Htaem
Cody was bitter in victory this year, that's how he'll be remembered unless he clears this up very quickly

Let me take this opportunity for speaking on behalf of my good self - That's not how I'll remember him this year.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 03/10/2014 16:46:16    1659843

Right lads,i think weve all exhausted our opinions on this matter.I know i have anyway.Some are not happy with his comments.Some think they were appropriate.Others dont care,one way or the other.We move on.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 03/10/2014 18:21:03    1659885

ballydalane

Fair enough that's an honest and balanced assessment, I respect that.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 03/10/2014 18:36:15    1659890

Cody was neither being bitter or was he whinging. The man will be remembered by me for all the right reasons. Stating facts or giving an opinion is not whinging

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 03/10/2014 20:12:56    1659919

It was a build up of bad calls that Barry Kelly made against the Cats since the drawn AI final in 2012 that lead to Coady's comments. The straw that broke the camels back was the foul against Brian Hogan . Hogan was clearly off the ground when P Maher pushed him over. If a winning coach comes out and complains about the refereeing there's got to be something drastic going on.The level of refereeing is fallen way behind the level that hurling is at now . Maybe it's time for 2 refs , too much pressure on one ref anymore.

richiescats (USA) - Posts: 420 - 03/10/2014 21:04:13    1659930

Richiescats is correct. Hurling games are not well marshalled. The game is too fast. Referees are at times guessing decisions From 40 metres or more. If a game is tight and the decision is towards the end of the game it can be the difference between a win and a loss. I would ask you to have a look at James McGrath's decision in championship (Offaly v Antrim). He called a howler from half the length of the field. Antrim were winning with 1 minute left. Ofally got a goal and won the game. Tomas Mulcahy slated him for it on The Sunday Game.

smellymullane (Antrim) - Posts: 20 - 04/10/2014 09:21:51    1659957

The difference here is that Barry Kelly was 10 feet from the incident with Hogan. In that case are people suggesting he deliberately tried to give Tipperary an unfair advantage ?

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 04/10/2014 10:34:29    1659974

Why SLLY do you think referees are immune to prejudice?.

Look at the panel on RTE everyone of them looked baffled when Michael Lyster brought it up after the match, in fact a Cork man Thomas Mulcahy said he would've gave it the other way?.

Kellys worse case scenario was about to unfold and he dubiously awarded a free against the team everybody hates.

Yes its understandable that the GAA would like the game of Hurling to be more competitive and have the All Irelands shared around more frequently than have one team winning the vast majority, but if anything I think it makes the game more compelling, if you were at a match when Kilkenny are playing and their opponents get a sniff of victory the atmosphere does be electric, the sheer thought of beating the dreaded Kilkenny becomes almost pathological.

Having said that it should be up to the other main hurling counties to try and stop Kilkenny not be helped by quite clearly prejudicial officiating which has creeped into the game in recent seasons.

kildarecat22 (Kildare) - Posts: 257 - 04/10/2014 11:25:35    1659990

Tomas Mulcahy makes it up as he goes, I wouldn't pay any heed to him.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 04/10/2014 11:53:51    1660001

04/10/2014 11:25:35
kildarecat22
County: Kildare
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Why SLLY do you think referees are immune to prejudice?.

Look at the panel on RTE everyone of them looked baffled when Michael Lyster brought it up after the match, in fact a Cork man Thomas Mulcahy said he would've gave it the other way?.

Kellys worse case scenario was about to unfold and he dubiously awarded a free against the team everybody hates.

Yes its understandable that the GAA would like the game of Hurling to be more competitive and have the All Irelands shared around more frequently than have one team winning the vast majority, but if anything I think it makes the game more compelling, if you were at a match when Kilkenny are playing and their opponents get a sniff of victory the atmosphere does be electric, the sheer thought of beating the dreaded Kilkenny becomes almost pathological.

Having said that it should be up to the other main hurling counties to try and stop Kilkenny not be helped by quite clearly prejudicial officiating which has creeped into the game in recent seasons.


Very much agree with this post. It is quite understandable as to why Kilkenny wouldn't be popular with Croke Park and the general public at this stage. All champions who "hang around" for so long becomie boring in the publics eye. The media reflect tis attitude and feed the loathing for Kilkenny with some atrocious articles over the last number of years that have largely gone unchallenged. How often have we read articles accusing certain Kilkenny players of all kinds of things? How often have we read advice been directed at refs as to how to handle the Cats? I remember in the aftermath of the Tipp debacle against the Cats in Croke Park in 2012 many media experts were queuing up with advise for the ref in the upcoming final. Yet the general consensus was that Tipp were the culprits, were hammered in the debacle and it was Kilkenny who were into the Final. In that same match Micgael Rice picked up an horrific injury and there was general silence from Croke Park and the media about it. In fact in that final TJ Reid also picked up a very nasty injury and again, silence. Eoin Larkin was struck with a hurl in the Kilkenny v Cork match last summer, ref Kelly awarded a penalty but never booked the culprit who should have been red carded.

The public and the media have their opinions on Kilkenny hurlers and are entitled to them but it doesn't mean those opinions are correct. Croke Park can be influenced by those opinions as well as refs. But ultimately refs are there to protect ALL players. I'm amused that people should be surprised and so critical of Kilkenny's reference to particular incidents during this week. The bigger surprise is that they stayed silent for so long. Brian Cody broke that silence, it was a long time coming.

Any investigation into Cody's comments would entail looking at various incidents, such as those listed above, over the last few years. In the circumstances Croke Park would prefer for the whole affair to die down. I wonder if Kilkenny would feel the same?

westisthebest (Galway) - Posts: 444 - 04/10/2014 12:49:36    1660034

kildarecat22
County: Kildare
Posts: 241

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Why SLLY do you think referees are immune to prejudice?.

Look at the panel on RTE everyone of them looked baffled when Michael Lyster brought it up after the match, in fact a Cork man Thomas Mulcahy said he would've gave it the other way?.

Kellys worse case scenario was about to unfold and he dubiously awarded a free against the team everybody hates.

Yes its understandable that the GAA would like the game of Hurling to be more competitive and have the All Irelands shared around more frequently than have one team winning the vast majority, but if anything I think it makes the game more compelling, if you were at a match when Kilkenny are playing and their opponents get a sniff of victory the atmosphere does be electric, the sheer thought of beating the dreaded Kilkenny becomes almost pathological.

Having said that it should be up to the other main hurling counties to try and stop Kilkenny not be helped by quite clearly prejudicial officiating which has creeped into the game in recent seasons.

First off, I don't hate KK and I know a lot of people who would love to beat them but certainly do not hate them and I think they are generally respected and seen as the benchmark.I have been at many games where we have lost but also won against them and it is a great buzz to beat the best team over the last ten plus years.

Secondly,if we think referees are also out to get certain teams then we may aswell take them out of the game altogether and just have a lovely flowing spectacle where there are no rules and see how that works !

Considering the amount of scrutiny of referees nowadays by assessors, I would think he would have been dropped before now.
As for RTE pundits, Sheedy and Kavanagh didn't make to much of a fuss over the incident.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 04/10/2014 14:44:28    1660072

It's a bit rich to suggest that Cody was trying to influence future referees by his comments!

People really do not understand human emotion!

Cody responded to a question. He commented on Barry Kelly' last free. Full stop.

Cody or no other hurling or football manager have tried to influence decisions this far out from a championship.that is ill informed in my opinion.

Cody was celebrating the win.

A great manager. His record speaks for itself.

Down this way we meet Kilkenny people. They don't rate Barry Kelly. The same as many down south don't rate Brian Gavin.

When referees have to make Game changing decisions their decisions are questioned. It's the nature of the game.if we change our nature then our game will be all the poorer for it.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 04/10/2014 14:53:48    1660075

westisbest read this article from the Munster Express from August 2009, the Munster jealousy was getting into full swing,

4 more All Irelands and 3 League titles later???

http://www.munster-express.ie/sports/gaa-hurling/rules-of-engagement/

and this from yes you guessed it a Cork man,

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/skehan-gardiners-kilkenny-ref-claims-dont-add-up-195768.html

kildarecat22 (Kildare) - Posts: 257 - 05/10/2014 08:59:01    1660241

See Sexton having a go at Cody now. Why doesn't he go through the proper channels :-)
Pot, Kettle and all that stuff!!

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 08/10/2014 10:34:37    1661343

So people are saying that Brian Cody was correct to air his opinion as a manager at Barry kelly..Ok then,well lets have a free for all after every game where the managers can cut loose at referees with their opinions and how they performed on the day..Pure anarchy would ensue if this was to happen..John Sexton has come out as a sort of back up to Barry Kelly and should be commended for standing up for Barry,more referees should do the same..Sexton is also correct when he states that Brian Cody has stayed quite about all the calls that went for Kilkenny..Fair play to Sexton.

Bigdong (UK) - Posts: 66 - 08/10/2014 11:00:55    1661363

I cannot understand why Cody is disputing a legitimate free against his team.
If Brian Hogan had gone on and scored would that have given Tipp licence to come out and do similar ? We would have been told to lie down and take our beating as was the case in 2009 when we were rightly screwed in every way possible by the ref.
I have no gripe with Kilkenny as its the ref's who call the shots in the game but I dont believe the manager should come out when the call was correct and within the rules.
In the league final the ref allowed for the puck out and Kk won it im sure Barry Kelly would have allowed more time as Bubbles took some time to take the free in the first place.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 08/10/2014 12:14:17    1661392

Any update on this or anything from the CCCC?

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 636 - 16/10/2014 16:05:35    1664334

gahfan
County: Wexford
Posts: 242

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Any update on this or anything from the CCCC?

Yeah! He got the chair.
You can be sure there wont be any sanction or it'll be some daft 2 games in winter sideline ban.

911 (USA) - Posts: 41 - 16/10/2014 17:57:07    1664389

This game was quoted by alot as the best ever game of hurling in the history of the game. It takes three teams for this to happen,......Kilkenny....Tipperary.......an Barry Kelly and his team. There are many incidents in the game that another ref would call diffefently. If as quoted in another post refs were not up to the level that teams are at now then this game could not have been the specticle it was. Barry Kelly is a top notch ref and Brian Cody is way out of order. Class manager but went down in my own estimations. Cheers for providing so many great years of class hurling Brian but as quoted Killkenny didnt perform to their ability that day and as we all know when you are not going 100% these decisions will go against you. Suck it up Cody and move on.

royalrock (Meath) - Posts: 32 - 16/10/2014 18:18:17    1664396

Disappointing outcome but am not one bit surprised either

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 636 - 17/10/2014 17:32:01    1664772