Damothedub

Concur completely, and an incident two years ago illustrates your point about amatuerism and why they don't really stay with GAA. I was training a juvenile team one evening when a man and two tall lads very obviously foreign nationals asked me where Home Farm soccer club was as they where going to attend U16 trials. I directed them and the man asked was there somewhere he could get a coffee as they'd traveled from their home in Galway!!!

And while foreign nationals from Eastern Europe play say basketball, they don't generally join local clubs they set up their own, so there is more happening here that goes way beyond sport. And the notion we should "change" is ridiculous, change what!!

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 24/09/2014 11:30:23    1656445

Have a look at the Dulwich Harps u14 team in this youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udi9oDl9-g0

They destroy pretty much everyone they play in London and have had success in Ireland on their tours too.

The GAA is for everybody in South London.

Wests_Awake (Galway) - Posts: 877 - 24/09/2014 12:03:30    1656464

regarding Dulwich sadly not many if any of them continue on after U14 level, its mainly encouraged through the school principle who is Irish. But because none of the parents have any interest in GAA there is no push form them to get their kids to continue playing.

Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 24/09/2014 12:29:06    1656485

All well and good at under 14's Wests_Awake but how many of the kids that have played at that level for Dulwich have pulled on a Senior shirt for the club?

The Gael's involved in England have total respect for these lads and they play some fantastic football but it has been noted that they fail to move onto the Dulwich senior panel, why?

The Academy they are involved in has done well to get GAA games out to different groups which is the way to go if we want Gaelic Games to grow across the world. But IMO the true sign of an underage structure working is the progression from playing at that age to a senior level…. If you create a conveyor belt of talent for years to come you are meeting your aims and IMO fore filling your role….

No disrespect but as good as the lads have been I don't see them as a good example in this instance.

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 24/09/2014 12:45:25    1656498

Hurlingdub, if the Irish are looking for someone to blame for the dissolution of our culture, maybe we might look at ourselves before blaming others.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 24/09/2014 19:04:14    1656685

Yerrah, yeah. If you want politics, go to an Ard Fheis. If you want to spew as Gaeilge, traipse off to the Gaeltacht. It's about sport. I was rubbish at it. No coordination, lots of speed and a bit of a gurrier. I would be an All Star this year, so I would.

As for the mystical association, hurling was as much a part of Cornwall as Cornish and mining. Get them playing again. If they can take up cricket in Holland then a bit of hard sell with hurling wouldn't hurt. I just resent anyone who questions J Sherlock, S Mumba or M Fassbender for not being 'the real deal'. Jeez, I'd settle for being able to play football like Sam, sing like Michael and act like Jason.

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 24/09/2014 19:28:21    1656700

errrm...what?????

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 24/09/2014 19:39:15    1656708

joncarter, I already answered that point. It is no excuse for further dissolution, unless you want Ireland to become completely deculturated, along with all the other destructive elements of mass immigration like crime.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 24/09/2014 20:35:57    1656734

hurlingdub
County: Dublin
joncarter, I already answered that point. It is no excuse for further dissolution, unless you want Ireland to become completely deculturated, along with all the other destructive elements of mass immigration like crime.

I know I'm repeating what others have said, but antipathy towards Irish/Gaelic culture is already there, and it comes from Irish people. Immigration won't make that worse. And if we end up with more Seán Óg Ó hAilpín's, we'll all be happy.

As for native cultures being diminished by mass migration, it depends on how attractive the native culture is, or how open it makes itself. If traditional/cultural bodies, such as the GAA, reach out to new arrivals to the country, and try to include them in our culture, then we could all be stronger for it. If we cultivated a sense that our Irish/Gaelic heritage belonged to everyone in the country, regardless of where a persons parents were born (or even regardless of where they were born), then we'd have have a very strong culture indeed, and we'd all have something to bind us together, regardless of different origins. That would take effort, but it would be worthwhile.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 24/09/2014 21:16:40    1656763

so hurlingdub.. what are you advocating.. a ban on all immigration. that ireland withdraw from the EU.
do you think there was no crime in Ireland until recently ?... do you read tabloid newspapers and listen to radio phone-ins ?. are you a taxi driver ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 25/09/2014 09:03:34    1656798

Is that supposed to be clever goldrick?

I would limit immigration to people who are in demand for jobs that no-one here is qualified for.

Anyone who thinks that mass immigration here is not going to be the disaster it has been in Britain, which is the conduit for most of the free loaders who come here fallsely claiming asylum to live off the state, is a naive fool.

As fr "do you not think there was no crime before" is a complete Aunt Sally. Crime is getting worse; 20% of prison population are non nationals. Excusing that on the basis that there was crime before is just about the stupidest excuse anyone could come up with!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 25/09/2014 10:31:33    1656820

What do you read goldrick? Something free, surely

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 25/09/2014 10:32:39    1656821

hurlingdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 6634


I would limit immigration to people who are in demand for jobs that no-one here is qualified for.

Wow ! that's a good one. explain how that would work.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 25/09/2014 11:12:09    1656835

hurlingdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 6634

1656820
Is that supposed to be clever goldrick?

I would limit immigration to people who are in demand for jobs that no-one here is qualified for.

Anyone who thinks that mass immigration here is not going to be the disaster it has been in Britain, which is the conduit for most of the free loaders who come here fallsely claiming asylum to live off the state, is a naive fool.

As fr "do you not think there was no crime before" is a complete Aunt Sally. Crime is getting worse; 20% of prison population are non nationals. Excusing that on the basis that there was crime before is just about the stupidest excuse anyone could come up with!

Are those figures correct? The last figures I saw was 10.4 percent of prison population was made up of non-Irish nationals which roughly works out the same as Irish citizens in proportion to the overall population....

bubba83 (Dublin) - Posts: 333 - 25/09/2014 11:43:47    1656847

Lads, this topic is going way off the original subject. If ye wanna debate the crime figures please do it elsewhere.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 25/09/2014 11:54:31    1656853

Personally I make no distinction between irish people or foreigners when it comes to getting jobs, making no attempt to get off the dole or the percentage of each in prison etc etc, we're all humans on the one rock at the end of the day, live and let live.

As for non nationals playing Gaa, I like to see that, I like to see as many people as possible playing sports and trying to keep healthy, it's not exactly a bad thing.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/09/2014 12:00:27    1656860

As stated above this thread has gone way off topic. Stick to the topic at hand, anything off topic will not be posted from now on. Admin.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 25/09/2014 12:01:10    1656861

MancIrish:
All well and good at under 14's Wests_Awake but how many of the kids that have played at that level for Dulwich have pulled on a Senior shirt for the club?

The Gael's involved in England have total respect for these lads and they play some fantastic football but it has been noted that they fail to move onto the Dulwich senior panel, why?

The Academy they are involved in has done well to get GAA games out to different groups which is the way to go if we want Gaelic Games to grow across the world. But IMO the true sign of an underage structure working is the progression from playing at that age to a senior level…. If you create a conveyor belt of talent for years to come you are meeting your aims and IMO fore filling your role….

No disrespect but as good as the lads have been I don't see them as a good example in this instance.

As far as I know, only about 3 or 4 have progressed into the senior panel, the star probably being the young Brazilian lad that looks a wee bit like Jason Sherlock and is seriously fast.

I think Dulwich suffer from not having a proper minor/u21 team. These youngsters tear up the u14 & u16 competitions, but then drift away as there is no link for continuation. Also a couple of them have signed professional forms with soccerball clubs, and one has even gone on to be a worldwide rap star no less. There's a bit more money and glamour in those fields then the big old GAA field in Ruislip!

I see why you'd say that this is a bad example, but I think it depends on how you look at it. For getting non Irish people involved in the GAA surely it is a roaring success?

Retaining their interest and for them to continue playing into their late teens/early 20's is the challenge.
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Wests_Awake (Galway) - Posts: 877 - 26/09/2014 11:19:04    1657172