offaly were 10/1 third favs in 1982. hardly outsiders?5/1 in the final.i know cause i backed them at both prices/donegal were 25/1 wen the woni t last so they were way bigger outsiders

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 09/09/2014 17:53:44    1650251

Derry went from Division 3 to All-Ireland winners in 3 years i think, with an NFL in 1992 as well

4KHDoneill (Derry) - Posts: 182 - 09/09/2014 17:54:53    1650253

I backed Donegal at 14/1 in 2012 but I think that was before the Ulster final.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 09/09/2014 17:57:48    1650256

Tyrone were 33/1 in 2008 after they were beaten by down in the first round in newry. They came in to 12s before the dublin quarter final. After that, the rest is history. Were they outsiders? according to those prices they were rank. But the bookies got it very wrong indeed imo

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 09/09/2014 17:59:53    1650258

legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 3681

1650244 Donegal's odds were longer this year due to being on the same side of the draw as the capital. It's why they were last in the betting of semi-finalists but once they got through, it's the reason their odds were then all of a sudden shorter. It's been said all year, the team that beats the capital will win the All-Ireland. It'll be a bit ironic if a Kerry side in transition over come a difficult Donegal side and become the biggest shock since Donegal won themselves in '92.

Will that be a the line "kerry side in transition "if ye are bet by another Ulster side in a big game. It couldnt happen again ,could it ?
I think its poised nicely for Kerry to sneek in and win this game with Donegal still coming down from the semi final win.
If Donegal win this game it will be an epic year for them against all the odds. After a tough Ulster campaign , another tough quarters and beating the Dubs in the semi.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 09/09/2014 19:00:52    1650284

09/09/2014 19:00:52
AthCliath
County: Dublin
Will that be a the line "kerry side in transition "if ye are bet by another Ulster side in a big game. It couldnt happen again ,could it ?
I think its poised nicely for Kerry to sneek in and win this game with Donegal still coming down from the semi final win.
If Donegal win this game it will be an epic year for them against all the odds. After a tough Ulster campaign , another tough quarters and beating the Dubs in the semi.

Kerry being in transition is nothing new at all. It was said all of last year. It has been said throughout the league and the championship to date. In fact, it's been said since we exited the championship in 2010. Ahead of the 2011 campaign the Gooch said the fact Jack O'Connor at the time had agreed a 3 year deal was a clear sign that he felt rebuilding work had to be done. People seem to have a problem with it now that the team in transition has made the final against all the odds.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 09/09/2014 19:11:44    1650290

Meath 96 , 33/1 before they played Carlow in first rd of Leinster and Carlow was fav to beat them. So many of the old guard had gone and sean god boylan had a bunch of kids , hammered by 10 points previous year. The single greatest achievement in football management was that all ire, never before had happened and will doubtful ever happen again.
End of discussion.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/09/2014 19:44:22    1650301

Have to agree with the legendz, when Gooch got injured I thought Kerry should really pull out of the c'ship as there was no hope, they've done super to make it this far.

commercials1 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 09/09/2014 19:47:18    1650305

Legendzxix

I think Kerry will always be classed in transition until they win another All Ireland. As you say they have been classed in transition since 2010 and as no Sam has landed in the county since 2009 that must be the case. If you are beat in the final how many more retirements will Kerry have , I'd imagine 5 or 6 players.
As regards shocks Donegal 1992 would be the shock All Ireland winner. Never in the final before and were hammered in the Ulster final by Down in 1991. They won at the first time of asking.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 09/09/2014 20:19:33    1650323

Odds are odds, but I was shocked Kerry didn't get the 5 in a row in '82!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 09/09/2014 20:23:53    1650325

tirawleybaron
County: Mayo
Posts: 96

1650109
Very few of the teams mentioned were "rank outsiders"
Galway were not rank outsiders in '98 because they were up against Kildare who hadn't won a leinster in 80 odd years and in '01 they had won an all Ireland 3 years before with much the same players - hardly a shock.
Armagh in '02 were rank outsiders - most people thought they hadn't the bottle to win it
Derry 1993 - had beaten the defending champions Donegal and Ulster was the best province at the time.
Down 1994 - had one it in 1991 with the same team and Ulster was the best province at the time.
Kerry 2009 - Kerry could never be outsiders against Cork in Croke Park with one of the best teams Kerry ever had.
Cork 2010 - They played a Down team that won nothing before or since and had been in the top 3 teams for 4 years and the final the year before.

Now actual outsiders are hard to find.
2011 - Dublin - up against a great Kerry team and were known as chokers
2003 - Tyrone - defeated the defending champions to win their first all Ireland
2002 - Armagh
1997 - Kerry - One man team beat the finalists from the previous year
1992 - Donegal - Were crap in semi and beat a much fancied Dublin team
1991 - Down - Came from nowhere to win and start an Ulster resurgence
1982 - Offaly - Darby saves the day


Armagh in 02 may not have been the best football team ever but one thing they didn't lack was bottle!! Strange comment coming from a Mayo man....

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1053 - 09/09/2014 20:37:49    1650331

Realdub
What about your own 5 in a row which was mentioned here during the summer. ????

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 09/09/2014 20:39:20    1650332

SamOnErrigal
County: Donegal
Posts: 607

1650332
Realdub
What about your own 5 in a row which was mentioned here during the summer. ????


Funny man, I don't recall ever mentioning that, but if I were you I'd enjoy the good times, we'll be there or thereabouts most years, will ye?

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 09/09/2014 20:42:58    1650334

SamOnErrigal
County: Donegal
Posts: 608

1650332
Realdub
What about your own 5 in a row which was mentioned here during the summer. ????

LOL!!

fielder (Donegal) - Posts: 137 - 09/09/2014 20:56:59    1650340

In fairness Realdub wasn't counting down the games to 5 in a row.

That was more of a west Dublin phenomenom.

Cleatus (Donegal) - Posts: 125 - 09/09/2014 21:10:41    1650345

SamOnErrigal
County: Donegal

Legendzxix

I think Kerry will always be classed in transition until they win another All Ireland. As you say they have been classed in transition since 2010 and as no Sam has landed in the county since 2009 that must be the case. If you are beat in the final how many more retirements will Kerry have , I'd imagine 5 or 6 players.
As regards shocks Donegal 1992 would be the shock All Ireland winner. Never in the final before and were hammered in the Ulster final by Down in 1991. They won at the first time of asking.

Not all all. After a number of retirements and not much underage success, a rebuilding job was clearly required. It's been generally accepted that this All-Ireland final is at least a year ahead of the squad's development. Final appearance or not, with the same group of players, being in transition isn't something that will be the case next year. There are some rumours of more retirements though.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 09/09/2014 21:28:24    1650356

sean og.......Armagh in 02 may not have been the best football team ever but one thing they didn't lack was bottle!! Strange comment coming from a Mayo man....

Ouch!!

Miler (Mayo) - Posts: 1015 - 09/09/2014 21:39:28    1650366

Dublin were 1/3 the morning of the 1992 final v Donegal.

The Face (Monaghan) - Posts: 890 - 10/09/2014 11:23:42    1650474

Are you getting your excuses in eArly, legendix? Kerry have never really been outsiders, like Kilkenny, always one of the favorites. Pull the other one

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 10/09/2014 12:46:57    1650533

kerry would always be regarded as one of the top 5 or 6 for all-ireland success. So they would NEVER be "rank outsiders"
so let's discount Kerry. I think Donegal surprised people in 2011 (but they didn't WIN sam). so people weren't shocked when they won in 2012..alot of people would have tipped them because they had developed a style of play that the rest of the country found hard to live with. it is very rare if not non-existent where a team comes from nowhere to win an all-ireland.
the only shocks i remember were Leitrim winning connacht in 1994, clare winning munster in 1992 and Louth winning Leinster in 2010.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 10/09/2014 13:41:14    1650572