In general I also think the All Ireland final should be decided on the day. Or if there is a replay to have it a bit sooner than 3 weeks and not on a bloody Saturday evening (All Ireland Final day on a Sunday is sacred, not some cheap Saturday night TV entertainment like Ant & Dec's Takeaway).

Having said that, yesterday I was glad of the replay cos our lads were out on their feet at full time!

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Wouldnt disagree with you there!!

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 08/09/2014 17:31:39    1649744

What has ant and decs takeaway got to do with it? I hope Saturday evening finals become the norm.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 08/09/2014 17:35:57    1649750

Because the final gets drawn everyone loses the head.

I am quite happy with the system in place, as its a system that runs right down through the GAA in general to club level.

Don't see players, former players, managers, CBs etc bellaching

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 08/09/2014 18:02:37    1649769

No need for the hyperbole Wayne.

Eoin Larkin is already married afaik.

Demand won't go up and it'll be even easier to get tickets then it was for the drawn. This was seen both last year and the year before. Plenty more tickets available for the replay.

There are valid reasons to end replays and there are valid reasons for replays too. No need to over egg the pudding.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 08/09/2014 18:14:42    1649780

Yeah, I also think extra time should be played for AI finals. You have to give the teams every chance to finish the job on the day. But, you could still end up level.

That said, I'm grateful for the replay. I love top class inter-county hurling, so the more great games I get to watch, the happier I am. If there had not been a draw at the weekend, the thing I derive most enjoyment from would be finished for the year, and I'd be staring into the annual sporting abyss. But now, a great championship lives for another few weeks, and we have another great game to enjoy. I can't complain.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 08/09/2014 19:34:17    1649817

If yesterdays game had gone to extra time then the destination of the All-Ireland would probably have been decided 20 minutes after the likely hurler of the year, Richie Hogan, had left the pitch with cramp following a heroic effort over 70 minutes. Instead of the game being decided by incredible skill, the likelihood is it would have been decided by tiredness and mistakes. Id much rather keep the current system, and I would say if you asked the players they would agree as well. They get to go again in front of 82000 people, rather than being pushed back out for 20 minutes of extra time when they were nearly all completely drained.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 08/09/2014 19:54:49    1649823

The players can train for 70-90 minutes alright but when you play at that pace and with that much intensity it's only fair to say players would be quite happy to go again and they are the ones that count at the end of the day.Unlikely as it is to happen I think if it is to go to a replay then the GAA should have a 20 euro across the board ticket price but that's not going to happen.

BallBearing (USA) - Posts: 72 - 08/09/2014 21:33:25    1649885

I have to say that even though they probably should play extra time and there is a lot of expense involved in traveling up and down to Dublin twice for 2 all ireland finals and all the different expense that's involved..... However I think the majority of the country watching on TV was hoping for a draw, so they could extend the gaelic season and get to see another epic battle between 2 great sides! Not to mention a lot of supporters don't mind either as they see it as another day out!
In a game like that on Sunday, there didn't deserve to be a loser and a draw was a fair result and over 80,000 people left croke park happy that they were still in with a shout of All Ireland glory! I know it might be hard for players and managers to lift themselves to the same levels again and it can be a bit of an anti climax for some not to have a winner on the day. But these players get to play in another all Ireland final in front on a packed Croke park again.... i'm sure there is not too many of them who mind that! And what a great game we have now to look forward to again now!

thechairmanseat (Donegal) - Posts: 23 - 09/09/2014 09:55:58    1649937

As Soma said it would be unfair to have the title decided by the effects of cramp & tiredness on players who had given everything for 70 mins.

Add to that the prospect of another great game & I'm all for a replay.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 09/09/2014 10:53:53    1649971

Surely a bunch of amateurs deserve another 70 minutes to decide such a big game? Do we really need extra time - do people really think one team deserved to lose yesterday?

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 09/09/2014 11:28:53    1649987

Surely a bunch of amateurs deserve another 70 minutes to decide such a big game? Do we really need extra time - do people really think one team deserved to lose yesterday?


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There is just going to be a loser the next day anyway

I'm probably the only one that absolutely hates that rubbish that people spout after a drawn game "Ah but sure look, No team deserved to lose that" ..... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh, Thats sport ? In finals, There has to be a winner or a loser. You dont share All Irelands, Champions leagues, Heineken cups.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 09/09/2014 12:44:57    1650030

A knock-on effect of the replay is that the club championships in Tipp and Tilkenny will be put on hold until the first week of October, at the earliest. Is that fair on the average club player who gets to finish his championship in deteriorating weather conditions. Granted these two counties are actually quite good at playing club games throughout the summer. But imagine if the football final is a draw: the Donegal championship will hardly be over by Christmas!!

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 09/09/2014 13:08:11    1650051

08/09/2014 13:57:57 Thomas Clarke
I wouldn't draw the line at finals. In my opinion, every championship match should have extra time as standard. One of the greatest anti-climaxes in our games is to see two sides go at it hammer and tongs in a cauldren of noise, only for the entire atmosphere to be sucked out as soon as the final whistle sounds and the scores are tied. You could hear a pin drop when this happens, no matter how brilliant the game has been up til then, and it leaves everyonewith a strong sense of disatifaction (aside, of course, from those counting the money).
Sporting contests are, by nature, about determining a winner, and the partcipants in these great battles deserve better than to walk off the field to polite, muted applause. With games lasting only 70 minutes, we are already being shortchanged in terms of value for money when it comes to other sports, so i don't understand why we make it worse by denying us a result to go home with. I kind of agree. Only where its not possible for extra time to be played should a game go to a replay. Problem is how do you decide a winner if teams are level at end of extra time?
08/09/2014 16:41:39 zinny
Everyone but the loser wants the games finished on the day. Seriously after 70 mins of hurling yesterday you want the game decided in the next 20. Players train for 70 not 90. Players in dozens of clubs also train to play a sport that ultimately is a summer sport. The final going to a replay doesn't help the club players who are the majority
08/09/2014 19:54:49 Soma
If yesterdays game had gone to extra time then the destination of the All-Ireland would probably have been decided 20 minutes after the likely hurler of the year, Richie Hogan, had left the pitch with cramp following a heroic effort over 70 minutes. Instead of the game being decided by incredible skill, the likelihood is it would have been decided by tiredness and mistakes. Id much rather keep the current system, and I would say if you asked the players they would agree as well. They get to go again in front of 82000 people, rather than being pushed back out for 20 minutes of extra time when they were nearly all completely drained. Not really.
Replays affect a large number of club players who's seasons will be disrupted again. The players levels of fitness are very high and while some would have been affected by cramp etc that would be the case no matter what.
Games at all levels in all sports are often decided in the final minutes, whether normal time or extra time, by tiredness and mistakes. That's both sport and life. Cest la vie.
I think extra time would be better. No needless replays which cause disruption to season structure which affects so many people and competitions

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/09/2014 14:01:43    1650089

09/09/2014 13:08:11
football first
A knock-on effect of the replay is that the club championships in Tipp and Tilkenny will be put on hold until the first week of October, at the earliest. Is that fair on the average club player who gets to finish his championship in deteriorating weather conditions. Granted these two counties are actually quite good at playing club games throughout the summer. But imagine if the football final is a draw: the Donegal championship will hardly be over by Christmas!! At least in both counties they give club players a proper summer of championship games and there is not a huge number of club games to be played.
In tipp the divisional finals are this weekend and there is only 4/5 rounds of games left if that to decide winners of dan breen cup

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/09/2014 14:04:58    1650091

waynoI, of course there will be a loser, but do you not think that 70 minutes is enough for amateur players?

Also - dont forget that the funds from the replay will go partly to clubs across the country for pitches/dressing rooms/etc - surely that is a good thing?

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 09/09/2014 14:24:32    1650107

waynoI
County: Dublin
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There is just going to be a loser the next day anyway

I'm probably the only one that absolutely hates that rubbish that people spout after a drawn game "Ah but sure look, No team deserved to lose that" ..... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh, Thats sport ? In finals, There has to be a winner or a loser. You dont share All Irelands, Champions leagues, Heineken cups.

The point is not that teams don't deserve to lose but that both sides still deserve the chance to win the game under normal circumstances.

Neither team earned the right to call themselves All-Ireland Champions yet. The main reason for extra time is time issues in professional sports as well as TV etc. Replays are probably fairer but don't fit into modern professional sport as much as they used to.

As you say there still is a loser the next day so what's the problem with the replay in those terms?

The only real argument, imo, against replays is that they unduly impact on club players. Otherwise they're the best and fairest solution imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 09/09/2014 14:34:38    1650117

waynoI
There is just going to be a loser the next day anyway
I'm probably the only one that absolutely hates that rubbish that people spout after a drawn game "Ah but sure look, No team deserved to lose that" ..... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh, Thats sport ? In finals, There has to be a winner or a loser. You dont share All Irelands, Champions leagues, Heineken cups.
09/09/2014 14:34:38 MesAmis
The point is not that teams don't deserve to lose but that both sides still deserve the chance to win the game under normal circumstances.
Neither team earned the right to call themselves All-Ireland Champions yet. The main reason for extra time is time issues in professional sports as well as TV etc. Replays are probably fairer but don't fit into modern professional sport as much as they used to.
As you say there still is a loser the next day so what's the problem with the replay in those terms?
The only real argument, imo, against replays is that they unduly impact on club players. Otherwise they're the best and fairest solution imo. Why should they have to win under normal circumstances? Should no games ever go to extra time?
Having replays puts needless strain on grounds and facilities and adversely affects club games and players

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/09/2014 15:16:48    1650141

The point is not that teams don't deserve to lose but that both sides still deserve the chance to win the game under normal circumstances.

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If that is the case, Then why dont minor finals go to replays after 60 minutes ? These guys are younger yet we expect them to play extra time and go for an extra 20 minutes ? so why shouldnt the seniors be made do the same ?

As you (and a few others) also rightly pointed out, Is it fair on club players who have to wait a month or so longer because a game that could have been decided with an extra 20 minutes of play, is instead put back 3 weeks ?

Is it fair on fans, expecting them to pay for two days out ? Or would it be fair on you or I if Dublin where involved in a final, We pay 80 quid say for a stand ticket expecting to see the game won that day, Only for it to end a draw and us possibly miss out on a ticket the next time around for the replay ? If that was me i'd feel cheated.

What about the players ? Sure they may be extra tired after the extra time, But at least they would know one way or the other before the game that thei IC season will end on that day regardless. They arent professionals and it takes alot of commitment, those players will have to re-scheduele everything in the next 3 weeks around this game, A game that could quite easily have been sorted on the day with a few extra minutes. Instead now they have to mentally prepare themselves over the next 3 weeks for yet another All Ireland final.

And furthermore, Why should Carlow v Leitrim in a qualifier for example go to extra time, And then the winners expected to play the following week, But if you are in an all ireland final and that ends a draw, They get another day ? It just doesnt sit right with me.

The only people/organisations, as i say who benefit from replays, Are the GAA, Croke park, And the people who sit at home watching as neutrals. Players and fans on the day of the original all ireland final dont really in fairness.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 09/09/2014 15:20:32    1650149

waynoI, of course there will be a loser, but do you not think that 70 minutes is enough for amateur players?

Also - dont forget that the funds from the replay will go partly to clubs across the country for pitches/dressing rooms/etc - surely that is a good thing?

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Well, If 70 minutes is enough for amateur player playing senior IC hurling/football on all ireland final day in Croke Park at the ages of 25 26 27 etc, Why is it okay for minors who are 16/17... To play an extra 20 minutes after having to run around on the same pitch earlier in the afternoon if their game ends a draw, They would be playing 80 minutes would they not ?? If their games can go to extra time, Why cant the seniors ?

Besides, Players get a break of about 10 mins before extra time. Its not like the game ends, they switch sides and away they go again. They do get a break to go get a bit of a break, get fluids and food on board, Get the doc/masseuse to work on their tiring bodies etc before going back out for the ET period.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 09/09/2014 15:28:54    1650153

they do waynol...look at the 2008 minor final for instance

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 09/09/2014 15:31:44    1650158