When are the tickets going out to the clubs and when will they be released?

premierfan (Tipperary) - Posts: 121 - 01/09/2014 21:03:04    1646432

tipptothetop
County: Tipperary

In fairness, Cork didn't take alot of their scores because they weren't allowed to, Tipp were massive defensively, forced Cork back quite well. I mean, yeah, Cork were off the boil, no doubt about it, they were definitely affected by the long lay-off. But they were still Munster champions, and Tipp prevented them from getting into any kind of rhythm.

I can't call Sunday at all, and my stomach's already in a knot. Part of my thinks we could win it well, another part of me thinks that Kilkenny just know how to win, and have the class to pull out a result no matter what situation they're in.
Then again, they did cough up a huge lead in the last few minutes of the drawn game against Galway. Tipp would have been slated for doing that. And we're coming into this final exactly the same way we did in 2010, after losing our first game, and going via the back door, building bit by bit, and having a big win in the semi. I just don't know.
One thing I do know is, if we're to have a chance, we need our best 15 on the field. I don't think that's happened so far. Ugh, nerves are at me already, its going to be a long 6 days...

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 01/09/2014 21:25:31    1646458

Only have time to do a preview of 1-9 tonight, forwards to come tomorrow.

I can't recall a Kilkenny team going into a final with more question marks over the team.

David Herity not a particularly renowned shot-stopper in Kilkenny hurling either. Would pick Eoin Murphy if he was available.

Full back line is probably our strongest but I'd prefer to see Tyrell rather than Murphy put on Corbett. This might sound harsh but Corbett is spooked by Tyrell. You could tell in last year's match Lar thrived on not having Jackie breathing down his neck. Murphy hurls a lot of ball but he's not a natural man-marker like Jackie/JJ.

I'm worried about our half back line. So often the rock on which Kilkenny have won so many All Irelands, and on which opponents have perished, we now go into a final with two rookies either side of Brian Hogan. Buckley and Holden have acquitted themselves well this year, but a rookie is a rookie and there's no telling how they'll react to the occasion of an All Ireland final. A Kieran Joyce or dare I say it, Tommy Walsh, would add more experience and solidity to the line.

Conor Fogarty and Richie Hogan have done well midfield. Fogarty is a workhorse and doesn't pretend to be anything else. He's a defensively minded player so he'll need to stop the marauding runs of McGrath and Woodlock which destroyed Cork in the semi final. Hogan is the brains and skill in midfield. He's one of the few KK players who always tries to deliver good ball into the forwards (as opposed to just lumping it in). He, along with Tj Reid, has carried the forwards this year, which is not really a midfielder's main job and is a worry going into a final where his hands are going to be full with his own job to do.

Forwards preview to come tomorrow.......

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 01/09/2014 21:58:46    1646488

Ballydalane
Lar is looking forward to Jackie

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 02/09/2014 09:27:04    1646532

Great to have everyone writing off Tipp
Just the way we want it

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 02/09/2014 09:30:26    1646535

Ballydalane a fair assesment. Looking forward already to the 10-15 preview.

Perhaps a Tipp poster with some knowledge can do something similar!!!

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 02/09/2014 10:08:39    1646568

A bit like the knowledge that certain tipp poster had in 2010
would you agree wildpundit

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 02/09/2014 12:10:17    1646676

Ah ThurlesBlues you make my day!!! So you think Cahill is fit nuff to start ?

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 02/09/2014 12:30:13    1646694

I just hope the ref also has a good game
unlike the appalling refereeing decision in 2009 which cost Tipp the All Ireland final
also glad to have hawkeye in operation as we don't want the league final fiasco occurring again which saw the umpires make two unforgiveable mistakes which also cost Tipp the game by a point
fuuny how all those decisions never seem to go Tipps way!! I guess nothing has changed down through the years

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 02/09/2014 12:51:10    1646708

I do wildpundit and do you know where I would play him?

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 02/09/2014 12:52:19    1646711

ThurlesBlues were too good a county to blame ref's for losing us games. In the heat of it yes we all say things but at the end of the day no point crying over spilt milk.

If were good enough on the day we wont need hawk eye or blame the referee.

Granted I felt exactly like you did after those games but we move on.Took me a while to get over 2009 as I felt we had the beating of Kilkenny even with the 14 men I always believed until those 2 sucker punches.

One thing that I will never forget is the roar around the stadium when Shefflin cracked in that penalty. It was like a relief to all Kilkenny fans cos up to that point we were toe to toe and a bit better I felt.

If your right and we do win ill buy you a pint in Thurles Monday evening!!!!

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 02/09/2014 13:05:18    1646722

sounds good wildpundit Il be in Hayes for one and a few in the Arch bar

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 02/09/2014 13:14:38    1646737

Ballydalane has nailed it I think.
I think for Kilkenny to win the Cillian Buckleys and Joey Holdens , PAdraig walsh etc would have to seriously up the ante . However I think they will and will win it for the Cats.
What I also think is interesting is who will Cody / Kilkenny target to destroy in the first 10 mins ? This is a major tactic of theirs , think Seamus Hickey in 2007/08? and the Tipp rhb in 2011- Henry ruined their day by 3.45pm ! I've been very impressed with Tipps defence recently, you can clearly see the emphasis on not conceding goals , but who is the perceived weak link ?

Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 02/09/2014 13:22:55    1646749

I think we have 2 which could be seriously exposed depending where they start.

James Barry and Kieran Bergin are my worries. They are filling the boots of Conor O Mahony & Mickey Cahill in my view.

To win an all - Ireland against Kilkenny without those 2 would be an phenomenal achievement in itself.

If Barry is full back he could get taken to the cleaners.Its hard to know what way our backs will line up the way they have been switching all year.Against Cork we probably rode our luck at times but this is a different kettle of fish.

Fear for Bergin as well could be marking Reid or Larkin 2 guys with awesome scoring power.Even Fennelly could be put on him to take him for a run or tour of Croke Park.

If Pauide Maher is to stay full back that could work out quite well. Even though I do not agree he is a full back for Senior Championship hurling he can compete in that danger zone and seems to have regained some confidence from the Limerick and Galway games.Who ever is full back will need the game of their lives.

Kilkenny 6 forwards will need an absolute dire game if Tipp are to win and even at that the KK bench has some forwards who can come on and score too. On Tipps forward bench only Denis Maher looks a threat. Eoin Kelly and Shane Bourke have not seen much action this year.Not too sure bout Niall O Meara yet. A great prospect down the line no doubt.

The match ups will be very interesting. Limerick got them spot on so perhaps EOS should call TJ for advice!!!!

I feel we have a great chance but our backs and midfield need awesome games. We the forwards to win the game in my view and I think they all thrive off playing Kilkenny. If you back yourself against Kilkenny you have won half the battle. No point standing back admiring them.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 02/09/2014 16:28:35    1646987

WildPundit
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I think we have 2 which could be seriously exposed depending where they start.

James Barry and Kieran Bergin are my worries. They are filling the boots of Conor O Mahony & Mickey Cahill in my view.

To win an all - Ireland against Kilkenny without those 2 would be an phenomenal achievement in itself.

If Barry is full back he could get taken to the cleaners.Its hard to know what way our backs will line up the way they have been switching all year.Against Cork we probably rode our luck at times but this is a different kettle of fish.

Fear for Bergin as well could be marking Reid or Larkin 2 guys with awesome scoring power.Even Fennelly could be put on him to take him for a run or tour of Croke Park.

If Pauide Maher is to stay full back that could work out quite well. Even though I do not agree he is a full back for Senior Championship hurling he can compete in that danger zone and seems to have regained some confidence from the Limerick and Galway games.Who ever is full back will need the game of their lives.

Kilkenny 6 forwards will need an absolute dire game if Tipp are to win and even at that the KK bench has some forwards who can come on and score too. On Tipps forward bench only Denis Maher looks a threat. Eoin Kelly and Shane Bourke have not seen much action this year.Not too sure bout Niall O Meara yet. A great prospect down the line no doubt.

The match ups will be very interesting. Limerick got them spot on so perhaps EOS should call TJ for advice!!!!

I feel we have a great chance but our backs and midfield need awesome games. We the forwards to win the game in my view and I think they all thrive off playing Kilkenny. If you back yourself against Kilkenny you have won half the battle. No point standing back admiring them.

WildPundit, I enjoy your analysis usually but have to disagree with the majority of the above. Paudie Maher won't be staying full back because he hasn't played there since the Offaly match. Barry has been excellent at full back but you are right KK may target him. Would have no worries what so ever with Bergin. He is a very solid wing back. Larkin has not had awesome scoring power for a long time. He rarely contributes more that a point or two these days.

I wouldnt be over worried about our backs apart from the type of game Brendan Maher plays at full back.

Sounds biased but from my point of view, Tipp are favourites. Experience and an even team throughout with 6 excellent forwards. Only worry I have is between the posts but KK have the same problem

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 02/09/2014 17:16:51    1647050

I dont agree our management 'got it spot on' When Power came on Wayne McC should have been sent straight on him in the light of what happened between them in 2012

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4340 - 02/09/2014 18:27:24    1647097

David Herity not a particularly renowned shot-stopper in Kilkenny hurling either. Would pick Eoin Murphy if he was available.

Agree here he was also at fault at for goals in 2011 final and 2012 semi. Has an excellent puck out though. Midfield will be intersting, Shane Mc Grath is spooked my M Fennelly, him and Richie Hogan could win this battle easyly. I think we will see a few changes up front from the Cats. 10.C Fennelly to halt P Maher like E Brennan in 2011. 11. TJ. 12.A Fogarty, manic work rate and destroyed Tipp in 2012.
13. Walter 14. R Power, was brillant v Tipp in 2010,2011 and 2012. 15. E larkin, always good for crucials scores.

Personally, Id put Murphy on Callanan and Jackie on Lar with J.J to play the roaming game on Noel Mc Grath. Half back line will be crucial. Buckley is solid but Holden is vunerable. However how many times has an unsong hero popped up AIF day. This is where the game will be won I think.

222 (UK) - Posts: 695 - 02/09/2014 18:42:29    1647106

For me, goalkeeper is Kilkenny's achilees heel. If Seamus Callinan or Bonner Maher get a chance in the the first 5 minutes, I think Tipp might just sneak this. But if Kilkenny can stop them getting goals, I think they will win.

But Kilkenny have subs on the bench who would start on the Tipp team in my opinon. Dont rule out one of Shefflin/Tommy Walsh starting - Cody loves to mix it up!

My overall prediction: Kilkenny 1-20 Tipperary 0-17 in a belter of a match, with a late goal for Kilkenny proving the difference.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 03/09/2014 13:43:13    1647479

KILKENNY: "THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS"
WHO SAYS KILKENNY "DON'T DO TACTICSS", NOT ONLY FOR OPPOSING TEAM BUT FOR REFERRE, UMPIRES ,LINESMENN,MEEJIA AND ANYONE ELSE WHO MAY IN THE W
SIMPLE MESSAGE BELOWTO BARRY KILKENNY IS ,T"HOU SHALT NOT BLOW THE WHISLE AGAINST KILKENNY , IT'S UNETHICAL IN THIS SIMPLE PHYSICAL ,MANLY GAME.


(Headsup: Eddie Brennan will probably be the one wearing trench cot dark glasses and Dick Tracy hat on Sunday in Croke Park)

"The fear I have is Barry Kelly might want to be more important than the players"
03 September 2014


Former Kilkenny star Eddie O'Connor1993 All-Ireland winning Kilkenny captain Eddie O'Connor has expressed serious reservations about Sunday's match referee Barry Kelly.

Kilkenny versus Tipperary is always a physical battle says O'Connor who fears the Westmeath official might grab the headlines for all the wrong reasons.

"When I played Tipp in the 1991 All-Ireland final there was a lot of physical challenges in it," O'Connor said to the Examiner.

"It's a man's game and I hope Barry Kelly has a bit of common sense and leaves the game run. Too often, referees are looking to flash the cards.

"There will be heavy shoulder challenges in it and he has to referee it but I hope he doesn't make a mess of the game. The fear I have is he will make a mess of the game.

"It's not an U10 match we're playing, it's part and parcel of an All-Ireland hurling final. Everyone is going to go out and try and dominate their own part of the field.

"I would expect a savage battle to go on all over the field. If you look at both teams there are huge match-ups and the fear I have is Barry Kelly might want to be more important than the players.

"When that happens it can ruin the game. It's a bit like the football match last Saturday [between Kerry and Mayo] when the referee spoiled the game.

"Let the game flow. If you're not able for the physical challenges then take up golf. If you're not prepared for a physical challenge you shouldn't be playing hurling.

"The good, honest hits are what people want to see. If the GAA don't realise it's a physical game then they should just give up the field in Croke Park and sow spuds on it."

Kelly's decision to send off Henry Shefflin in the quarter-final defeat to Cork last year still rankles with the former teak-tough defender and Cats supporters.

"It was a bit like Patrick Horgan against Limerick last year. It was nothing he [Shefflin] was sent off for and he shouldn't have been sent off. When you send off players for Mickey Mouse things it ruins the game.

"We all understand if you strike with the hurley you've got to go, constant fouling and all this kind of craic.

"I think Brian [Cody] has put that under the bed and under the carpet but a lot of Kilkenny supporters are very, very unhappy with the sending off last year of Henry. They felt Barry Kelly made a big mistake.

"I'm not sure he cost them the game but he certainly ruined the game as a contest. I suppose Kilkenny last year, they were an aging team and the last thing they wanted was to be down a man."

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1360 - 03/09/2014 14:09:42    1647499

Apologies for typos in my previos post. Written in haste at rest stop.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1360 - 03/09/2014 14:39:46    1647524