certain amount of control (hence they put themselves forward for these extremly tough roles)
When a ref pulls a stinker of a decision like Barry did then there's not a thing in the world you can do to save the game if the free is converted. The winning of the game was out of Kilkennys control. I said earlier - you can make up for bad decisions througout a game but not at the final puck. All the hours and effort put in to win back Liam has been massivley influenced by the one person who's not even playing.
It was similar to Meath and Louth back a few years back. To this day I still feel for Louth - such a bad mistake so late on in a game!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 30/09/2014 17:26:05    1658674

The difference being ban,that Louth lost,and Kilkenny didnt.Some decent posters on here like Bennybunny(correct me if im wrong benny),actually agree with the free being called against Kilkenny.So its not as black and white as your making out.Either way,Cody has let himself down with his comments.I see the Westmeath chairman has come out against Cody now.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 30/09/2014 17:44:38    1658686

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1658686 The difference being ban,that Louth lost,and Kilkenny didnt.Some decent posters on here like Bennybunny(correct me if im wrong benny),actually agree with the free being called against Kilkenny.So its not as black and white as your making out.Either way,Cody has let himself down with his comments.I see the Westmeath chairman has come out against Cody now.

Cue, it was a stinker of a decision. An absolute howler. Brian Hogan, the only man who slows down when he's "charging".

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 30/09/2014 19:19:21    1658736

I wouldnt have given the free myself,but 3 posters on the 1st page of this thread,said they agreed with the decision,so there must be some ambiguity in it.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 30/09/2014 19:24:16    1658739

Ballydallane,I wouldnt have given the free myself,but 3 posters on the 1st page of this thread,said they agreed with the decision,so there must be some ambiguity in it.Looking forward to next years League already.At least we hurling men have the club championships to get us through the winter months.TG 4 do a great job in this regard.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 30/09/2014 19:26:26    1658742

I thought at first viewing it was harsh. On second viewing it was definitely the correct the decision. When I look at it in slow motion, Padraig Maher is in a standing position. Brian Hogan is the person in the possession of the ball. The rule in question is 5.28 a and/or 5.28 b. These rules do not mention whether a person has to speed up or slow down. Brian Hogan (not maliciously)turns his shoulder toward the chest of Padraig Maher. Brian Hogan ends up on the ground. Duignan in commentary says he dived. I think he slips. Under the rules quoted above, Barry Kelly gives a free to Tipp. Kilkenny (and every other team) may have a gripe with the consistency of applying the rules. I certainly think everyone needs to change the 'ah let the game flow' attitude which means we ignore fouls.

Of course, I am from Cork, and I am not allowed to comment on a free given against Kilkenny because that makes me embittered, hostile, ungracious, jealous etc etc

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 30/09/2014 19:47:21    1658755

cuederocket
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1658739 I wouldnt have given the free myself,but 3 posters on the 1st page of this thread,said they agreed with the decision,so there must be some ambiguity in it.

I'm not remotely swayed by that, Cue. My time on GAA forums has taught me that there's an army people out there who would never, ever acknowledge if Kilkenny were hard done by a ref.

I don't think any other top class ref in the country would have given that as a foul at any stage of any match. That's 3 years in a row that major, controversial calls have gone against the same team, from the same referee. As the Yanks say, "do the math".

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 30/09/2014 19:48:26    1658756

Well here is a fourth:

ballydalane

It was an offensive foul he ran like a train straight into a brick wall, its not the brick walls fault he crashed and burned. What was the defender supposed to do "vaporise" just more Cod-y-ology from the masters. Look at it again on youtube, he ploughed into the man the fact he was lighter and bounced off the defender doesn't deminish the fact he ploughed into a guy standing his ground - stonewall (excuse the pun) offensive foul. But thats history, whats not is Cody's lack of class.
Calling that an act of criminality !! don't know what crime is like in Kilkenny but where I live that's not a crime.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 30/09/2014 19:59:39    1658760

Take the blinkers off arock, it was an appalling decision, commentator says shouldered by Bonnie Maher??, I saw no shoulder used only Maher shoving both his arms straight into Hogan who was trying to deflect the inevitable blow

kildarecat22 (Kildare) - Posts: 257 - 30/09/2014 20:13:29    1658764

their are 4 Kilkenny players that take 7 or 8 steps with the ball in their hand and never penalised its going on for years must be practised in training the amount of scores the get by taken steps is massive just watch c fennelly,r power,r Hogan and in defence j Tyrell.i was watching a league game a few years ago against cork and r power took 12 steps with the ball in his hand and scored a vital goal what hope has a defender got of getting the ball I just cant believe how refs are not stopping them.

leftback (Limerick) - Posts: 64 - 30/09/2014 21:11:18    1658791

I knew Brian Hogan was a gentleman but I never knew he was so conscientious that he slows down when "charging" an opponent. Someone should tell him he's doing it wrong.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 30/09/2014 21:22:13    1658798

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their are 4 Kilkenny players that take 7 or 8 steps with the ball in their hand and never penalised its going on for years must be practised in training the amount of scores the get by taken steps is massive just watch c fennelly,r power,r Hogan and in defence j Tyrell.i was watching a league game a few years ago against cork and r power took 12 steps with the ball in his hand and scored a vital goal what hope has a defender got of getting the ball I just cant believe how refs are not stopping them.
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Oh Lord Jaysus. What started off as a thread discussing Cody's comments on Barry Kelly, has now moved onto big bad Kilkenny players, gulp, overcarrying the ball!

Quick, someone post something about Kilkenny goalies coming outside the square for puck-outs and we'll have the full set.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 30/09/2014 21:32:52    1658805

Ballydalane,your so busy fighting fires here,you havnt had time to provide the statistics for Saturdays game(:

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 30/09/2014 21:39:37    1658806

Having looked back on it myself, it probably was free for Tipp but it was still a slightly harsh decision after 70mins of exhilarating hurling but Cody's comments were still very sour and unnecessary and it takes a serious pair of biased blinkers not to see or acknowledge that.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 30/09/2014 21:39:51    1658807

Yes it was a free and Cody is 100% wrong.No wonder he wants to get rid of yellow cards in hurling. Sur we'll just let the game flow have no ref at all. then everybody will be happy.no fouls just huge scores in every game all from play. fast puck outs , selectors attacking players with hurleys why not.

I would propose a public apology from Cody if I was Barry Kelly!!!In the middle of Athlone on a stage & Cody admit he was wrong!!!Then beg for forgiveness!!!
None of this apology in writing malarky sur is-int that classed as a keyboard warrior!!!!

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 30/09/2014 21:47:03    1658811

Ballydalane.............Cody was wrong. He attacked Kelly personally in a very deliberate way. If his players were targeted like this he would not accept it.

Manipulative at best. Unacceptable.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 01/10/2014 08:31:54    1658820

Ballydalane.............Cody was wrong. He attacked Kelly personally in a very deliberate way. If his players were targeted like this he would not accept it.

Manipulative at best. Unacceptable.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 01/10/2014 08:35:47    1658821

I'd like to clarify a few things:

1. I don't think Cody actually said he wanted to get rid of yellow cards. I think a lot of people have dreamt that. I'm pretty sure he said there was no reason to introduce new cards when he was asked about the black one. If someone can quote him saying it then please do.

2. Brian Hogan was not charging. If you look back at the replay you will see that his eye is on the ball, he looks up and sees Maher in front and tries to side step him. Both feet are off the ground when Maher meets him. It was a coming together and not a free in either direction. (reference I have completed a referee's course to ref in the UK)

3. The media often misquote people. Has anyone actually heard the Cody interview and what tone of voice he was used and how the questions were phased. For all we know the reporter might of said, "What did you make of that last free, I thought it was criminal" and Cody might of agreed with him. We all know how much Joe Cannings comments about Shefflin were blown out of proportion in 2012. When I listened to the interview I couldn't believe how little he had actually said.

4. Someone mentioned Shefflin and Larkin playing on the edge fouling the Tipp forward running through and that it was a free. He got the free so what is your point? Power and Fennelly were fouled serveral times throughout the game in more dangerous positions and got their frees too.

5. This whole playing on the edge thing is a load of nonsense. KK don't do anything other teams don't do and if they do please point it out and I'll show you other teams doing it too. I can recall serveral incidents of wreckless challenges over the last couple of years and not one of them by a KK man,even going back to the semi final and O' Gradys two wreckless challenges and he wasn't even shown the line.I have yet to see a man leave the field of play because of a wreckless challenge by a KK player. TJ Reid (broken knee), Michael Rice (broken finger) to name a couple of KK players who missed their whole club championship due to wreckless play of another team.

6. I agree with faithfull re the refs on the Sunday game, when we are young and we do something wrong our parents tell us off, when we do something wrong in school the teacher tells us off, if we do something wrong in work the boss tells us off, if we do something wrong on the sports field the trainer tells us off, if the referee makes blatant errors why is he protected? Why shouldn't he be scrutinised like everyone else. They should explain their actions and maybe they'll learn from their mistakes.

7. KK win the all ireland so Cody isn't allowed an opinion? What kind of nonsense is that? He is asked a direct question by the media and he answered it. If he came out and said it after the replay all the keyboard warriors on here would of been saying he's trying to intimidate the ref for the next game. He can't win. I'm not even from KK and it would sicken me the amount of begrudgers on here. Cork, Tipp and Davy Fitz have all slated Kelly in recent years but because Cody may or may not of slated him there is a topic on it and how bad he is.

informed (UK) - Posts: 14 - 01/10/2014 09:50:58    1658848

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1658806 Ballydalane,your so busy fighting fires here,you havnt had time to provide the statistics for Saturdays game(:

Working on them!

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 01/10/2014 10:11:43    1658859