Its time for a citing commissioner like in Rugby I feel. He can be the man who studies the incidents and submits a report afterwards on who should be in the dock.

We have too many incidents being classed as technicalities because they are in the heat of the moment a split second the ref has to make a decision. So a ref maybe right or he maybe wrong its a lottery and ref's should not be under pressure.

Referees will have to take courses next on how to write a report so they don't screw up on the wording.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 29/08/2014 14:25:30    1644146

cuederocket
County: Dublin
Posts: 1041

1644090 Exileindublin,so your saying now that the referee thought there was contact and after further reflection,decided there was no contact.This is what ive been saying since the non incident happened.Nothing happened.It was a pathetic red card.How others believed it merited a red card i cant understand.And please dont go on about the technacality of some obscure rule.Nothing will change my mind on the matter.It was the softest red card ive ever had the mispleasure to witness.

The referee did not change his mind on the matter at all. The red card was overturned on the basis that the referee's report noted that Keegan was red carded for striking. Video evidence showed no strik occured so therefore Keegan was cleared. However, if the referee noted that Keegan was red carded for attempting to strike (also a sending off offence) then the red card would have been upheld, hence the technacality. Others believed it was a red card offence as it is a red card offence per the rules of the game. Nothing obscure about the rule, it is contained as part of the same rule as actually kicking an opponent.

While it was a soft red and in most similar circumstances a red would not be issued the only way to have it overturned was on a technacality.

ExiledinDublin (Mayo) - Posts: 131 - 29/08/2014 14:30:01    1644150

What a joke this whole episode is ,the player was clearly sent off according to the rules btu as usual in the GAA rules mean nothing .

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 29/08/2014 14:32:54    1644152

Ok exile,fair enough,i havnt actually had time to read the ins and outs of the decision yet,but whatever the reason,i believe the right outcome has been reached.Time to move on.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/08/2014 14:38:54    1644156

Wrong decision , those with vested intrests will come on and spout of the spirit of the game etc etc
Its increasingly undermined what was a tough enough job in being a referee , Im all for retrospective decisions but this is black and white , he kicked out you cant do it ,
I mentioned earlier in the week that had the ref used discretion I wouldn't have had an issue with it , but once the decision was made which was to go by the letter of the law then the decision should have stayed .
For the player himself Im happy , where we go with future decisions is what truly worries me .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 29/08/2014 14:53:29    1644164

While the ref was correct , appeals process is there for all of us to use. There people on here calling it a disgrace and mayo county board never stop complaining. Are ye guys trying to tell me if I was y he Dublin Galway Donegal etc manager and I Had man sent off in an Ireland semi final that I wouldn't appeal a technicality/sending off. Rules are there to be broken and overturned. This related to every sport. It's over now and move on. Is anyone going to remember this in 5 years time. And in fact Kerry and most of their supoorteri don't seem to be to bothered either. Good luck to all tomorrow and safe travelling.hoping for another open game of ball.

velo (Mayo) - Posts: 33 - 29/08/2014 15:38:16    1644184

What an absolute farce. The incident was there for the whole country to see. If everyone is going to get off what is the point of having a ban in the first place. I mean getting off just makes a mockery of the rules the ref and shows that the rules are irrelevant.

They should have taken their poison and been men about it. Instead the appeal it and win.

I know mayo wont win the all ireland but i hope kerry beat them out the door.

Shameful stuff.

I think the gaa might as well drop the whole match ban thing cause reality its no enforced. And is wasting time and money sending people to dublin to get them off

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 29/08/2014 15:46:35    1644189

Richie put yourself in the cork managers boots or James horans boots....are you going to try and tell us on here you would take the poison as you said and not appeal it. Have an ounce of sense..Your gamesmanship ought to be applauded. The appeals process is there to be utilized.

velo (Mayo) - Posts: 33 - 29/08/2014 16:00:25    1644202

Ritchie
No need to adopt the moral high ground. When Cork and Clare had a famous 'entrance' performance in Thurles some years back both sides were rightly fined. While Clare accepted their punishment with some dignity Cork whinged and cried for long enough afterwards and the same applied to their complaining about their 'treatment' at the hands of the Meath footballers in the late eighties. When they subsequently won in 90 Meath took their beating like sportsmen and did not round crying and whinging like Cork did when they were beaten in 87 and 88

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4342 - 29/08/2014 16:04:06    1644207

Bad decision in my opinion.I accept that Keegan is not a dirty player and that most refs would have let him off with a yellow.However that's neither here nor there, the ref was correct in applying the rule and has been undermined by the authorities.I wonder would the appeal have succeeded if the replay was in Croker?
Doubt it.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 29/08/2014 16:04:39    1644209

jackrobin
County: Kerry
What a load of rubbish, if he was a kerry player there is no way he would have been cleared. If the gaa want mayo to win so much just give them sam now so we dont have to waste our time going to limerick.


People in glasshouses... I remember Daragh O Se being sent off in a club championship in Kerry in the not to distant past. It disqualified him from playing for the county in an important match. There was a furore about it at the time and the headline on some newspaper (probably the Kerryman) read Will Daragh Play? Some wag suggested they should transpose the first and second words and he was correct. Daragh played.!!

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 29/08/2014 16:17:43    1644221

velo
County: Mayo
Posts: 20

1644202
Richie put yourself in the cork managers boots or James horans boots....are you going to try and tell us on here you would take the poison as you said and not appeal it. Have an ounce of sense..Your gamesmanship ought to be applauded. The appeals process is there to be utilized.

Ahhh stop will you. You should appeal when you are accused in the wrong.....
Some years back we appealed Anthony Lynchs sending off against kerry as there was no physical contact and it was proved there wasnt
Last year we appealed Patrick Horgans sending off against limerick as it was completely incorrect

This was an open and shut case Keegan kicked Buckley
It doesnt make a difference how hard he kicked him the reality is he kicked him so basically there was some bs loop hole to get a man correctly red carded off the hook. Appeals should be there to get those off who have been wrongly red carded and thats not the case in this instance. I personally think its a joke its only my opinion but its wrong. Should mayo go on to win tomorrow and keegan has a stormer then kerry can feel very wronged and mayos win with be based on a loop hole.

Now my instinct says mayo will loose . They will ask them selves too many questions in the last quarter how far do they have to be ahead to see out a game in croker. Letting a 5 point lead slip will seriously play on their mind and kerry will know this they will sense this

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 29/08/2014 16:23:24    1644231

Ritchie, I think you will find that he did not kick anyone (even lightly) although he attempted to kick. Hence appeal was successful.

ExiledinDublin (Mayo) - Posts: 131 - 29/08/2014 16:31:34    1644236

cuederocket
"that doesnt see similiar non incidents such as this"

We are worlds apart man - would like to see your reaction if a passenger attempted a kick..

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 29/08/2014 16:43:42    1644248

Richie an appeal board is there to be utilized as stated earlier whether you are right or wrong you are entitled to a right of appeal if one decides to go this route. End of. Same as every sport. And this decision is minimal compared to some over rulings. Not really interested on your synopsis of the outcome of game 2 the subject field here is Lee Keegan.

velo (Mayo) - Posts: 33 - 29/08/2014 16:50:26    1644254

Oldtourman
County: Limerick
Posts: 472

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Ritchie
No need to adopt the moral high ground. When Cork and Clare had a famous 'entrance' performance in Thurles some years back both sides were rightly fined. While Clare accepted their punishment with some dignity Cork whinged and cried for long enough afterwards and the same applied to their complaining about their 'treatment' at the hands of the Meath footballers in the late eighties. When they subsequently won in 90 Meath took their beating like sportsmen and did not round crying and whinging like Cork did when they were beaten in 87 and 88


This is a forum ill adopt what ever ground i wish.
I was at all the matches in 87/88/90
The big joke at the time and subsequently since then was that Meath used to get their retaliation in first. They were rough games in the extreme and when cork finally won it was only cause they had got on par with them in the physical stakes
The melee in thurlas is a completely different issue and you are seriously grasping at straws here.

Answer this straight forward question on any level of ground you like. Did keegan kick Buckley last sunday
If so according to the rule book is that a red card.
And if it is do you think its right that he got off ????

Funny story for you regarding rules and punishment
Some years ago Neil Ronan was brought on as a sub against Limerick in PUC
Clem Smith was his marker and proceeded to break his hurley off Neils Thigh to welcome him to the field of play
Now Clem received no punish from the ref for this incident how ever off the field of play Clem and Neil were good friends and Clem regularly called to Neils House. UNTIL this incident. There after Clem was barred by Neils Ma who took the matter very much to heart.

To enlighten you my issue wasnt that Keegan was sent off. They are playing Kerry so its of no concequence to me one way or the other. My Issue is this It was a red card incident he got the red card and they get it dropped. In my opinion its bad for the game its bad for refs and its bad for the rules to be so abused in this fashion.

So when your questioning my moral compass please use relevant comparable issues and not waffle

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 29/08/2014 16:52:44    1644256

ExiledinDublin
County: Mayo
Posts: 117

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Ritchie, I think you will find that he did not kick anyone (even lightly) although he attempted to kick. Hence appeal was successful.

Im sorry i was watching a different game . ... In the game i saw there was contact ..... Spec savers for me

Your having a laugh bud there was contact and yer grasping at straws to defend a blatant abuse of the system. It is largely irrelevant neither team would beat dublin..... Its not an attack at Keegan. Reality is a yellow could have been enough its an attack at what happened subsequently ... Its just a joke... If its going to be like this then just get rid of the match ban

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 29/08/2014 17:02:33    1644264

I'm glad he is back for the replay.

Most people agree that by the rules he had to go off ... and so he DID go off and Mayo were punished severely in a very important game without one of their best players for half the game, for what looked a very innocuous reaction to being punched himself.

That was penalty enough in my opinion ... we need to see the best players playing the game, not getting all sniffy about trying to interpret rules which are essentially there to ensure a fair and enjoyable contest while protecting the players from serious injury as much as possible.

Rescinding the red was the correct call and I'm really looking forward to the replay with 15 v 15.

Beacaire Gorm (Dublin) - Posts: 597 - 29/08/2014 17:06:37    1644265

ritchie
County: Cork
Posts: 174

1644264 ExiledinDublin
County: Mayo
Posts: 117

1644236
Ritchie, I think you will find that he did not kick anyone (even lightly) although he attempted to kick. Hence appeal was successful.

Im sorry i was watching a different game . ... In the game i saw there was contact ..... Spec savers for me

Your having a laugh bud there was contact and yer grasping at straws to defend a blatant abuse of the system. It is largely irrelevant neither team would beat dublin..... Its not an attack at Keegan. Reality is a yellow could have been enough its an attack at what happened subsequently ... Its just a joke... If its going to be like this then just get rid of the match ban

I believed there was contact also, however, as the appeal turned on the wording used by the referee and depended on the fact that contact was made, the obvious conclusion is that some angle of footage proved no contact was made. I dont blame the referee either in his use of wording as the GAA rule book and legalistic interpitation of same (without been written in a legal manner to avoid doubt) has led to this type of situtation whereby the referee knows with 100% certainty that a particular rule has been broken as one or other of the provisions has occured but cannot be 100% sure which one without the benefit of a replay. The fact that with the benefit of TV replay there is still debate over whether contact was made or not shows the impossible job the referee had.

ExiledinDublin (Mayo) - Posts: 131 - 29/08/2014 17:18:49    1644273

Rules.....what rules?

If a Dublin/Donegal player hits anybody the weekend it doesn't matter. They are getting off!!!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 29/08/2014 17:29:33    1644276