McStay is playing the game here lads. Diehard Mayo fans annoyed at the ref will now support him as he looks for the Mayo job. Sneaky enough of him but that's how things work. Can we please let this thread die. We were not goon enough, end of story. Take our beating like men and move on. The ref was poor but Mayo and seem to have forgotten how kind he was to us in the Cork game.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 01/09/2014 10:40:21    1645804

With regards to the refereeing there are a few things that concern me. People are correct to say that refs are only human and will miss things or make wrong calls throughout the game - this is to be expected and, although can be frustrating, accepted. However, when a referee is giving a team decisions in critical areas that are soft at best or completely wrong which ultimately decides the outcome of the game then this is just bad refereeing and should be called as such. The players are the ones who should influence the game and the ref is there to enforce the rules - if he does his job corretly then he won't be having a direct influence on the outcome.

If you look at the performances of the two referees over the weekend there was a huge difference. Yes there were mistakes yesterday but they weren't as consequential and I don't think either side could look at the ref yesterday and say they came out worse on the decisions. Whereas on Saturday evening the ref not only made big calls (a number of which I believe were incorrect) but also missed a lot of basic fouls e.g. 3 times in the first half there were double bounces where the ref was in close enough proximity to call but were missed.

Yes people say that its too easy to scapegoat the ref and give the line that the team or players hit enough wides to win it etc but we shouldn't be comparing performances of refs against players as they have completely different roles. I have watched too many games from Club level to County over the past few years where I have come away frustrated with the performance of the referee and in many cases his decisions had a direct influence on the outcome. Its not fair on players who do put the effort in throughout the year to maybe have missed out on Championsip or promotion/title due to a bad refereeing performance and unfortunately this is probably happening in every County throughout the land.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 01/09/2014 10:45:02    1645810

looking back over it feel cafferkey foul on o donoghue clear penalty as he uphended him from behind and seemed to go through him to get the ball

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 01/09/2014 11:31:57    1645853

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/reillys-officiating-lacked-consistency-284360.html

Good piece in todays examiner on the ref...

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 01/09/2014 11:38:50    1645862

He reffed it very poorly. He got 4 major calls wrong. All of which favoured Kerry. In a tight game he was the difference

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1596 - 01/09/2014 11:53:42    1645878

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McStay is playing the game here lads. Diehard Mayo fans annoyed at the ref will now support him as he looks for the Mayo job. Sneaky enough of him but that's how things work. Can we please let this thread die. We were not goon enough, end of story. Take our beating like men and move on. The ref was poor but Mayo and seem to have forgotten how kind he was to us in the Cork game



You have missed the point of the thread, just move on fella... you do not understand the actual point as you have not read the posts )

Cranky360 (Mayo) - Posts: 834 - 01/09/2014 12:15:36    1645891

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1645804 McStay is playing the game here lads. Diehard Mayo fans annoyed at the ref will now support him as he looks for the Mayo job. Sneaky enough of him but that's how things work. Can we please let this thread die. We were not goon enough, end of story. Take our beating like men and move on. The ref was poor but Mayo and seem to have forgotten how kind he was to us in the Cork game.

Toatally agree about Cork game and Roscommon game for that matter more times than not refs have favoured mayo over the years so what comes around goes around.
Enright should have went saturday tho but apart from that ref done decent job

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 01/09/2014 12:23:33    1645906

To answer the opening post - poor refereeing sure but in no way is it excuse for Mayo losing this contest!

As I stated in the match thread and will repeat here -
'We offer no excuses because this Mayo team does not deserve to be patronized - they are too serious about their football for that. Only the coward looks for excuses and there are no cowards on this Mayo team - we had plenty of opportunities over the two games to win and we failed to take those opportunities.' END OF!

JamesH (Mayo) - Posts: 465 - 01/09/2014 12:36:27    1645913

Anon123 Well Enright should also have been sent off for his blatant late tackle on O'Shea in the build up to a Mayo goal, especially as he was already on a yellow

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4341 - 01/09/2014 12:41:33    1645916

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McStay is playing the game here lads. Diehard Mayo fans annoyed at the ref will now support him as he looks for the Mayo job. Sneaky enough of him but that's how things work. Can we please let this thread die. We were not goon enough, end of story. Take our beating like men and move on. The ref was poor but Mayo and seem to have forgotten how kind he was to us in the Cork game



You have missed the point of the thread, just move on fella... you do not understand the actual point as you have not read the posts )


Actually fella I haven't missed the point. The ref was poor, was he the reason Mayo lost? No. That is the point of the thread is it not?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 01/09/2014 12:42:53    1645919

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The thread was to discuss the performance of the referee not if that had an impact on the final result. I for couldn't care who won or lost but I was livid after the game because it the refereeing was shocking. The reason that annoys me so much is that as someone who referee's it makes the job for us mortals who referee by the rule book. Also any kids watching that game will think - why should I listen to my coach when he tries to get me to play by the rules - Kerry and Mayo didn't and the ref let them do it.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 01/09/2014 13:00:22    1645944

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The thread was to discuss the performance of the referee not if that had an impact on the final result. I for couldn't care who won or lost but I was livid after the game because it the refereeing was shocking. The reason that annoys me so much is that as someone who referee's it makes the job for us mortals who referee by the rule book. Also any kids watching that game will think - why should I listen to my coach when he tries to get me to play by the rules - Kerry and Mayo didn't and the ref let them do it.


The title of the thread is referee decisions were key in replay, that is what I responded to. He was poor, did I say he wasn't?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 01/09/2014 13:04:41    1645951

Guys saying that mayo are just sore are wrong here. Imagine if the same thing were to happen in the final for example. This level of performance isn't acceptable. It was one of the worst performances I have ever seen at inter county level. He wasn't in tune with the game at all.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 01/09/2014 13:10:23    1645956

I raised this point a few pages back, I think the main problem with GAA refs at all levels of the game, especially club level, is that too many of them try to manipulate the scoreline in order to "make a game of it". I don't particularly believe that Cormac Reilly went out to deliberately favour Kerry on Saturday night, but I'm convinced he gave Kerry two handy frees when they were two points down in extra time, so as to keep them in the game. Were Mayo two points down I believe he would have done the exact same thing in their favour.

In all my time watching football and hurling matches, GAA referees have given the losing team soft frees in order to make the match closer. If a team is losing a match by one point, a GAA ref will always give them one last chance to equalise, even if time is well up. He'll usually assist the process by giving a handy free if he can. In contrast, if scores are level the ref cannot blow the final whistle soon enough.

Until such time as GAA refs stop actively trying to manipulate the scoreline and just referee what they see in front of them, then these controversies will continue.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 01/09/2014 14:16:59    1646021

I don't think anyone could accuse former referee John Bannon of bias. It's worth reading his report on Reilly in today's Irish Examiner

LoyalVin (Mayo) - Posts: 88 - 01/09/2014 14:24:51    1646035

I read the Bannon view and agree with him and Mc Stay, the ref was unfair.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1672 - 01/09/2014 14:51:07    1646065

As a Kerryman I can say that it was shameful stuff. I have never seen a Kerry team celebrate a semi final win. This is a bad Kerry team and I am fearful of what Donegal will do to us in the final. Ill be honest, we are only in the final because Cormac Reilly wanted us in the final.

DonahysHedFones (Kerry) - Posts: 21 - 01/09/2014 18:29:20    1646317

Could Mayo have won despite the poor refereeing decisions, of course.Should we be sore that the ref contributed to Mayo losing Yes.
Poor decisions are poor decisions regardless of the outcome. Rules are there to be enforced by the referee fairly and consistently. There are too many incidents to even bother going into regarding this game and if they were equally proportionate in reference to both teams then there would not be this continuing discussion. Players are there to be protected by the rules and the enforcement of the rules should never directly influence the score line of a game. Especially since this game was already under the spotlight because of venue choice the game deserved proper Refereeing .We will always see bad calls in a game, that's a reality. But I have watched the game three times and just trying to catalog the errors is a difficult task in itself there are that many. The game has developed to such a point that the Players are asked to perform at levels that are beyond professionalism, is it to much to ask that the officiating be held just as accountable.

On a slightly different note Kerry made sure there was going to be no late goal chances on saturday. Pull the player down, hold the ball, stop the quick free. they have learned from the mistake of letting McMenamam through on goal four years ago, lets see if Pat Spillane will highlight the beautiful free flowing game that is played by the Kingdom now. Win at all costs is the new mantra and you can't argue with that.. their in an All-ireland final against the team we beat by 16 points last year. What a strange irony

OConnaillain69 (Mayo) - Posts: 1 - 01/09/2014 19:16:54    1646349

No irony there at all. Donegal took last year off, compared to their 2012 and 2014 pitch. No point getting notions about dishing Donegal a 16 point beating last year, when that was some sort of shadow Donegal side. Yesterday was closer to the real deal, and Dublin couldn't hack it.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3460 - 01/09/2014 20:22:12    1646396

Everybody talks about consistency in refereeing and in the game. But what is consistency? It has never been actually defined and lots of people seem to have different opinions on it. Well to my mind it's as follows.

Every football game is unique. And because no 2 games are the same, and no 2 referees are the same, then the way each individual game is refereed can never be the same. In saying that the really big calls like yellow cards, black cards, penalties etc. should generally be consistent across games for all top referees.

Smaller decisions like what a ref allows in terms of physicality in the game, how much stuff he lets go off in terms of playing advantage, calls over frees where people say it was 50/50 etc. In my opinion all these are allowed to be refereed differently in every game and frankly I have no problem with that.

However the most important role a ref has is that he must be consistent for both sides for the duration of the match. And unfortunately over the course of the game on Saturday Cormac Reilly was not consistent towards both teams in the decisions he made. And these decisions were crucial in a very tight match.

MaigheoAbu (Mayo) - Posts: 343 - 01/09/2014 20:59:27    1646428