TheHermit
County: Kerry
Posts: 159

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Who gives an flip what colours Limerick and Offaly play in when they meet, what relevance has a few meeting between in division 4 matches got in the context of Kerry's superb record against Mayo in finals,

What an insulting comment - what gives you the right to denegrate the efforts of Division 4 teams who are putting in as much effort as kerry and deserve our respect, If Kerry want to play in their traditional colours mayo should be given same right - and how would fans and players tell the teams apart---- Kerry won semi finals wearing blue in 1981 1986 and 2011 They lost to Mayo wearing green and gold in 1996, Kerry win games because of their quality and sometimes because they are kerry - they would still win those games even if they wore pink jerseys with lilac polka dot spots. If ye wanna wear green and gold change your jersey to gold with a green hoop

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 26/08/2014 16:35:16    1642406

The hermit. Little bit of history lesson for you. In the drawn final of 96 Meath and mayo wore virtually identical shirts the green and gold of Meath clashed with Mayo green and red , famously tommy dowd fisted a ball to a mayo player thinking it was Evan Kelly, Darren fays first words to Sean after match was it was very difficult to pick out which shirt was Meath around midfield when clearing ball. The next day Meath wore all gold with green trim. The rest as they say is history.
Kery made right decision to change.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/08/2014 17:26:14    1642453

It'll be difficult for the Kerry players to sleep before this game knowing that we have never been beaten in The Gaelic Grounds. A huge psychological advantage.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 26/08/2014 18:06:40    1642511

Agree Janesboro

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 26/08/2014 19:23:19    1642593

Greeneandred
Don't think we've ever been beat there either :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/08/2014 19:43:39    1642608

janesboro and Royaldunne, you have completely missed the point of my argument. Why would I disrespect Limerick or Offaly players and their efforts, you are discussing something between both counties that has no relevance to my point.


My point was simply that their is no real tradition or history between those two counties at championship level, in big matches like semi finals and finals. Ergo what difference is it to them what colour they play in, it isn't a factor psychology wise. Kerry have inflicted several crushing defeats on Mayo in very recent times, those scars are still present by what I saw for first 35 mintues and final 5-6 on Sunday. Deny it all ye want, Mayo fear us and we need to make it count and finish the job on Saturday.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/08/2014 20:43:20    1642654

Dear TheHermit,
Firstly, if you go back and read my initial post and also read the post by 'janesboro', you will see that my comment, in reference to the colours that Offaly & Limerick adopt when playing one another, is a reply to 'janesboro' and nothing to do with you. I do, however, concur with a later post suggesting that your comment is extremely insulting to both counties. Just so you realise, Offaly & Limerick have also played in the National Hurling League this year too, where the alternative jerseys were also worn. So you can get down off your Divison 1 football high-horse and treat every county with the level of respect that you would like afforded to your own county.

You'll surely be able to appreciate that no county, above any other, has a God-given right to do something as trivial as wear their 'preferred' colours whenever they so please.
Do you agree that teams should have to adopt a change of jersey or not in a situation where the primary colours of each clash, thereby making it difficult for players, officials and spectators to differentiate between the teams in a split-second decision?
Do you know why Kerry wear blue as their alternative jerseys?
Janesboro addressed each of your points in his/her previous post in a factual and comprehensive manner, or maybe you haven't bothered to read it yet. You make the point of mentioning the New Zealand rugby team and their famous colours. So, in your own words (sort of), "Who gives an flip what colours New Zealand wear when they play, what relevance has a few meetings between countries in another sport got in the context of Kerry's superb record against Mayo in finals", or something to that extent. Anyway, New Zealand aren't forced to change their jersey very often, largely due to the fact that they don't clash with many other countries, but they have donned an alternative jersey on many occasions if you actually checked. Green just happens to be the most widely used primary jersey colour in GAA (as far as I can tell) hence why teams need to make a change in situations where they meet each other.

Now, seeing as I have elaborated (as requested) on what I was taking exception to, I'll see if I can answer any of the other questions that you seem to have aimed at me.
I never attempted to argue that a sport such as Gaelic Football is not influence by anything other than relative strengths and skills of opposing teams or that psychology has nothing to do with it. Not once, did I refer to anything of the sort, so you can clear that notion from your head, good lad.

"If you don't think that in the back of Mayo players minds there isn't a little communal sense of fear of Kerry and all they represent (which I believe was again in evidence by their very tentative play in the first half) than I don't think you have much understanding of the dynamics of this tie. " Now in response to this rubbish in quotation marks (disguised as intelligent insight), there's not much I can say really other than your notion that I don't understand the dynamics of life based on your reading of my previous post is an utterly crazy suggestion. I genuinely don't know how you could take that from what I wrote, but then again, I've no idea how your mind works.

OffalyBigBall (Offaly) - Posts: 625 - 27/08/2014 09:12:20    1642760

Dear OffalyBigBall,

Its obvious you also have completely missed the point of any argument I was making. How is saying that what colours Offaly and Limerick play with when is irrelevant to my suggestion (that Mayo still exhibit a mental weakness when they are playing Kerry) insulting to those counties and their players? People's sense of indignation on this site about any little thing is ridiculous in my opinion. No wonder most of our media in general has been reduced to sensationalist gutter trash, they are only shovelling out what some people actually want in this country if you ask me.


I don't agree that Mayo and Kerry necessarily colour clash, we played each other in our traditional colours in 2004/2005/2006 because Mayo requested to play in their red and green, a few of you could do a little research before you post the first thing that comes into your heads.


I was using NZ as an example, because of the aura around their famous All Black jersey's. How many times in recent years have Ireland been the better team on the day against them and still failed to beat them, I can think of at least 3. I believe that this failure is down to the psychological edge NZ enjoy over us in rugby, reinforced with their famous jersey and all its connotations with their tradition and record over us. As I stated there is a reason why France in previous world cups have insisted on them playing in their alternative strip and always make the point of referring to them as New Zealand and not 'The All Blacks', its their way of trying to lessen the mental impact of facing the giants of rugby and sometimes it works, famously in 2007.

My point is the Kerry jersey has similar connotations, just because you don't see that or don't want to see that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Again I will state that I think Mayo's performance for the opening 35 minutes and the final 6-7 minutes showed all the characteristics of them being afraid of Kerry, something I think is due to collective impact of us having such a good championship record against them in last twenty years. You don't seem to agree with me, but to call a valid opinion expressed by a poster 'rubbish' is disrespectful.

Finally, and if you bother to read posts in full you would have seen this, I said you didn't understand 'the dynamics of this tie' not 'the dynamics of life'.

You're not a journalist for the Indo in another life by any chance?? ;)

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 27/08/2014 10:46:54    1642830

"Its obvious you also have completely missed the point of any argument I was making."
I haven't missed your point at all, I am just refusing to address it. I didn't address it in my original post, nor had I intended addressing it at any stage. It was you who raised the issue back at me. If you read the response from janesboro you would see that in the last line they mentioned the Offaly/Limerick colour situation. My comment basically just echoed their sentiments on your post and I then went on to explain my own take on the Offaly/Limerick colour clash.

"I don't agree that Mayo and Kerry necessarily colour clash, we played each other in our traditional colours in 2004/2005/2006 because Mayo requested to play in their red and green, you could do a little research before you post the first thing that comes into your heads."
Ok, this is a matter of opinion. But, I would be of the opposite opinion, and I also think that the large majority of people would agree with me on this matter. Two teams with predominantly green coloured jerseys and white shorts do clash, as far as I'm concerned. In terms of research on Mayo's choice of colours, I'll admit that I know nothing about their request to play in their red & green. I'm actually curious now as to who else knew that this was the case also.

"I was using NZ as an example, because of the aura around their famous All Black jersey's."
I am a firm believer in sports psychology, but that discussion is for another day. I'm not denying that the All-Blacks have a certain aura about them, the jersey being one of several reasons why this is the case.

"My point is the Kerry jersey has similar connotations, just because you don't see that or don't want to see that doesn't mean I'm wrong."
Personally, I don't feel that the Kerry jersey instils any such additional fear in an opposition team. But again, this is purely a matter of opinion. Just because you write it on a forum doesn't make it right either. Do Kerry fear playing the red & black of Down? They certainly don't fear playing the red & white of Cork. Has the jersey got anything to do with it?.......

"I think Mayo's performance for the opening 35 minutes and the final 6-7 minutes showed all the characteristics of them being afraid of Kerry, something I think is due to collective impact of us having such a good championship record against them in last twenty years. You don't seem to agree with me, but to call a valid opinion expressed by a poster 'rubbish' is disrespectful."Perhaps it is disrespectful, and for that I apologise. I would argue that the last 6 or 7 minutes was a case of Mayo being afraid of losing the game after having salvaged it not long before. Do you genuinely believe it was their fear of Kerry and their history that stopped them from killing the game off? The first 35 minutes display could be down to a multitude of things. Fear of Kerry, on the day, yes. But Mayo would have shown the same fear to any opposition last Sunday. It was an All-Ireland semi-final after all.

Finally, and if you bother to read posts in full you would have seen this, I said you didn't understand 'the dynamics of this tie' not 'the dynamics of life'.
Admittedly, this may have been misread. But by substituting 'this tie' for 'life', I still think my point is valid.

You're not a journalist for the Indo in another life by any chance?? ;)
No, not in this life, or any other one that I'm currently aware of.

OffalyBigBall (Offaly) - Posts: 625 - 27/08/2014 13:25:36    1642939

Good man Bigball, we've both had our say so, if we all agreed with each other life and sport would be fierce boring...

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 27/08/2014 13:34:20    1642945

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GuodaBond (Limerick) - Posts: 3 - 27/08/2014 16:32:18    1643099

I thought in the old days when there was a colour clash it was automatic that the counties wore provinical colours. In 1981 Semi-final I think Kerry wore Munster blue versus Mayo's Connacht white.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 27/08/2014 16:33:58    1643101

Ya that was always the way, some teams have since moved on from that and have their own unique second strip colours, but Kerry itself always maintained a Munster blue (sometimes navy) alternative strip.

As regards what I mentioned about 2004-2006 meetings, the whole issue of Kerry wearing blue was discussed a little bit on Terrace Talk and then again on the Kerry today programme on Monday night and Tuesday morning on Radio Kerry. During the Terrace talk show it was stated Mayo requested to keep their colours for those games and on the Kerry today programme when the issue was raised, the Kerry PRO confirmed at the time that was indeed the case.

Only a small edge, but as I maintain the Kerry jersey has an aura about it esp against certain counties and if there is a precedent for having both sides play in their traditional colours, the CB could look into requesting it again this Saturday.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 27/08/2014 16:52:13    1643115

Mayo by 4. 11/1 Mayo to win by 7 points in bookies.

Brinsley Swartz (Mayo) - Posts: 2225 - 27/08/2014 17:18:14    1643132

I have a proposal lads that I want to put out there for discussion. I think that this year's All Ireland Final, in the unlikely event that it's between Mayo and Donegal, should be held in Hyde Park Roscommon Monday three weeks, at 9 o'clock in the evening. Now before you all speak at once let me anticipate some of your many questions.
Q1. Is not Roscommon in Connacht and won't that give Mayo an advantage?
A1. Donegal have played there in the league back in 1949, and haven't Mayo lost there on several occasions, so no advantage to Mayo. Also Bundoran is only 50 miles farther from Roscommon than Blacksod in Belmullet.
Q2. Monday evening 9pm?
A2. Well the final will only be televised on Sky and all the cows will be milked at that stage, allowing supporters to flock to pubs and villages all over the country bringing in much needed revenue to these establishments. Also kids will have school the following morning so there will be less demand for tickets.
Q3. But Hyde Park only holds about 30,000!
A3. Yes, but historically Monday night football attracts smaller crowds and teams who regularly get to finals have smaller support; so we estimate a request of 5000 tickets from Donegal and Mayo.
Q4. But what about bottlenecks, accommodation, clampers etc?
A4. If the supporters leave around 10 in the morning they'll get there in plenty of time and as Knock is fairly quiet after the 15th of August there will be no shortage of B&B's. There is plenty of parking in Ballyhaunis, Ballinlough, Castlera, Ballymoe etc and the clampers might not be out at that time of night.
Q5. What about the minor final?
A5. No problem as this can be played at a neutral venue such as Kenmare or Parnell Park if it's a Dublin / Kerry final.
Q6. Will this not be a PR disaster for the GAA?
A6. Not at all. Spin-doctors can come out and explain that the decision was made 18 months previous so it has to be right, tell us of their new found desire to support the rural economy and roll out former players, GAA presidents and county board chair persons who will tell you they would gladly play in a field of rushes as long as it was the All Ireland.
Q7. But what about the players, won't they want to play in Croke Park?
A7. The players?! Sure what has it got to do with them?
Q8. But why not just play the damn thing in Croke Park?
A8. This is a contingency plan in case there is a rule change in American Football regarding replays and Croke Park might be tied up until Christmas.
Now I know some of you are sending for the men in white coats but let me ask you this. If I had said to you less than a decade ago that an AI semi final would be played in Limerick because a Colleges American Football match was being played in Croke Park... Would you have believed me? Be Afraid be very Afraid!!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 28/08/2014 11:25:13    1643358

This isn't going to help the situation on Saturday!

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CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 28/08/2014 11:43:48    1643372

CroiGorm
County: Dublin
Posts: 4

This isn't going to help the situation on Saturday!

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An absolute classic... ha ha.... ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3738 - 28/08/2014 11:55:43    1643382

Llaw_Gyffes
County: Mayo
Posts: 2.
If Croke Park is not available for the AI football final, then it will be played in Thurles. Thurles is pretty neutral for both Dublin and Kerry.

Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 28/08/2014 11:59:18    1643388

great stuff that the Pride Parade heaps more mockery on this abomination of a decision to take the semi final out of croke pk...

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 28/08/2014 12:26:06    1643412

Clubgaa
"If Croke Park is not available for the AI football final, then it will be played in Thurles. Thurles is pretty neutral for both Dublin and Kerry."

You are probably correct on your final pairing however I thought I covered that when I said in the "unlikely event".So Thurles is the second contingency plan then but can I point out that Casement Park is also "neutral"

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 28/08/2014 12:42:46    1643429