Supporter I'm taking nothing from Donegals performance.
If you make mistakes like we did you deserve what you get.

We have a young team and I hope they step up and be counted on the day.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 04/09/2014 16:07:59    1647996

cacs this thread is about the All-Ireland final. Why don't ya create a separate wee thread on how great that Tyrone team was?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9154 - 04/09/2014 16:12:33    1648003

Lockjaw
County: Donegal
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The copy cat can never be better than the original....

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 04/09/2014 16:19:46    1648007

Give it a rest, cacsmckilly.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 04/09/2014 16:34:26    1648017

Not sure what to make of that if I'm honest...

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9154 - 04/09/2014 16:35:07    1648018

What copycat?

What original?

Mickey Harte is a great man and all Donegal people have huge respect for him. I know the opposite isn't necessarily the case with Tyrone people and Jim McGuinness. Jim has had Mickey's number three times in three games and like the rivalry Tyrone had with Kerry for many years, Tyrone can't get our measure.

IF Donegal win, and you won't find many Donegal people on here or anywhere else gloating about that prospect in advance, then we will have 3 All-Irelanda too, exact same as Tyrone. Football started before 2003, we won in 1992 also. As for the same team winning three, in a six year timeframe the team changes a fair bit.

That was a great era for Tyrone and I personally cheered them on through it all, as nearly everyone in Donegal did. Most Ulster teams support each other but envy kills. Some genuinely decent Tyrone supporters on here too who I know will be right behind us.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 04/09/2014 16:41:36    1648023

Come on now bhoys, surely you understand the original versus copycat statement.

Are you Donegal men now coming on here and telling us that the Blanket defence is an original idea from Jim

You cant be serious

His core system has been taken from Armagh and Tyrone's template. I reckon there has in fact been copyright infringement!!

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 04/09/2014 17:18:09    1648042

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Lockjaw
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The copy cat can never be better than the original....

Someone is feeling left out at this time of the year.....again

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 04/09/2014 17:27:56    1648045

Haha, what a laugh.

Jim's system is a replica of Tyrone under Mickey, good one.

If that's the case, which it isn't at all IMO, then surely the original would always beat the copy? Yet the original has lost three times in three meetings so that argument is as flawed as they come!!!

Donegal's system fluctuates as you will have seen throughout the year, it's never exactly the same, it's a system that's unique to the Donegal set-up and what worked for Mickey Harte 6-10 years ago wouldn't necessarily work in 2014 either.

Nobody would accuse Dublins all-out-attack as copyright infringement on some of the great attacking Kerry teams of the past, so why would you claim that Donegal's success is a replica of Tyrones? They share aspects undoubtedly, but it's different players, different era, offering coaches. Sorry, but Donegal's success is based on their own hard work.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 04/09/2014 17:39:43    1648053

Well Donegal abroad did you do your research fairly impressive you must admit...good luck by way the in your first all-Ireland minor.

tyronetaffe (Tyrone) - Posts: 45 - 04/09/2014 17:47:31    1648057

Cacs.......

I'm pretty sure if we go back through the threads you will find you giving out about the sytem Donegal play..... Now your screaming about copyright infringements......

Time to go back to work sir and get that conveyor belt working in Tyrone that we so often have heard about, because by god she has screamed to a halt......

ben1977 (Donegal) - Posts: 364 - 04/09/2014 17:51:54    1648058

Thanks for the well wishes Cacs!

We will surely enjoy the minor and senior All Ireland finals hi sir. It's been a long summer for you's at this stage I know.

Sorry everything isn't Hunky Dory in Tyrone, pardon the pun!

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 04/09/2014 18:04:19    1648065

@Lockjaw - I'm not surprised. It wasn't guaranteed but was it for any county? Gauging by the odds for the semi-finals, both underdogs have made the final. Fitz has done a great job no doubt. Ye're being battle-hardened will be one of ye're advantages alright. We're well aware that we have a team that is in transition. They already have shocked the GAA world twice this year by winning Munster and making the All-Ireland final. For that they deserve credit. The bookies odds do speak volumes.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7869 - 04/09/2014 18:21:14    1648073

I am not anticipating the fireworks of the semifinals as neither Dublin or Mayo play with a defensive mindset in the way Donegal & Kerry do.

Now that is not to say that it won't be gripping, exciting & riveting stuff but I expect the first half to be cagey enough & then both sides to have a real rattle at it.

As for winners, who knows?

Donaghy is the big unknown here. A proven matchwinner especially with nimble & fast forwards to feed off him, his style is also right up Donegal's street. How he performs will be key.

Delighted to see the counties keeping their jersies, the future's bright, the future's green & gold.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 04/09/2014 19:22:47    1648115

Fabio
Thought last Sunday we were meeting the best ever team, a team where MMurphy or Jod would not get their place and now all of a shot Kerry have the best inside forwards, better than Dublin, yet last week none of them would get on the Dublin team. Have you ever thought about our defence ???
Wild man sir
Let's be honest sir, but this Kerry team have not come up against a defence like this , some might have met something similar in 2012. But this is , IMO an even better Donegal team
Mayo , if they were any good should be in the All Ireland final:::::missed goal chances( especially C o Connor) failure to hold a FIVE POINT lead, again on Sat last failed to hold a lead, T Cunniffe missing a simple chance to win the game. No deployment on big, high fielding men to mark K Donaghy. Also in the drawn game Kerry being a man up in the second half failed to take advantage and should have been beaten by 14 man Mayo. If Fairness Mayo played really well that second half and should have win.

Pike.
Now you had an even better full forward line in 2012, Gooch, Donaghy and JoD and I don't think they really upset the Donegal back line. I doubt if Donaghy will get as much ball against McGee and McGee and as regards JoD if Donegal let him run the show they don't deserve to win Sam. If the long ball to Donaghy don't come off what 's plan B
Now don't get me wrong we might not win, Kerry could win easily but I still think Kerry were better last year, the Gooch kept them in the game against Dublin and if memory serves me right Kerry's return in the second half was poor enough In the Mayo game last week and in the drawn game , Kerry looked beat on a few occasions, through the season Donegal at no stage looked beat except in the first 25 minutes against against the Dubs. I think Donegal are so Mentally alert so fit and probably a bigger and more physically team than Kerry. Fancy them big time.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 04/09/2014 20:48:02    1648155

well you are looking at other posters if you think i was saying this dublin side are one of the best ever....never said anything like that...james o donoghue is a lot better than anything dublin have as is donaghy when hes in top form like he was the last game...kerrys midfield is also exceptional...i am well aware how good donegal are defensively and hope they win...just its far from certain and if you remember correctly after a good start donegal had a lot of bother getting hold of the ball against kerry and i expect something similar in the final so they will have to be very economical with their scoring and probably need a goal or 2 which is very get able against a questionable kerry full back line

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 04/09/2014 21:07:05    1648168

04/09/2014 20:48:02
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Pike.
Now you had an even better full forward line in 2012, Gooch, Donaghy and JoD and I don't think they really upset the Donegal back line. I doubt if Donaghy will get as much ball against McGee and McGee and as regards JoD if Donegal let him run the show they don't deserve to win Sam. If the long ball to Donaghy don't come off what 's plan B
Now don't get me wrong we might not win, Kerry could win easily but I still think Kerry were better last year, the Gooch kept them in the game against Dublin and if memory serves me right Kerry's return in the second half was poor enough In the Mayo game last week and in the drawn game , Kerry looked beat on a few occasions, through the season Donegal at no stage looked beat except in the first 25 minutes against against the Dubs. I think Donegal are so Mentally alert so fit and probably a bigger and more physically team than Kerry. Fancy them big time.

Well this says it all really and in a nutshell equates to Kerry being in transition. It's evidently clear players aren't there from '12 and '13.

The second half return in last year's semi-final and this year's drawn semi-final wasn't good at all. The lads were also guilty of naive mistakes in the 3rd quarter of both games, all the hallmarks of a team in transition where lessons are being learned and will stand to the young lads in time, hopefully!

It is a bit of a contradiction to say Donegal never looked beat and then highlight where they did. Every game is different. In fairness to our lads when they got in a tricky situation on both days against Mayo they were able to dig themselves out of it. Donegal did the same in some respects but in fairness started the turnaround early and maintained it for the second half.

All in all, we are a side in transition. Donegal are motoring along nicely and their system and style of play in both attack and defence is very fluid.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7869 - 04/09/2014 21:23:46    1648177

A lot of my fellow County men are querying how Kerry are going to break us down without thinking how we are going to break them down. Ryan Mc Hugh was brilliant on Sunday but in a congested defence he can't break a tackle, Mc Fadden was better the last day but still a question mark over him. Will Murphy play at 14? Kerry played a traditional formation in 2012 but now play a defensive setup. We have struggled against this ourselves in the past. Going to be a very close affair.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 04/09/2014 21:27:46    1648183

All in all, we are a side in transition. Donegal are motoring along nicely and their system and style of play in both attack and defence is very fluid.

You may be in transition but you might as well strike while the iron is hot. Excellent manager, good young team and players coming to the fore as the year's gone on like Donaghy and David Moran. Great opportunity for the lads on the verge of retirement as well.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 04/09/2014 21:36:54    1648194

Fabio
Did not say you said it but it was all over the HS. The other thing is a lot of Kerry people in London thought Kerry had a poor side when the championship was about to start and there were question marks about their midfield. I myself gave them no chance, so I hope I did not offend Kerry people and well done on getting to the final
But I thought it would take EF a year or two to assemble a team so great credit to him
I was also weary of Donegal and especially after Monaghan beat us in Div 2Final So I was afraid of Derry in the first round in CELTIC park. But come Ulster final I was really impressed with our setup. Now in fairness Dublin did look the real deal but I thought that with JMcG we had a good chance( heard Sunday that last week in Johnstown house Donegal watched video after video of Dublin playing)
I honestly think we are that bit further down the road than Kerry( not taken into account what Kerry have done over the last 130 years) and i think Donegal will repeat their2012 victory. I will be disappointed if Donegal don't win.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 04/09/2014 21:43:56    1648203