Simple solution

Where did most guys (the average) strike the penalty from before Nash started to take the Mick?

That's your penalty spot!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 09/09/2014 13:18:06    1650057

Solution: Keeper v Penalty Taker from 21 yards out

GAAHattrick (Dublin) - Posts: 278 - 09/09/2014 13:52:10    1650083

Have a 25 yard penalty spot. Let the player bring it in as far as he can. Put 2 on the line. The hard part for the striker is trying to not move inside the 21.

But also - they were 2 of the lamest penalties you will ever see. Dreadful strikes by both.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 09/09/2014 14:19:15    1650101

There has been a lot of talk about this but one thing missed by many is the fact that they were 2 very poor penalties to start with. Even if hey had been struck from the 14 i dont believe a goal would have been scored from either.

Striking a ball so that it bounces up in front of the keeper is great up at your local club pitch in the middle of summer where its akin to hitting it off a concrete path but anyway who has been on the sod at Croke Park will tell ye it will serve nothing only to slow the ball down.

The simplest solution is for penalties to just put 2 on the goal line instead of 3. People see penalties in such a way that if the foul hadnt occurred it was definite goal which isnt the case at all times and in my opinion having just the keeper on the line swings it too much in favour of the penalty taker.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1349 - 09/09/2014 15:24:48    1650151

Would be interesting to see if there are stats available to see how many goals have been scored from penalties taken since the Nash rule came in to being.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/09/2014 15:30:13    1650156

By the way, people say football is cynical, but I'll tell you what. Some similarity between the Jackie Tyrell foul on Sunday and Sean Cavanagh's foul last year.

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Ah yea but hurling is a mans sport, You can decapitate someone in hurling and "ah sure tis grand hurling is not a non contact sport yerra" ....

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 09/09/2014 15:57:10    1650186

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Would be interesting to see if there are stats available to see how many goals have been scored from penalties taken since the Nash rule came in to being.


2. Patrick Horgan scored one and Joe Canning. But plenty of players took their point. I suppose this could be down to the extended distance, or to the situation in the game at that time. For example, I remember Wexford taking a point when it was the right call to do so.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 09/09/2014 16:12:13    1650196

If Tipp had soneone who could take a decent penalty, this debate would not be happening at all

JR_Iarmhi (Westmeath) - Posts: 40 - 09/09/2014 17:08:39    1650235

Penalties;
Why not award two points for a penalty with the team retaining the option of taking a penalty shot.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 09/09/2014 18:55:57    1650280

PENALTIES

Why not award two points for a penalty, hurling and football, with the team retaining the option of taking a penalty shot.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 09/09/2014 19:07:19    1650289

There needs to be a happy medium. The so called Nash situation was dangerous and unfair. A penalty should be converted about 75 percent of the time at least and should be set up to do so. Keeper v taker from the current margin is about right i feel. Three on the line at current distance is weighted towards the defenders even if the Tipp penalties were poor.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 09/09/2014 19:20:47    1650296

I found it very strange the way both Tipp men approached their penalties on Sunday - they both ended up rushing their strike to make sure they hit it from the 21, rather than giving themselves some room and concentrating on getting the strike right, even if from 22 yards.
It is a real pity that the way of taking a penalty for many years has had to be changed due to the actions of a small few bending the rules. Is it completely out of the question to go back to the original rule but state the penalty strike must be completed in a 'natural' fashion? Return the advantage to the taker, but putting an onus on them to respect the rules and the game? Probably a little too idealistic and open to individual referees interpretation I suppose.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 09/09/2014 19:45:14    1650303

Cheers Pinkie. Do you know how many have been awarded per chance?

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/09/2014 20:58:41    1650341

I think I heard 9 Offside_Rule but could have that wrong.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 10/09/2014 14:54:20    1650628

Been a democrat about it, Joe Canning and Pat Horgan had no issue scoring them under the current rule, I don't think there is enough evidence as of yet to suggest this new rule drastically decreases the chances of a score.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 10/09/2014 16:29:34    1650670

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Been a democrat about it, Joe Canning and Pat Horgan had no issue scoring them under the current rule, I don't think there is enough evidence as of yet to suggest this new rule drastically decreases the chances of a score.


Try say that to a Tipperary person ..... If there hadnt been a MID SEASON change of rules then tipp would be all ireland champions
Only two goals scored from penalties all championship season ?????
Acouple of penalities the player actually went for points ???
Do you still think this is a fair rule..Reality is that it driectly benifits the team that are fouling ... its no deterrant
Either put one on the line or go back to the old way simple as... No one will say it but that rule cost tipp an all ireland simple as

But Tipp will take the next day

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 10/09/2014 17:55:07    1650700

early on in the year everyone thought the new ruling on this was perfect especially after pat horgan scored 2 goals from placed balls against clare but the fact of the matter in those situations was that donal touhy was in goal for both and he is a poor goal keeper. both should have been stopped. the best resolution as has been mentioned before is having it as a one on one with the strike being from the current distance. this greatly eliminates the chances of injury while also keeping the advantage with the attacking team which is the whole point of penalties being given..

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 01/10/2014 21:34:25    1659199

Definitely something needs to be done - why not have trials of the penalty taker putting the ball on the penalty spot, them against the keeper (no other defenders allowed on the line), but they cant rise and strike, i.e. hit it on the ground akin to field hockey? Ok the striker will end up hitting it forcefully like a side line cut but i think it should even out things a bit. They should be able to beat the keeper 70-75%* of the time (*stat made up by me)

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 02/10/2014 12:30:39    1659306

Too late for Tipp.The damage is done.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 02/10/2014 13:04:32    1659324

Try say that to a Tipperary person ..... If there hadnt been a MID SEASON change of rules then tipp would be all ireland champions
Only two goals scored from penalties all championship season ?????
Acouple of penalities the player actually went for points ???
Do you still think this is a fair rule..Reality is that it driectly benifits the team that are fouling ... its no deterrant
Either put one on the line or go back to the old way simple as... [b]No one will say it but that rule cost tipp an all ireland simple as

But Tipp will take the next day

Rubbish! If the penalties had been struck on the 14 they still wouldn't have gone in. Bad penalties, plain and simple.

Fester (Carlow) - Posts: 15 - 02/10/2014 13:19:45    1659334