Nick

And yes there is a financial burden but 50K?

I'm sure Kilkenny could do with a 50K hand-out and Donegal and Kerry - oh wait Kerry have their own creative menas of raising extra cash. In fact any county failing to balance the books just send shortfalls into GAA HQ, and if you get to a final - just take from the knock out counties cash allocations. Bizarre request.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 12/09/2014 12:39:25    1651299

Arock it's an additional match with at least another 1.5m for the GAA coffers. We are looking for 3% of the gate receipt. I'd be shocked if Klkenny aren't doing the same. So the two teams in the final will get 100k to run teams for 3 weeks and the GAA will get 1.4m for the other 30 counties.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 13/09/2014 12:35:23    1651567

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Nick our county board had serious financial difficulty 2 years ago after funding the preparation of a team for three all-Ireland finals in a row followed by a semi final appearance. The only good thing to come out of our early exit last year is it gave us a chance to sort out our out big financial deficit.

Its cost at least 1.2m to fund a tilt at an all-Ireland so an extra 50k to fund a three week extension of our season is peanuts. Clare and Cork got a dig out last year and I'm sure it was the same for Kilkenny and Glaway two years ago.

You should get your facts right before making wild statements. Should our county board go broke in the middle of a recession so you can have 2 hours amusement on a Saturday night at the end of September.



Hold on here lads..a few points here. My own county have been in recent financial problems too and they haven't made an All-Ireland final in years. So do they deserve a hand out too because from what I gather they haven't been getting one. For a start it's shameful the amount of money that is being spent on preparing teams and I highlight again how are the likes of a small county like Carlow and others suppose to win an All-Ireland if it costs so much to get there. It's no coincidence that you see the likes of Tip, Cork, Galway and Dublin dominant in GAA year in and year out. Tip shouldn't be complaining they have the second best stadium in Ireland and now Cork are getting a huge upgrade too. Why wouldn't that money be better used helping other counties out with preparing underage teams etc.. and spread a bit of the joy. No green eyed monster here at all lads but it's time the GAA had a reality check. If they are going to spend 50k getting a team together for a replay game it's time to start paying the players. I'd love to see the breakdown of those costs at the end of the year. So back to my point if Tip are in financial trouble just like my own county they should start looking at the books and make sure they have budgeted appropriately.

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 13/09/2014 13:54:06    1651580

There is an argument that every county should get equal funding each year no matter how far they go. Again it just highlights the ridiculous structure of the championship.
Every team should be getting the same amount of games bar a Quarter final, Semi final and Final. Current structure will always favour the teams who have always been top of the pile.

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 13/09/2014 13:59:00    1651581

Sure Wexford have had a couple of replays over the past couple of years in the championship too sure they should also get another 50k for those...NO

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 13/09/2014 14:02:39    1651582

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Arock it's an additional match with at least another 1.5m for the GAA coffers. We are looking for 3% of the gate receipt. I'd be shocked if Klkenny aren't doing the same. So the two teams in the final will get 100k to run teams for 3 weeks and the GAA will get 1.4m for the other 30 counties.

If you went by your logic Carlow would get 50k every year and yourselves would get 1.2M. Sounds silly but it's probably not far off!

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 13/09/2014 14:10:43    1651583

Players and managers (were told) dont get paid so apart from petrol expenses I dont see why a training session should cost anything. Maybe if counties like this ditched the psychologist, statisticians, astrologists and other hangers on they wouldnt be so far in debt.
GAA people pride themselves in the "professionalism" of our inter county set ups these day, but I think its quite self defeating. This boom-esque mentality is costing counties a fortune, which is all the more worrying when you take into account the fact that they dont have the money to repay the debts.
Pay now, worry later. Well see the day when a county board folds.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 13/09/2014 15:36:00    1651608

Jon Carter, your argument that a training session "shouldn't cost anything" doesn't stack up. A very conservative estimate would put a minimum cost at:
Travel expenses for 30 players, a manager and 4 selectors (assuming round trips of only 20 miles @ 50c per mile) = €350
1 meal for each of the above (€10): €350

That's at least €700 per session before adding the cost of lights, hot water, equipment, playing gear, medical expenses etc. How add in a physio/doctor/strength & conditioning coach etc and it's easy to see how the bills will quickly mount up.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 13/09/2014 16:08:50    1651612

At least 700 euro per session? Thats do able, but I think I heard that the Tipp board were spending over 100k per session in the run up to the 2010 final. Crazy stuff if true.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 13/09/2014 16:22:42    1651617

Meath recently took out a 1 million euro loan. Can we have a hand out too? Sure 1 million would only be 33% of the gate from the replay in 2 weeks...

Seriously teams especially from counties that do well in all grades and codes need to be a bit more efficient. If you don't have the money to spend don't spend it. I agree that croke park should compensate the teams. 30k each is enough. The rest of the money made from a replay should be spread around the association.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 15/09/2014 09:17:00    1652036

Nick you seem happy to make your own point and reiterate it but you don't seem interested in anyone else's viewpoint.

Everyone of your posts smacks of the green eyed monster and you are condescending using Carlow to make your point. Last year Laois, Carlow, Westmeath and Antrim lobbied for more money to help develop hurling in those counties and Liam O'Neill responded to that request with extra money .

As for our stadium in Thurles we organised 5 feiles between 1989 and 1994 and a day trip to Tipp in 1997 or 98 to pay for the redevelopment of Semple stadium. Our supporters club and county board are constantly fund raising and we had a night at the dogs on the 6th of September.

My main point that you conveniently ignore is our season has been extended by 3 weeks outside of a regular season. What that means is the county championship will be played off in a hurry to keep the Munster council happy or we will have no club representative in the Munster club championship. What all this means is mid-week matches with smaller gate receipts that if the match had been played on a Sunday afternoon.

So between an extended season and reduced gates for county championship matches we will be out of pocket.

The replay between Kilkenny and Tipp will mean more money in the coffers for everyone else. I don't see why Tipp and Kilkenny should be the fall guys.

I've no beef with Wexford but I am sorry that you have such a dislike of Tipp.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 15/09/2014 15:22:59    1652238

Joncarter have you managed a club or run a club?

I don't know where to start with your suggestion that training should be done for free.

Maybe there should be some fitness and probity test that should be done by the GAA before you are allowed on a county board to make sure that county boards are properly managed.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 15/09/2014 15:28:07    1652242

PS Nick the replay with Dublin last year meant you got home advantage against them this year and a full house in Wexford park.

The replay with Clare this year also meant, yes you guessed a full house in Wexford park. Those replays must be a huge drain on the Wexford county board having to take all that cash to the bank on Monday morning.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 15/09/2014 15:34:15    1652246

https://tipperary.gaa.ie/tenner-tipp-training-fund/

We wouldn't be doing this if we were swimming in cash. These wild assumptions that we are chancing our arm looking for 50k are really annoying.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 15/09/2014 15:37:59    1652248

Agree with you Killarney I'm sure any other county would ask for the same if in a similar situation.


If you don't ask you wont get.

GAA should cough up and give both counties extra funding. Its not gonna break their bank account in all fairness.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 15/09/2014 16:00:20    1652266

i havent managed or run a club or county Killarney, but i still just dont see where the need is for all this money. Id say loads of it is squandered on things like team building excercises and other trendy little fads like that.
I read the book "the club" by Christy O connor. A very good read, but he talks alot in the book about the clubs (st Josephs of Clare) financial difficulties, and then at one point he decides to pay to chopper in Paul O Connell, who doesnt have any interest in hurling, to give the team a pep talk before a game (which they went on to lose by the way).
Word of advice guys, if your club is in financial difficulty, DONT WASTE MONEY ON A BLOODY HELICOPTER.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 16/09/2014 17:15:42    1652786

Joncarter do you not think your assumptions may not be as accurate as you think then if you haven't been involved in the running of a club?

To run a one team junior club is very expensive, never mind a county team, trust me I know only too well. What has St Joesph's got to do with Tipp getting 50k from next week's gate to cover the expenses involved with the replay?

Do you think the Burlington will put them up for free? Who will cover the mileage expenses of players and management for the additional training sessions or the meals after training? Who will pay Kavanagh's or whatever bus company is chosen to ferry the players to Dublin and Croke park on match day? Who will pay the extortionate train fare (assuming CIE don't go on strike again) from Hueston to Thurles next Sunday? Who will pay the medical bills to get Bonnar and any other Tipp player (fingers crossed) carry a knock right for the replay? Looks like Cathal Barrett needs a new helmet after the first match. I saw some hurleys break last week.

Everything item I listed above are additional costs that are unavoidable ahead of the replay. We'll agree to differ on other costs such as psychologists and other backroom team but we are quiet happy to have them on board.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 16/09/2014 17:57:34    1652809

fully agree....
But it should be more than 50,000 as the club championship will either be on hold or rushed through....

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 16/09/2014 20:03:50    1652855

First things first, the three week gap between the final and the replay will ensure Tipp and Kilkenny have incurred costs they in all certainty didn't budget for so yes, €50k is fair enough IMO.
These nutritionists, shrinks and fitness guru's don't live on water.

As for Wexford having a few draws etc, etc, it was still in the general championship timelines and no doubt they gained a few quid extra on the gates at Wexford park, different thing altogether.

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 17/09/2014 09:36:31    1652925

The point Im trying to make Killarney is that alot of these clubs and counties who are moaning about a lack of finance are only in that position because they spent their money stupidly in the first place.
Paying managers (dont forget youre not supposed to do that), paying for psychology sessions, fancy training camps, I know of one club here in Galway who paid a players rent if he agreed to line out for them.
I acknowledge that I havent been in your position, and believe me I have great admiration for volunteers like yourself who keep GAA clubs up and running, but my policy on club finances in post boom Ieland is simple, if something isnt absolutely necessary, dont pay for it. I guarantee thered be a lot less clubs and counties in financial difficulty if everyone adhered to that.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 17/09/2014 19:10:26    1653199