well since reading previous posts over the last 2 months or so, and barking on about Dublins so called advantage and splitting the county in 2...im surprised the same people aint wanting Donegal and Kerry split in 2 !!!

sob (Meath) - Posts: 492 - 01/09/2014 09:51:14    1645732

1645444 Shows what's wrong with the championship, Dublin have one bad day and are gone. They were beat fair and square today but have no chance to recover. That is why the championship should be played on a proper league basis, not on a cup knockout system.

You want them given a second chance after losing the semi final? Therefore Mayo should get a second chance?
And if Kerry and Donegal win the semis again, the loser of the final should get a second chance and then if the losers win the second day, they get a second chacne???

What is wrong with the championship is that most teams get a second chance which is unfair on the team who have caused the upset in the first place.
Bring back knock out and add more cut to the championship. The past two years has shown that its the provincial champions who are making the semis so make it knockout and let the defeated teams play off for another cup.
We need the edge back into the championship to produce shocks, upsets, and give the under dog their day.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 01/09/2014 09:55:05    1645736

superbluedub
County: Dublin
Posts: 435

1645615 kerryluck
County: Kerry
Posts: 2233

1645539 did the dublin players believe in the hype around them? how many times have dublin been over hyped?

The Dublin players are always over hyped by the media as im sure you and everyone else knows,but you insinuating that the Dublin players believed in the hype is insulting to the Dublin players and indeed the Donegal players who were outstanding,stuck to there game plan and were immense and totally deserved there victory,maybe you should be more concerned about how Kerry will perform against an excellent Donegal team than asking questions about Dublins perceived belief in hype

I think that subconsciously, the Dublin players thought they only had to turn up.
I would be very hard not to, with all the media blowing them up. They're only human after all.
Thats not a dig at them or anything, its just human nature..

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 01/09/2014 09:57:25    1645742

Joe_Bloggs
County: Tipperary
Posts: 33

1645742 superbluedub
County: Dublin
Posts: 435

1645615 kerryluck
County: Kerry
Posts: 2233

1645539 did the dublin players believe in the hype around them? how many times have dublin been over hyped?

The Dublin players are always over hyped by the media as im sure you and everyone else knows,but you insinuating that the Dublin players believed in the hype is insulting to the Dublin players and indeed the Donegal players who were outstanding,stuck to there game plan and were immense and totally deserved there victory,maybe you should be more concerned about how Kerry will perform against an excellent Donegal team than asking questions about Dublins perceived belief in hype

I think that subconsciously, the Dublin players thought they only had to turn up.
I would be very hard not to, with all the media blowing them up. They're only human after all.
Thats not a dig at them or anything, its just human nature..

that's rubbish,dublin were out played all over the park,by a very good Donegal team end off.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 01/09/2014 10:06:41    1645744

Same old same old. People need to stop with the stupid clichés, every time Dublin are beaten it's because they believed their own hype, they bottled it, they were cocky etc. so on and so forth. How about we were outplayed by a better team on the day? More importantly though, we were beaten on the sideline. Well done the Jim McGuinness, fantastic manager.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 01/09/2014 10:14:23    1645754

superbluedub
County: Dublin
Posts: 436

1645744 Joe_Bloggs
County: Tipperary
Posts: 33


I think that subconsciously, the Dublin players thought they only had to turn up.
I would be very hard not to, with all the media blowing them up. They're only human after all.
Thats not a dig at them or anything, its just human nature..

that's rubbish,dublin were out played all over the park,by a very good Donegal team end off.

Im not taking away from Donegal at all, they were outstanding and fully deserving of their win.
I just think that as much as you try not to listen to everybody talking you up, its impossible to block it all out.

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 01/09/2014 10:17:28    1645761

StirringIt
County: Cavan
Posts: 154

1645736 1645444 Shows what's wrong with the championship, Dublin have one bad day and are gone. They were beat fair and square today but have no chance to recover. That is why the championship should be played on a proper league basis, not on a cup knockout system.

You want them given a second chance after losing the semi final? Therefore Mayo should get a second chance?
And if Kerry and Donegal win the semis again, the loser of the final should get a second chance and then if the losers win the second day, they get a second chacne???

What is wrong with the championship is that most teams get a second chance which is unfair on the team who have caused the upset in the first place.
Bring back knock out and add more cut to the championship. The past two years has shown that its the provincial champions who are making the semis so make it knockout and let the defeated teams play off for another cup.
We need the edge back into the championship to produce shocks, upsets, and give the under dog their day.

Agree 100%, club players might actually get to play a game in the Summer then.

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 01/09/2014 10:18:30    1645765

Next year will make it all the sweeter when we win back Sam, have to laugh at people saying the Dublin full back line is weak , the roc and Fitzsimon were hung out to dry with all our players in Donegal's half the whole bleeding game, do people really think that any defence left isolated like that wouldn't be exposed? Imagine the two mcgees left one on one with O Gara and Brogan in there half of the pitch and everyone up the other do people really think they'd hold them ? No chance

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/09/2014 10:23:33    1645771

It's not because the world has forgotten, it's because this once unlikely dream has become that most extraordinary of things: it has become real...again

JohnGrace1989 (Donegal) - Posts: 472 - 01/09/2014 10:29:29    1645780

Overhyped by the media, yes. The very same guys who built them up, already have started to put the boot in. The Dublin team cannot control the external factors like the media. I have been prvileged to watch this team over the last 4 years amass 2 all-irelands, 2 national leagues and four leinsters, a great haul and yesterday was a bad day. But they will get over it with time, dust themselves down and learn their lessons. They were never a 1/10 shot with as the bookies had it and this was totally disrespectful to donegal., who have won one all-ireland and 3 ulster titles in the last four years. In general Donegal went in to the game in a great position and any fair minded GAA supporter knows that Dublin are not machines, they are a team who like any other team can be beaten on any given day. So I think the next few days shoould be about donegal and not dublin's desmise as they haven't just gone from a very good team to a poor one based on just one bad day out. A little bit of realism goes along way and papers are there to sell papers. One thing that really bugged me was martin carney's unbridled delight as donegal got on top. I would like to see a little bit more impartial commentary from him.

Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 01/09/2014 10:29:39    1645781

On 27 Mins something remarkable happened. McGuinness sent Christy Toye into the maelstrom and the veteran's first act was to run right down Dublin's defensive throat. The run set up a Ryan McHugh point and, within 90 seconds, Donegal had two more from Gallagher and Murphy.

Then a high ball towards the Dublin square and Donegal's captain got just enough purchase on his jump to force Stephen Cluxton into a flap. The ball broke to Colm McFadden, who put McHugh in for the goal that triggered an earthquake. From that moment on, Dublin forgot themselves. And Donegal remembered.
It's not because the world has forgotten, it's because this once unlikely dream has become that most extraordinary of things: it has become real...again

JohnGrace1989 (Donegal) - Posts: 472 - 01/09/2014 10:34:07    1645790

Good post adamski!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 01/09/2014 10:34:59    1645794

Clondalkin, that's what I meant when I said the FB line is weak. The personnel aren't the problem, but the system around them is. ROC, Fitz and McMahon is as solid as it comes on paper, but when you're half back line are playing in the opposition half you're going to have trouble. I should have said the defence as a unit instead of the FB line itself.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 01/09/2014 10:36:37    1645797

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 5357

1645771
Next year will make it all the sweeter when we win back Sam, have to laugh at people saying the Dublin full back line is weak , the roc and Fitzsimon were hung out to dry with all our players in Donegal's half the whole bleeding game, do people really think that any defence left isolated like that wouldn't be exposed? Imagine the two mcgees left one on one with O Gara and Brogan in there half of the pitch and everyone up the other do people really think they'd hold them ? No chance

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That's it on the head Clondalkin. It was blatantly obvious that we needed a sweeper back there, Cullen for example. Questions have to be asked of the Dublin management team how they didn't respond to the Donegal tactic of isolating our FB line. An extra man back for us would not have damaged our attacking threat. I just thought it was so obvious yet the sideline did not respond to it.

No complaints in terms of the result though. We were going to be beaten at some stage and no harm going out to a fine team like Donegal. For me, they are favourites now. I don't see any team getting over that defensive wall.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 01/09/2014 10:38:32    1645802

Met a Few Donegal men yesterday evening on their way home. It was amazing to see old men with such emotion in their voices saying that they have never seen a performance like that before, eclipsing 92 and 12.
On the flip side, Dublin were very gracious in their defeat. Hats off to them. Also have to say hats off to Diarmud Connolly yesterday. The points he scored yesterday were as good as you will ever see.
Best of luck to Jim and Donegal in the Final.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 01/09/2014 10:55:42    1645821

Adamski
County: Dublin
Posts: 76

1645781 One thing that really bugged me was martin carney's unbridled delight as donegal got on top. I would like to see a little bit more impartial commentary from him.

Hes a Donegal man, would have been hard not to.
They should have had somebody else commentating.

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 01/09/2014 12:21:49    1645904

Joe Bloggs- not interested in where he is from but he should have been a little bit more impartial. Is he a donegal or mayo man by the way and listening to him over the years he loves kerry so he will be in an awful predicament come the final. He should not have shown the bias he dis yeaterday.

Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 01/09/2014 12:28:37    1645908

Adamski
County: Dublin
Posts: 77

1645908 Joe Bloggs- not interested in where he is from but he should have been a little bit more impartial. Is he a donegal or mayo man by the way and listening to him over the years he loves kerry so he will be in an awful predicament come the final. He should not have shown the bias he dis yeaterday.

I'm not a huge fan of him myself to be honest but I dont think RTE should have put him in that position.
Why not have Kevin McStay or Colm O'Rourke doing it?

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 01/09/2014 12:32:44    1645910

01/09/2014 12:28:37
Adamski
County: Dublin
Posts: 77

1645908 Joe Bloggs- not interested in where he is from but he should have been a little bit more impartial. Is he a donegal or mayo man by the way and listening to him over the years he loves kerry so he will be in an awful predicament come the final. He should not have shown the bias he dis yeaterday.

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I watched the game on RTE player last night - I agree he was over the to the point of almost putting the boot in. Certainly would have annoyed me if shoe was on the other foot.
Martin is from Donegal moved to Mayo - I think to teach.
IF you ever listen to his full time monologue in 2012 you will work out where his heart lies !!

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 01/09/2014 12:48:06    1645928

Good teams win all irelands, great teams do it back to back.

Thats not to say we are poor, We are a very very good side, And i am so proud of this team. Its not the end.

A learning curve for all involved. But we all, players..management and fans alike, Will be back on the first sunday in January when it will all start again. And i for one can't wait.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 01/09/2014 13:15:19    1645959