what a load of muck....what colour medals fo they give out fot sixth and ninth place these days!!!! if you want to see how you team ranks go to your provincial championship and see how there're developing as for the league in in current format good look using that as barometer ....look at kerry this years
....so in conclusion 1winner rest losers...its school yard stuff to chatting about what ifs and what nots ...1 name on the trophy move on to 2015

booboo (Cork) - Posts: 1382 - 25/09/2014 10:52:29    1656831

The league results may not count for much but - 1 winner, rest losers is muck.
If, say, Carlow, Leitrim or WestMeath over the next 3 yrs were getting to AI quarters or semis & competitive even if losing would you regard them as losers. I doubt most of their fans or GAA fans generally would. It might be different for the bigger counties, like say Cork ;-)

timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 25/09/2014 11:22:25    1656840

Could these results not be a bit off if for example you ar in Ulster and have to play a preliminary and then a replay to get to the final. Compared to smaller provinces like munster or connaught. What i mean is you have more chance of playing matches in Ulster and Leinster, therefore more opportunity to score.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 25/09/2014 11:50:34    1656851

but their not as i said go to your countys provincial games and see how your county are developing if your a real fan u will know long before the senior team become competitive......but all this chat about my twam only had 14 men so we're as good as ye or we hit the post twice soi better than ye is childish......as i said silver medal are for the furnace let alone ninth and eleventh places.....the fact is every team ranks below kerry in 2014....in this elite level nothing else matters

booboo (Cork) - Posts: 1382 - 25/09/2014 11:56:59    1656856

booboo
....so in conclusion 1winner rest losers...its school yard stuff to chatting about what ifs and what nots ...1 name on the trophy move on to 2015

Some Counties dont have 300 senior clubs booboo, a massive population, resources to burn so when they're focus is not on unrealitic targets, instead getting the most out of themselves as a team, and County.
Saying Counties like Clare and Tipp are loosers this year because they didnt land Sam says allot more about the planet you come from and probably gives us a fair insight as to why you've decided to give yourself the forum name of Booboo

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 25/09/2014 12:21:38    1656877

but their not as i said go to your countys provincial games and see how your county are developing if your a real fan u will know long before the senior team become competitive......but all this chat about my twam only had 14 men so we're as good as ye or we hit the post twice soi better than ye is childish......as i said silver medal are for the furnace let alone ninth and eleventh places.....the fact is every team ranks below kerry in 2014....in this elite level nothing else matters

I never understood this attitude myself. No-one has argued that Kerry don't deserve to be top of the tree. If you are talking about real fans, I was at the McKenna cup and National league matches and not one person in my county could have forecast the summer we had. No ranking system is perfect but it reflects the general position your county is in the country.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 25/09/2014 12:22:55    1656880

Cavanman

Those are the opening odds
Which means nobody had placed a cent from any county.
The bookies got it right regarding Dublin all summer apart from one match to be honest
As each time they put the handicap betting it was almost spot on.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/09/2014 13:17:12    1656895

ban kerry dont have anyqhere near 300 clubs or infinite resouces ALL counties should be aspiring to firstly win their respective provences and then push on to all ireland level jyst like donegal did with limited clubs players and finances so if u think the clares tipps westmeaths are settled for mediocracy due to their limits well thats sad.....this ranking thing is just nonsense

booboo (Cork) - Posts: 1382 - 25/09/2014 13:34:46    1656903

Ros1

Hardly true considering since Jim Gavin took over
Dublin last year had Tyrone put them on the back foot in the league final and came through it the hard way.
Meath pushed them all the way in the Leinster final but Dublin came up with the answers needed.
In the semi final Kerry scored 3 goals in 20 odd minutes but Dublin stook to their task and won the match by 7 points.
Mayo came at them in the final from the start and went 4 points up but Dublin played their own game and cane out winners.
This year cork had Dublin beat at half time in most observers eyes but Dublin turned a ten point deficit into a seven point win by full time. In the quarter final Monaghan kept us scoreless from play for 20 odd minutes but Dublin kept their nerve and stuck to the game plan and won by 17 points.
So to suggest Donegal were the first team to put it up this Dublin team is rubbish. Donegal deserved their win on the day but Dublin have won five of the six trophy's available in the last two years. One bad day at the office hardly makes that fact dissapear

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/09/2014 13:37:14    1656905

booboo

You should try managing a team, you seem to think its all very straight forward and easy!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 25/09/2014 13:55:54    1656914

Being the champions is all that matters, anything else is nonsense.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/09/2014 14:02:12    1656919

hill the dubs are somewhere in between a great side and a bad 1 that was found out...obviously when things were going well they were the best team ever and so on while once they lost they were overrated and found out so they are somewhere in the middle of those descriptions its just a pity that people always seem to get so carried away and lose all perspective

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 25/09/2014 15:30:43    1656948

Hill this is about 2014, not 2013. Are you really saying Monaghan put it up to the dubs i was at that game and it was over before half time. The signs were there against Cork in the first half of what happened against Donegal. I am not saying the dubs are a bad team, just that 3 teams were better then them in 2014.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 25/09/2014 16:47:54    1656973

Bohoo Donegal are the twelfth biggest county and Kerry the fourteenth biggest neither of them are small counties. Many of the counties who are bigger then them are either in the north or hurling counties. Both counties have more resources then most counties, for example the Kerry group have Kerry a gift of a million euro not to long ago.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 25/09/2014 16:53:53    1656977

s goldrick
County: Cavan
Posts: 3114

1656355 I think the rankings are spot on.

how on earth can anyone claim that a one-off championship qualifier game (longford v derry) should dictate the rankings of those two teams.

Yes rankings are as correct as anyone could possibly do it.

Nobody was claiming that. Someone was asking a question on how the rankings were derived, which was answered very well. No one questioned the answer given.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1134 - 25/09/2014 17:51:22    1657001

The tread is end of year rankings - i.e. Where Counties rank now at the end of the current season.

Rankings in most sports take in a period of time, not just the current year - Golf, Soccer, Snooker are examples

So, if there was proper Ranking in GAA football then Dublin would be out the gate by the time the semi finals came around this year bu virtue of the fact they won the national league last year along with Leinster & Sam, and the national league this year and Leinster

So, for that reason one would wonder if Kerry's victory over Donegal in last Sundays effort of a final be enough to leap frog the Dubs? I'm thinking no!

Dublin
Kerry
Mayo
Donegal
...

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 25/09/2014 20:39:20    1657066

League means nothing really, if you reach final it gives an advantage for the upcoming champ but majority of counties use the league as a way to blood new players and try new gameplans, just look at Kerry had an awful start to the league but won the last few and survived in Div 1 and went on to win the AllIreland. Ranking should be based on champ and it's a fine line between Donegal, Dublin, Mayo and Kerry for the top spot. Dublin played in 2 Finals since 2011 winning both, Donegal played 2 won 1, Kerry played in 2 and won 1, Mayo played in 2 lost both (whats new there), so top dogs at the moment are
No 1 Dublin
2 Kerry or Donegal both have played in 3 out of 4 semis 2011-14
4 Mayo
5 Cork

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 25/09/2014 21:44:16    1657090

fabio8
County: USA
Posts: 620

1656948
hill the dubs are somewhere in between a great side and a bad 1 that was found out...obviously when things were going well they were the best team ever and so on while once they lost they were overrated and found out so they are somewhere in the middle of those descriptions its just a pity that people always seem to get so carried away and lose all perspective

i never mentioned anything about being the greatest side ever.
the point being you cant be found out or a bad side for loosing one match in two years.
we won 5 out of 6 trophys in the two years.
it has only ever been done once before that a team won 6 out of 6 trophys in two years.
kerry are the all ireland champions for 2014 we know that
but does that automatically make them the best team in the country at the minute
I feel not as I believe dublin would beat them and have done 3 times in the last two years

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/09/2014 10:22:02    1657133

ROS1
County: Roscommon
Posts: 96

1656973
Hill this is about 2014, not 2013. Are you really saying Monaghan put it up to the dubs i was at that game and it was over before half time. The signs were there against Cork in the first half of what happened against Donegal. I am not saying the dubs are a bad team, just that 3 teams were better then them in 2014.

monaghan set out in the same style as donegal, so yes they hedl us scoreless from play for the opening 20 odd mins
is that not putting it up to us? the fact that we had the game won by half time is the point im making
we got the scores in that game that we didnt take against donegal in the next game
had we of got them scores it would have been a similiar story.
I fail to see how 3 teams are better than us at the minute?
we won 2 out of the 3 trophys this year, we achieved more than mayo or donegal so if your talking from a rankings
based on achievments in the year dublin would be in second and kerry 1st with mayo and donegal in third and 4th

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/09/2014 10:26:30    1657137

The statistics don't lie hill. That's why these rankings are good in that it is purely based purely on stats. Your own rankings are taking into account hypothetical games with hypothetical results. This is purely subjective. So from a statistical point of view, they are completely accurate

HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 26/09/2014 10:55:24    1657151