Yes your right The Flaker no place for Donacha Walsh trying to get Keegan sent off aswell and I'll repeat may self again no place for diving or play acting

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 29/08/2014 12:35:32    1644015

While the red was soft it was technically a red.

All GAA people want is transparency and fairness.

Keegan gets off, would have Tomas or Paul back in the 2000s I doubt it.

No one wants a ameture player who's trained/sacrificed all year to miss a semi final.

Please god we beat Mayo tomorrow and they'll be no controversies.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 29/08/2014 12:36:14    1644018

westkerry
County: Kerry
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While the red was soft it was technically a red.

All GAA people want is transparency and fairness.

Keegan gets off, would have Tomas or Paul back in the 2000s I doubt it.

No one wants a ameture player who's trained/sacrificed all year to miss a semi final.

Please god we beat Mayo tomorrow and they'll be no controversies.



Yeh poor ol' Paul had a target on his back!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8597 - 29/08/2014 12:41:59    1644026

It was minimal but what are rules for if not implemented. This is the equivalent to breaking the speed limit by a few kph and getting done for it. It's frustrating when others speed by you travelling much faster and yet are not caught. But at the same time the guard was still right to fine you as you broke the rules. Somewhere the driver must accept responsibility for his actions.

If people don't like that rule then request a change but the force or accuracy of a strike is not the issue, it's the intention.

The technicality loophole is a farce and undermines the ref as others have rightly said. They get a real time call and nothing else, perhaps they should be allowed to use the big screen as an aid to determine such incidents.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 29/08/2014 12:49:41    1644039

Realdub - if you saw his treatment off the ball ( not against Dublin I'll add )
then you'd understand his reactions at times.
No saint that's what made hum so good.

But the point is certain counties get treated differently than others.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 29/08/2014 12:50:34    1644042

Aido my point is pretty obvious if you care to read my posts on this subject.It was a ridiculous red card,and those who supported it were wrong.Great news that common sense has prevailed.A trait sadly lacking in a lot of posters im afraid.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/08/2014 12:52:16    1644044

It's tough on the ref but only fair on Lee Keegan. Parkinson made a good point on OffTheBall that if all rules were properly implemented everyone would go apesh*t - 4 steps rule never implemented, if every player 'contributing to a melee' was sent off Armagh v Donegal would have been 5 a side, keepers in hurling take puc outs outside the small square 9 times out of 10 and it isn't called up etc. I'm not saying all rules aren't implemented but a lot don't go exactly by the book, and the 'minimal force' one is the same. I feel bad for Coldrick but it's only fair on Lee, and I though Coldrick had a bad game even without the red card tbh.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 29/08/2014 12:52:27    1644046

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
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Yes your right The Flaker no place for Donacha Walsh trying to get Keegan sent off aswell and I'll repeat may self again no place for diving or play acting

So what is he supposed to do ?? Walsh was well within his rights to be incensed. Mayo had won the free so Keegan had no business doing what he did.

Any other player from any other county would have done the same. You protect your team and you stand up for your team mates.

If Keegan done that to a Dublin player the Hill would be baying for blood!!!!

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 29/08/2014 12:54:55    1644048

westkerry

I'd agree that certain players as opposed to counties were treated differently by refs over the years.
If the Gooch or Maurice Fitz lashed out in an innocuous way I'm sure it would have a got a sympathetic hearing.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8597 - 29/08/2014 12:59:51    1644052

We are a laughing stock. Firstly, a player is rightly red carded even though it is on the very minor end of the scale. Why is he red carded? because it is in the rules to either strike or attempt to strike. The ref put down he struck out on the match report as opposed to attempting to strike. The mayo county board climbed all over this dependency, to get their player off. They won the case.

If for instance, the ref put down attempting to strike on the match report, and video showed that there was minimal contact, by the same mentality, mayo could and more than likely would have appealed that the ref made the wrong entry on his match report.

Where do you draw the line. Keegan has walked a tightrope all through his career with reckless tackles and afters when the ball has gone out of play. The law of averages caught up with him last weekend, and the refs correct decision has now being rescinded. I think the disciplinary comittee and the CCCC should now be scrapped as they have been found out to be wanting. They have left themselves wide open to appealing appeals, and the like, when a match report should be all the evidence you need for enforcing the law.

All players can now get off doing whatever they want to do on the pitch.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 29/08/2014 13:07:28    1644059

dermo connolly got off a few years ago too. Who'd be a ref?

Sure the message now is flake away lads no one will get the line in case ye miss the all ireland

lowballplease (Galway) - Posts: 935 - 29/08/2014 13:10:43    1644063

Also when is horan naming his dummy team ?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/08/2014 13:19:03    1644077

cuederocket

OK I'm acting maggot. You thought card was wrong. That's your opinion your entitled to it.

The right or wrong of the card to me was not the issue. It was the reaction to it. Coldrick (I'm no fan) correctly issued LK with a red. Attempting to kick someone is a red. Straight away he's attacked. He didn't deserve a red, it wasn't in the spirit of the game, etc... Coldrick made the correct call. Harsh but correct and he's getting it in the neck everywhere. Rules are there to be applied. He applies them he's wrong. He doesn't, he's wrong again. He can't win. And now to compound it, they overturn it on a BS technicality. Not picking on Keegan or team or county. Just making the point.
Would not be surprised to see some controversy over weekend. Two matches with a huge amount at stake. Like to put a bet on it about someone giving off about the consistency of the ref?

Anyway Keegan gets to play tomorrow. Good luck to him. May the best team win. ;-)

A.

Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 29/08/2014 13:22:00    1644080

cuederocket
County: Dublin
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1643961 Wheres all the real sticklers to the rules merchants now?I cudnt believe the amount of goody two shoes on here,who supported Keegans ridiculous red card.It should never have come to this,but i would imagine the rule will have to be slightly ammended,whereby some amount of discretion and common sense,may be used by referees.Delighted with this final outcome.

To the contrary, anyone who quoted the rules have been fully vindicated. The issuing of the red card has not been overturned due to an incorrect interpetation of the rules. The reason for overturning the card is that the refree made a technical error (understandably) in whether actual contact was made. Happy Keegan is back but the GAA must be the best organisation in the world for getting themselves into knots.

ExiledinDublin (Mayo) - Posts: 131 - 29/08/2014 13:25:38    1644084

Hey ban,since you seem to be an avid rules man,strictly to the letter of the law,how bout you come up with a PERFECT solution yourself.Anything you come up with,that doesnt see similiar non incidents such as this,end up as a red card,is good with me.As a Dublin taxi driver im busy ferrying around some of our 30000 American guests for the game tomorrow.Id be embareased to show them a clip of Lee Keegans sending off.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/08/2014 13:28:33    1644085

Exileindublin,so your saying now that the referee thought there was contact and after further reflection,decided there was no contact.This is what ive been saying since the non incident happened.Nothing happened.It was a pathetic red card.How others believed it merited a red card i cant understand.And please dont go on about the technacality of some obscure rule.Nothing will change my mind on the matter.It was the softest red card ive ever had the mispleasure to witness.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/08/2014 13:35:02    1644090

the ref was right to send him off. to strike or attempt to strike is a sending off. it dosn't matter that he is a good lad/not a dirty player/goaded into it/ shaking a fly off his boot whatever. he deserved to be sent off. i was impressed with the referee. he could have wrote in his report that he sent him off for attempting to strike. but he put in his report what he thought he saw "keegan kicking an opponent" he could have easily looked at da game after and said he sent him off for attempting to strike. Mayo just used the rules to get keegan off. every county and club would do the same in this position.

ironman (Mayo) - Posts: 131 - 29/08/2014 13:56:01    1644116

Donegalman and lowballplease
I agree with both ye'r points, mayo will be aloud to flake away now tomorrow coz they know there will be no ramifications .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/08/2014 14:11:55    1644133

KingdomBoy - Horan just named his dummy team for this week there at lunch time - hope the few tricks he pulls this week work just as well as the two lads who started last weekend!! Surely time to put fines in place for that carry on.

blacknamber (Kerry) - Posts: 267 - 29/08/2014 14:13:24    1644135

It was a red card offence, regardless whether Keegan attempted or deliberately kicked out. Makes it hard for referees to make a call in big games. Why do these decisions always seem to happen in games involving big teams,(cards rescinded) or are the rules applied differently for the smaller counties?

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1747 - 29/08/2014 14:24:16    1644144