Totally agree with you unclegerry. Most people agree it should have been a yellow rather than a red so it is the correct decision to overturn the ban. Rules are fine when they are applied intelligently. The ref applied this particular rule )which needs to be amended) in a stupid way and so it is right that it was overturned. There is such a thing as "the letter of the law" and "the spirit of the law". The first basoc lesson for any referee is that "the letter of the law" should NEVER be applied in any game. The "letter of the law" is for such things as zero tolerance of crime.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 29/08/2014 11:09:17    1643939

So if a Mayo / Kerry player does exactly the same thing on Saturday does this mean the ref cannot send him off ?

Just curious now that the rules are being bent for every game.It's like each individual games have their own set of rules.Black cards in some games for fouls and none in the others.

Our GAA Top brass CCC , CCCC and whatever CCCCCCC comes after that have no clue how to run this organisation.

Rules need an over haul.

I'm not blaming Lee Keegan for this mess as in my view everyone has the right to appeal and he took his opportunity with success.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 29/08/2014 11:09:28    1643940

Just to put this in perspective, a few years ago Thomas was given 6 week ban for intent to use the elbow, even though in the game no contact was made.

Keegan get's off because even though there was intention, the referee put in his report he struck, rather than it was an intended strike. Are both not covered under the same rule??

Where is the consistency number 1 and number 2, how can you get off on a technicality when both are covered by same rule anyway!!

Ah well, we'll just have to go and beat them anyway. Makes more of a statement for final if we do it with their full team out...

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 29/08/2014 11:12:50    1643944

Absolute Joke this. The Mayo county board does enought complaining about the venue and their player gets off. This is a disgrace.

Qwerty (Galway) - Posts: 40 - 29/08/2014 11:20:29    1643950

Great player. Big boost to Mayo.

Right decision in the end.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 29/08/2014 11:21:42    1643952

kerryrowz
County: Kerry
One thing I must say I was disgusted with some of the Mayo lads Cillian o Connor in particular roaring and shouting in the Kerry lads faces when they went 5 up. True winners don't bother with that type of stuff,

I seem to remember Donnaghy roaring into the face or an Armagh keeper when he slotted a goal past him a few years ago. Its pure adrenaline. Put sure if you don't like it, cover your eyes next time.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11237 - 29/08/2014 11:22:36    1643954

Wheres all the real sticklers to the rules merchants now?I cudnt believe the amount of goody two shoes on here,who supported Keegans ridiculous red card.It should never have come to this,but i would imagine the rule will have to be slightly ammended,whereby some amount of discretion and common sense,may be used by referees.Delighted with this final outcome.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/08/2014 11:43:33    1643961

kerryrowz
County: Kerry
Posts: 742

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Glad he got off as I ssid before he deserved a yellow card would of been the best action. One thing I must say I was disgusted with some of the Mayo lads Cillian o Connor in particular roaring and shouting in the Kerry lads faces when they went 5 up. True winners don't bother with that type of stuff, im afraid they prop will win on Saturday, but that's about it.


Pathetic comment, go back and watch it. O Connor scores a point and the Kerryman actually gives him a half arsed shoulder, that is what brought the reaction, so please get your facts right.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 29/08/2014 11:51:09    1643969

The only thing I don't like is Mayo players diving and waving an imaginary card to the ref, no place in our games for that.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 29/08/2014 11:54:25    1643972

The GAA just love levelling things off . Mayo CB were unhappy with the venue so as a token of good will
they let Keegan off . It's like when a side goes to fourteen players , they always get the decisions for the rest of the match ...
This is not Lee Keegan or Mayo's fault , the CCC or whatever they are called have once again showed profound inconsistency !

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 29/08/2014 11:58:11    1643975

cuederocket
County: Dublin
Posts: 1038

1643961 Wheres all the real sticklers to the rules merchants now?I cudnt believe the amount of goody two shoes on here,who supported Keegans ridiculous red card.It should never have come to this,but i would imagine the rule will have to be slightly ammended,whereby some amount of discretion and common sense,may be used by referees
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I disagree totally. We already ask far too much subjctivity of our referees, and now they have to assess the intent of the offender, or whether he actually made contact or missed with the kick/punch? What if it was a glancing blow, does that change things again?! Nonsense, the only common sense that needs to be shown is by the player, i.e. you don't aim a kick at an opponent.

I also think that counties need to show some integrity. It would have been nice if James Horan or the Mayo County Board had decided to take their medicine, instead of devouring the rule book in order to find a loophole. To be fair, it's not just Mayo - most clubs/counties have this 'anything if it helps us win mentality', my own included - but it is time for them all to try to win in the spirit of the game, rather than twisting words in order to gain an unfair advantage on an opponent.

Lee Keegan tried to kick an opponent. There is no place for that in any sport. He should not be playing in the AI semi-final, but the singlemindedness of his county combined with the ineptitude of GAA officialdom means that he will be lining out tomorrow.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 29/08/2014 11:58:31    1643976

We moan about the black card not being implemented, then when the ref makes the right decision, we moan that it was harsh... Are the rules now just guidelines?

nemogirl (Cork) - Posts: 10 - 29/08/2014 11:58:33    1643977

Don't buy that a Referee of Coldrick's experience messed up his report. I would think the pressure of public opinion and perhaps other pressure got to him and he knowingly cited the rule wrong, leaving it open for overturning. This was not a mistake. Do you all not think David Coldrick would have triple checked his report and got a few others to check it before sending it in?!

SS1 (Cavan) - Posts: 196 - 29/08/2014 11:58:34    1643978

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
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The only thing I don't like is Mayo players diving and waving an imaginary card to the ref, no place in our games for that.


Agreed, same can be said for Donncha Walsh in the Keegan incident, balance please.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 29/08/2014 12:03:01    1643982

cuederocket - "but i would imagine the rule will have to be slightly ammended,whereby some amount of discretion and common sense"

instead of all the chat and criticism of certain folk, why not have a go at slightly ammending the rule yourself?

by defining discretion and common sence your presuming all humans (as in referee's) are like minded - The planet I live on, well - thats not the case but hey give it a go and I'll be very interested to see your attempt. I'm sure it will be perfect

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 29/08/2014 12:04:34    1643984

cuedrocket

I was one. Still here. Just because card was overturned doesnt make decision right. Whats your point?

I'm not having a go at LK btw.

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Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 29/08/2014 12:09:34    1643989

You're spot on Liam...

Cluxton got a straight red card for a very similar offense during the league against Mayo

He didn't come in for much favorable comments from the Mayo posters on this site

He did nothing worse than Keegan did... but he served his time.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 29/08/2014 12:12:17    1643993

The precedent was set in 2011 when Connolly got off for a strike/attempted strike.

Can't let one off without the other, and that said, two wrongs don't make a right either.

I'm happy Keegan will play, But by the rules it was a red card, And he shouldnt. Similarly, Connolly deserved red in 2011 and shouldnt have played the final.

But look, The GAA are the GAA. They will always make a mockery of things.

The victim in all this is Coldrick, The ref. He made the right call on the day wether there was minimal contact, or no contact. It was an attempted kick and he should have been sent off. Now he has been undermined.

Why would referees bother if their own governing body over-rule their decisions. Clearly they are not trusted or the CHC dont want the rules enforced putting the ref in a damned if he does, damned if he doesnt situation.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 29/08/2014 12:20:19    1643999

A lot of Kerry poster are up their high horse on this one. Kerry s Mark Griffen was the first player to have a black card rescinded in a league match against Mayo.
All counties appeal and take their chances knowing the GAA normally row back on bans or let you off on a technicality.

Posters talking about accepting your ban have short memories when it comes to their own counties.
Not many Kerry men in Croke Park last week thought Keegan deserved to be sent off even if a Kerryman was refereeing.

I'd say the GAA decided to let Keegan play after handing Kerry home advantage. The match was fixed by the CCCC for Limerick and the head man of the CCCC is a kerryman. They were embarrassed and Keegan benefited.

On with the match, may the best team win.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1134 - 29/08/2014 12:20:56    1644000

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 13023

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You're spot on Liam...

Cluxton got a straight red card for a very similar offense during the league against Mayo

He didn't come in for much favorable comments from the Mayo posters on this site

He did nothing worse than Keegan did... but he served his time.



2 totally separate incidents. Cluxton was much ado about nothing but he did strike the player and the referees report matched what happened, that is why they took the medicine. It was a league match, are you honestly telling that had it occurred in All Ireland semi final Dublin would have just take their medicine without looking down every avenue. Mayo took advantage of an admin error, fair play to them.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 29/08/2014 12:21:30    1644001