hurlingdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 6627

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Yes they have Cavanman: two regular league games, one league semi final and an AI final.


and that makes 5 games??

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5018 - 23/09/2014 18:00:07    1656187

Thank you JP for this.

Certainly being first or being champions is all that matters.

Looking at the numbers to the right. We can see that the second biggest gap between any two teams is between Waterford and New York. Waterford play in the McGrath Cup. They play in the national league, the Munster championship and the qualifiers. New York get a hammering once a year. Alarmingly, the biggest gap is between the the 4th and 5th based teams. On this year, in reflection, this is about right.

The championship effectively started started the day that Kerry and Mayo played. There might have been other good games but they were between teams that had no hope of winning or teams that did playing beneath themselves in terms of intensity (Donegal v Derry for example or Mayo v Roscommon).

Who has the best chance of becoming top 4 (like premiership)? Who has the ability to play at the same intensity as Dublin, Donegal, Mayo or Kerry and beat them?

Monaghan? I think they have given it their all and have pushed hard at two stages and have just been denied a semi-final position on 4 stages.

Another Ulster team? possibly though not next year.

Cork? if they get Donegal passports and spend a few years up there learning to play as part of a team before they ever disgrace themselves again

Leinster teams? hammerings by Dublin teams shatter their confidence - no chance

Connacht teams? hammering by Mayo shatter their confidence

In summary I think these rankings are quite revealing and very fair.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 23/09/2014 18:07:07    1656190

Hurlingdub stick to the hurling. Your footballing facts are incorrect FACT!!!!!
Mayo v Dublin last 5 meetings
1 Mayo 0-19 V Dublin 0-16 2012 All-Ire semi final. Mayo win
2 Dublin 2-14 V Mayo 0-16 2013 League game. Dublin win
3 Dublin 2-16 V Mayo 0-16 2013 League Semi. Dublin win
4 Dublin 2-12 V Mayo 1-14 2013 All-Ire Final. Dublin win
5 Dublin 3-14 V Mayo 2-17 2014 League game. Draw
Dublin 3 wins
Mayo 1
1 Draw.

Always_Mayo (Mayo) - Posts: 29 - 23/09/2014 19:20:38    1656235

Apologies> I thought Dublin had won the drawn league game. Good as really as I recall the shattered little face of Horan afterwards :-)

Anyway, Dublin are still clearly ahead of Mayo.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 23/09/2014 19:46:28    1656255

Rankings are usually take in more than the current year.

Kerry
Dublin
Mayo
Donegal
Westmeath
...

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 23/09/2014 19:54:37    1656261

Hurlingdub Dublin have to prove themselves all over again because at this present moment in time Mayo are clearly ahead of Dublin going by semi final and final result, and we all remember the shattered little face on Gavin after being soundly beaten by Donegal bless!!!!!!!

Always_Mayo (Mayo) - Posts: 29 - 23/09/2014 19:59:40    1656268

Every team must prove themselves all over again including kerry. That's the nature of competition!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 23/09/2014 20:10:36    1656281

Gavin may have been shattered but I didn't hear him making excuses and blaming everything from the ref to the stadium for having been beaten!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 23/09/2014 21:45:37    1656336

I think the rankings are spot on.

how on earth can anyone claim that a one-off championship qualifier game (longford v derry) should dictate the rankings of those two teams.

Yes rankings are as correct as anyone could possibly do it.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 24/09/2014 08:31:03    1656355

This actually looks like a reasonably accurate system.
I love a bit of science behind these things.

OffalyBigBall (Offaly) - Posts: 625 - 24/09/2014 09:05:33    1656364

1. Kerry

2-32 - The rest.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 24/09/2014 09:43:06    1656377

Thanks for posting the table. I do like a bit of number crunching, confirms what I suspected all along, Kerry #1 with everyone else looking up at them!

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 484 - 24/09/2014 09:57:59    1656380

dublin 5/4
kerry 4/1
mayo 6/1
cork 15/2
donegal 11/1
armagh 20/1

thats paddy powers verdict for next years all ireland
only 3 days after kerry were named champions
would seem not many people would label kerry the best team in the country

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/09/2014 10:43:25    1656413

paddy power got it wrong this year. didn't they ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 24/09/2014 10:46:17    1656418

wouldn't read too much into those odds.

dublin have a team with a real chance of winning it and a huge population - therefore have more money down on them and are favourites. if 2 million ppl backed carlow, they would become favourites even tho they aint gona win it. .

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5018 - 24/09/2014 12:50:03    1656505

the odds tend to reflect the public opinion
and most people would say yes kerry won the all ireland
but if dublin and kerry were to meet next weekend
who would you have your money on?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/09/2014 18:50:07    1656677

kerry..the odds are also taking into account the difficulty involved in winning all irelands back to back i imagine

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/09/2014 19:10:09    1656690

s goldrick
County: Cavan
Posts: 3109

1656418 paddy power got it wrong this year. didn't they ?

..or did they in fact get it right?? Like what i did there...

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 24/09/2014 19:16:51    1656692

Hill the first team that put it up to the dubs, gave them a good beating so it is fair to say that the dubs were the weakest team in the semi finals. The rankings are good but Sligo for example would have had a better year then Louth but are ranked lower on this list.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 24/09/2014 21:48:07    1656782

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 8473

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the odds tend to reflect the public opinion


odds, by their nature, HAVE to reflect public opinion. that way, the bookie minimises his risk.
i.e. the team with the most money laid on them will be "favourites" regardless of the likelihood of them winning - so in this instance, Dublin have a huge population who genuinely believe they will win Sam next year and have backed them heavily, making Dublin strong favourites.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5018 - 24/09/2014 21:55:14    1656791